Mirthandir Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 So I've already shared this theory with my other DS/T friends, but has anyone else noticed the uncanny amount of similarities and... coincidences between Webber and Wilson? Does anyone else find it convenient that Webber's father just so happened to be a gentlemanly, bearded scientist? Why would Wilson have such a weird, seemingly random tendency towards parental behaviors? (Bonus points to his Very Specific fixation on babies) I wonder what sorts of things a father might say if, for all he knew, his only child had been lost or killed, never to be seen again, on account of being spirited away from home? Oh. Well, if there was no body to be found, they'd never have gotten a proper funeral, would they? Let's move on. Ever notice how they share a disproportionate amount of similar examination quotes? To the point where some of them are almost verbatim? There's a lot. A looooooot. And sure, you can argue that I'm reaching for some of these, but a lot of them are almost impossible to tell apart without either knowing them on your own, or without Webber using plural pronouns for themselves. Moving along, though, Webber and Wilson both seem pretty nostalgic about the farm houses. Looks a little familiar, I'd say. Worth noting that Wilson has a Literal Headstone in front of his house. Sure, it looks a little rickety and handmade, but what do you even grieve to when your son's body was never found? Then there's this: Which kinda speaks for itself. Then there's a few final similarities. I mean it sounds funny but they both grow beards. They're both arguably the easiest characters to unlock in their respective games, with Wilson being the default character in the vanilla game and Webber being significantly easier than Wigfrid to unlock, unless you've already got a lot of EXP. I mean, sure, Wilson never explicitly makes it known nor clear that he used to be a father, that's true enough. But why would he be the only one to recognize Webber's skull as a child's? Would you want to regularly talk about the loss of your only child? And hey, it took SEVEN YEARS for Wendy to be confirmed as Maxwell's niece, about anything's possible. And it would at least partially explain why Wilson was such an asocial hermit living in a shack in the woods who became desperate enough to listen to a talking radio. One last thing to point out is that every other person who has canonically been on the Nightmare Throne has had at least one family member in the Constant. Maxwell/Wendy, Charlie/Winona. Just all very convenient. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/119295-the-uncanny-amount-of-coincidences-between-webber-and-wilson/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hornete Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Just now, Mirthandir said: Obviously, Webber's father is Warly, I mean just look at his goatee! He's probably growin steel wool /s Anyhow this is a really nice theory, there is quite a lot of quotes that could indicate this, I don't personally believe in it but it's clear you put a lotta effort into this, Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/119295-the-uncanny-amount-of-coincidences-between-webber-and-wilson/#findComment-1345741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaymime Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 certainly it is a lot of work to plumb for similarities but given the time a lot of well-off children would have similar thoughts about their fathers and seeing as every third person in the constant is of the sciencing type(and another third knew someone who was) it seems that that isn't exactly a rare interest Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/119295-the-uncanny-amount-of-coincidences-between-webber-and-wilson/#findComment-1345747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowDuelist Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Theory #1 the Optimistic: If it is WIlson's lost son, it would also work that they don't recognize eachother as such: Webber was changed to be a monster (and most likely died in the constant too, as shown in DS). He may have a fuzzy memory of some things. Wilson is finding a tiny monsterchild, and would probably not recognize it as his son at first glance so long as Webber doesn't mention things that lead him to notice. Theory #2, the pessimistic: Both characters were created by Klei in a short frame of time and they didn't give much thought to Webber quotes, so they just adapted Wilson's quotes, to be slightly different. I hate this theory honestly, and I hope both characters are related.  Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/119295-the-uncanny-amount-of-coincidences-between-webber-and-wilson/#findComment-1345750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirthandir Posted June 19, 2020 Author Share Posted June 19, 2020 19 minutes ago, gaymime said: seeing as every third person in the constant is of the sciencing type(and another third knew someone who was) it seems that that isn't exactly a rare interest True, but keep in mind the vast majority of these quotes existed before Winona and Wagstaff were even a wisp of thought in Kevin Forbes' head. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/119295-the-uncanny-amount-of-coincidences-between-webber-and-wilson/#findComment-1345752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaymime Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 that is fair too! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/119295-the-uncanny-amount-of-coincidences-between-webber-and-wilson/#findComment-1345753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
