Technoincubus Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 New Wheezewort became one of the most useless items in the game. I can't see any reason or motivatiob to use them anymore. They are worthless Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108334-new-wheezewort/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasza22 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Already discussed quite a bit. Seems to not be as bad of a change as you claim. It`s just no longer a "set and forget" feature. Efficiency is pretty much the same. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108334-new-wheezewort/#findComment-1218670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamLogan Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 You need to see the new content in a global view and not draw conclusions. You feel that because you keep your old logic, but with the new patch you will have to think different or you will never go more far than the first asteroid. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108334-new-wheezewort/#findComment-1218671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Promethien Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 To add a bit to my quoted post (appreciated mate). I know people like their wheezewort rooms to be sealed but its unnecessary. I put a door into them from below and it all works out. Unless you screw up your air pressure the hydrogen will stay in the room when dupes visit. If you are sweating "but the dupe will bring heat in!" so what? That just means that bit of heat gets eaten by the worts directly instead of through contact with the pipe/vent you are running through the wort room. Which by the by, is why the tiny amount of heat in the phosphorite doesn't matter. Because the phos would be releasing that heat into your base from storage, which is heat that you would eventually be cooling anyways. In the end worts have been given a tiny bit more micromanagement and still work just fine. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108334-new-wheezewort/#findComment-1218687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kangaax Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 The biggest change for me is the 20kg/cycle/wort requirement which means that the wheezes are an enforced midgame cooling method until you can get a steam turbine + aquatuner setup, because lategame cooling would require an absurdly large drecko farm. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108334-new-wheezewort/#findComment-1218697 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yunru Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Nothing's stopin you from having the wheezes wild, it just takes 4x as long to cool something. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108334-new-wheezewort/#findComment-1218699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZ96 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 You can also use auto sweeper to feed them with fertilizer Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108334-new-wheezewort/#findComment-1218705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
natanstarke Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Know your feeling i dont touch them anymore. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108334-new-wheezewort/#findComment-1218721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittenIsAGeek Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 3 hours ago, Technoincubus said: New Wheezewort became one of the most useless items in the game. I can't see any reason or motivatiob to use them anymore. They are worthless They're not worthless. The amount of phosphorus they use is so minimal that you shouldn't ever have a problem finding some. Also, because farm plots are made with dirt, which is a good temperature buffer, it doesn't matter how hot the phosphorus is, it won't change the ambient temperature noticeably. Other than having to be able to deliver phosphorus, they work pretty much just like they used to. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108334-new-wheezewort/#findComment-1218743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technoincubus Posted July 4, 2019 Author Share Posted July 4, 2019 9 hours ago, SamLogan said: You need to see the new content in a global view and not draw conclusions. You feel that because you keep your old logic, but with the new patch you will have to think different or you will never go more far than the first asteroid. But I already found new solutions and new ways to cool things down for my old setups. It's just that I can't see any application for wheezeworts in my CURRENT setups. Even putting auto-wrangler is not worth the effort. It is easier to make addition to thermo-nullifier than to bother with wheezewrts now. To clarify, I am not complaining about my old build relying on wheezeworts becoming obsolete, I complain about Wheezeworts being worthless in latest build. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108334-new-wheezewort/#findComment-1218863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittenIsAGeek Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 33 minutes ago, Technoincubus said: To clarify, I am not complaining about my old build relying on wheezeworts becoming obsolete, I complain about Wheezeworts being worthless in latest build. I disagree. I'm using wheezewarts in two of the maps I've started with different worlds in the testing build. Are there better solutions? Certainly. But in both cases the WW were convenient, didn't require research, and didn't require a building project. I just dropped a couple planter boxes, planted the seeds, and solved my problem. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108334-new-wheezewort/#findComment-1218866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafker Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 There was a post in the forum saying that wheezeworts are bugged - they keep 25% efficiency even while being domesticated, also not sure what they absorb - it always says vacuum And honestly, its not hard to provide phosporite - 2-3 dreckos enough to generate it Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108334-new-wheezewort/#findComment-1218867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Promethien Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 21 minutes ago, KittenIsAGeek said: I disagree. I'm using wheezewarts in two of the maps I've started with different worlds in the testing build. Are there better solutions? Certainly. But in both cases the WW were convenient, didn't require research, and didn't require a building project. I just dropped a couple planter boxes, planted the seeds, and solved my problem. Silence heretic! The Order of the Panic Over Wheezewort Change has deemed the situation unsalvageable. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108334-new-wheezewort/#findComment-1218872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xuhybrid Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 2 hours ago, rafker said: There was a post in the forum saying that wheezeworts are bugged - they keep 25% efficiency even while being domesticated, also not sure what they absorb - it always says vacuum And honestly, its not hard to provide phosporite - 2-3 dreckos enough to generate it Maps that don't have Dreckos? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108334-new-wheezewort/#findComment-1218903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angpaur Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 23 minutes ago, Xuhybrid said: Maps that don't have Dreckos? Then you pray that a printing pod offers you a one or some egss Perhaps a ritual dupe sacrifice is in order? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108334-new-wheezewort/#findComment-1218910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nivodeus Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Xuhybrid said: Maps that don't have Dreckos? Doesnt Dreco spawn in almost any biome included in the map, and they have quite the temp tolerance as well? If not maybe ice maker first and wild WW until you somehow found one or get one from pod. I am sure you will find one in any of the asteroid. I havent explored all the new asteroid, but I do believe Drecko has versatile living environment. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108334-new-wheezewort/#findComment-1218918 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Mandor Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, nivodeus said: Doesnt Dreco spawn in almost any biome included in the map, and they have quite the temp tolerance as well? If not maybe ice maker first and wild WW until you somehow found one or get one from pod. I am sure you will find one in any of the asteroid. I havent explored all the new asteroid, but I do believe Drecko has versatile living environment. They die quickly in cold. So quickly, I cannot dig to them fast enough to save :))) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108334-new-wheezewort/#findComment-1218921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yunru Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 I'd like to restate that (size aside) there is no difference between 4 wild wheezeworts now and 1 wheezeworts then. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108334-new-wheezewort/#findComment-1218949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
metallichydra Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 they're wort it Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108334-new-wheezewort/#findComment-1219029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittenIsAGeek Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 5 hours ago, nivodeus said: Doesnt Dreco spawn in almost any biome included in the map, and they have quite the temp tolerance as well? If not maybe ice maker first and wild WW until you somehow found one or get one from pod. I am sure you will find one in any of the asteroid. I havent explored all the new asteroid, but I do believe Drecko has versatile living environment. The wild dreckos I found in Rime tended to die from the cold. .. but, that said.. I'm not using any wheezewarts in Rime because everything is already too cold. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108334-new-wheezewort/#findComment-1219109 Share on other sites More sharing options...
akrabat14 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 How much has Wheezewort weakened? They have become much less effective than before. They should now feed with phosphorus. P.S By the 198 cycle, opening the entire map, I found only 7 of them. "Excellent patch" which I waited 3 months. My entire base literally overheated, that the plants stopped growing and my duplicates began to die of starvation. Thank you Klei Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108334-new-wheezewort/#findComment-1227024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nakomaru Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, akrabat14 said: How much has Wheezewort weakened? They have become much less effective than before. They should now feed with phosphorus. Per my testing in hydrogen they provide 1333W of cooling whether domesticated or wild. Previously they provided 12000W (9x). Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108334-new-wheezewort/#findComment-1227025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junksteel Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 2 hours ago, nakomaru said: Per my testing in hydrogen they provide 1333W of cooling whether domesticated or wild. Previously they provided 12000W (9x). I'm planting them wild in my current base. These numbers made my eyes bleed. Ignorance can be a bless. Now I want to uproot them all. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108334-new-wheezewort/#findComment-1227076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
natanstarke Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 A disable delivery for planter boxes farm tiles etc would be nice for ppl that would plant them but never give phosporite and let the plant work at 25% there or just let it be into flower pots again but if into the pot they cant have full potential. The best solution would bring them back to their glory but if its not possible i will just use them modded. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108334-new-wheezewort/#findComment-1227149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittenIsAGeek Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Hmm. I'll have to test more. Mine seem to be working just fine. The domesticated ones appear to be working like the old wheezewart. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108334-new-wheezewort/#findComment-1227155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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