noeticmoose Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 While I never considered Webber to be Wilson's long lost son per se [given Webber's quote for the meat effigy in DS: 'Who is that?'], I've had a headcanon of Wilson acting as a stand-in father for him, and mostly for the reasons you mentioned in your post. I'd love an image of Wilson teaching Webber to shave. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/119295-the-uncanny-amount-of-coincidences-between-webber-and-wilson/#findComment-1345763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primalflower Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 -Webber examining the Meat Effigy, pre DST Though that bit about the headstone being at wilson's house + wilson's webber skull quote got me thinking, I kind of very much doubt wilson & webber share any blood, i mean look at wilson. Pretty sure the portal maxwell instructed wilson to create required the blood of a virgin. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/119295-the-uncanny-amount-of-coincidences-between-webber-and-wilson/#findComment-1345767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirthandir Posted June 20, 2020 Author Share Posted June 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, Lbphero said: -Webber examining the Meat Effigy, pre DST Â 38 minutes ago, noeticmoose said: While I never considered Webber to be Wilson's long lost son per se [given Webber's quote for the meat effigy in DS: 'Who is that?'] I mean, it's a wood carving that really only details Wilson's wild hair. And it's not like Wendy ever gave any indication of her relation to Maxwell other than "feeling a strange kinship with him". Plus there's a not insignificant implication that being fused with a spider screwed with Webber's mental health, which could easily translate to memory problems. Or you could reason that it's the spider asking the child, not the other way around. There are definitely a few existing quotes where it seems like the spider is the one speaking, rather than the child half. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/119295-the-uncanny-amount-of-coincidences-between-webber-and-wilson/#findComment-1345769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primalflower Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, Mirthandir said:  I mean, it's a wood carving that really only details Wilson's wild hair. Plus there's a not insignificant implication that being fused with a spider screwed with Webber's mental health, which could easily translate to memory problems. Or you could reason that it's the spider asking the child, not the other way around. There are definitely a few existing quotes where it seems like the spider is the one speaking, rather than the child half. I'd say the meat effigy is very clearly wilson shaped, who else in the world has that cool of a hairdo? Though the idea of the spider talking for that quote is a strong one. Consider me very intrigued, I think I can almost believe in this theory again with that idea. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/119295-the-uncanny-amount-of-coincidences-between-webber-and-wilson/#findComment-1345772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owlrust Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Perhaps that's why Wilson was trying to experiment so much in "Forbidden Knowledge", he lost his son and was trying to get him back; Maxwell took advantage of this fact and pulled him in. Since then, Wilson has been put into a state of acceptance that he may never see his child again, and is trying to survive to do so. Since Webber has become half-spider, he would have become nearly unrecognizable to Wilson in any way; thus barring a reunion. As for why Webber doesn't recognize Wilson, I'm not sure; mainly because his quotes are quite adamant about his recollection of his father, so it stands to reason that he should be able to recognize Wilson. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/119295-the-uncanny-amount-of-coincidences-between-webber-and-wilson/#findComment-1345780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirthandir Posted June 20, 2020 Author Share Posted June 20, 2020 11 minutes ago, Owlrus98 said: As for why Webber doesn't recognize Wilson, I'm not sure; mainly because his quotes are quite adamant about his recollection of his father, so it stands to reason that he should be able to recognize Wilson. Maybe Webber and their spider half have some kind of agreement to be more neutral towards Wilson? I mean, Wendy never directly calls Maxwell "Uncle Max" or anything. Then again, I get that it's weirder if they're a parent or whatever. I'd just like to say, for the record; most of this thread is my own speculation and research, yes, but a tiny tiny smidge of it is to possibly plant the idea in the devs' heads on the chance that I'm just a conspiracy nut :P Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/119295-the-uncanny-amount-of-coincidences-between-webber-and-wilson/#findComment-1345783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CameoAppearance Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 I'm eh on whether the admittedly extensive similarities mean they had anything to do with each other pre-Constant, but I have to respect the work you put into collecting them. This looks like it took a while. Aside from Webber either not recognising Wilson or not acknowledging the connection (Wilson not recognising Webber makes sense, with the distorted voice and exoskeleton covering up his human half's features), there's one other thing that throws a wrench into this for me: Webber talks about both his father and his mother, but while Wilson's fatherly tendencies are established, like most of the survivors he shows no indication of his romantic tastes or history. In order for the two characters' backstories to match up Wilson can't have been a single father, but adding a failed marriage or dead spouse makes it an even bigger chunk of his life to have been completely left out of the backstory we've seen. It's not impossible to explain this, maybe he just doesn't want to think about the subject, but I do think it makes this scenario less likely. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/119295-the-uncanny-amount-of-coincidences-between-webber-and-wilson/#findComment-1345816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theukon-dos Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 You have a lot of quotes to support it, I'll give you that much. As for the theory itself, I feel the main issue with it is that it requires Wilson to have a family. and Given his personality, I don't see him particularly interested in a relationship.  I could be wrong though, so we'll see what happens  Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/119295-the-uncanny-amount-of-coincidences-between-webber-and-wilson/#findComment-1345820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirthandir Posted June 20, 2020 Author Share Posted June 20, 2020 1 hour ago, CameoAppearance said: Aside from Webber either not recognising Wilson or not acknowledging the connection (Wilson not recognising Webber makes sense, with the distorted voice and exoskeleton covering up his human half's features), there's one other thing that throws a wrench into this for me: Webber talks about both his father and his mother, but while Wilson's fatherly tendencies are established, like most of the survivors he shows no indication of his romantic tastes or history. In order for the two characters' backstories to match up Wilson can't have been a single father, but adding a failed marriage or dead spouse makes it an even bigger chunk of his life to have been completely left out of the backstory we've seen. It's not impossible to explain this, maybe he just doesn't want to think about the subject, but I do think it makes this scenario less likely. Just saying, I don't think an ex wife and a dead kid is exactly a subject a quiet man in his 30's would want to regularly bring up. Especially when either A) an omnipotent, omnipresent shadow demon is watching your every move, or B) your company is mostly strangers who don't necessarily need you to unload your personal baggage onto them. If you really want to use that logic, when has Maxwell ever brought up his brother? Jack isn't even dead or on bad terms as far as we know, they just hadn't seen each other in a few years by the time William arrived in America. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/119295-the-uncanny-amount-of-coincidences-between-webber-and-wilson/#findComment-1345824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixil Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/119295-the-uncanny-amount-of-coincidences-between-webber-and-wilson/#findComment-1345829 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pecknxck Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 IM NOT THE ONLY ONE!! I've been peddling this theory for years and im Very Glad to see I'm not the only one seeing how much it matches up!! now. if only we could get a webber short.... please... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/119295-the-uncanny-amount-of-coincidences-between-webber-and-wilson/#findComment-1345845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Szczuku Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 The true question is who'd want to have Wilson's child? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/119295-the-uncanny-amount-of-coincidences-between-webber-and-wilson/#findComment-1345850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minespatch Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 27 minutes ago, Szczuku said: The true question is who'd want to have Wilson's child? You'd be surprised by all the fanfics. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/119295-the-uncanny-amount-of-coincidences-between-webber-and-wilson/#findComment-1345853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karitha Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Oh god! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/119295-the-uncanny-amount-of-coincidences-between-webber-and-wilson/#findComment-1345869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Szczuku Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Well I mean... it's a cool theory but why wouldn't Webber recognize his father? He clearly doesn't have any memory problems Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/119295-the-uncanny-amount-of-coincidences-between-webber-and-wilson/#findComment-1345874 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MondayNight Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 I believe people tend to see too much into too little stemming from their "all is connected" desire - regarding everything. Even after reading all those quotes I myself don't see any strong connection between Wilson and Webber beyond flimsy circumstantial and quite debatable aspects. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/119295-the-uncanny-amount-of-coincidences-between-webber-and-wilson/#findComment-1345875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ModsterMash Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 I love theories like this and finding connections between characters, there are a lot more details here that I never put together! And I am a sucker for fatherly Wilson. But, I want to bring up some missing info that pretty much kills it for me. Webber's quotes also establishes that his father kept goats and taught him how to raise them: Quote  Volt Goat- "My father kept goats." Ewelet- "Father taught me how to take care of goats!"  And Wilson has never mentioned owning a goat, or being the outdoorsy type at all. Warly is the only character I can think of that has admitted to owning a goat with his Volt Goat quote: "I had a goat once."  Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/119295-the-uncanny-amount-of-coincidences-between-webber-and-wilson/#findComment-1345889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirthandir Posted June 20, 2020 Author Share Posted June 20, 2020 47 minutes ago, ModsterMash said: Quote  And Wilson has never mentioned owning a goat, or being the outdoorsy type at all. Warly is the only character I can think of that has admitted to owning a goat with his Volt Goat quote: "I had a goat once." I mean, Maxwell never eluded to owning (or being loaned) rabbits either. His only real quote even faintly eluding to it is his quote for Bunnymen ("Reminds me of my old act.") 3 hours ago, Szczuku said: Well I mean... it's a cool theory but why wouldn't Webber recognize his father? He clearly doesn't have any memory problems What makes that "clear" exactly? The fact that they... still remember some things? A person with memory problems can be fine in some aspects and weak in others. There are plenty of people in the real world who otherwise seem fine, but have difficulty remembering faces, or difficulty recalling people's names, etc. By that same logic, why wouldn't Wendy recognize her uncle? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/119295-the-uncanny-amount-of-coincidences-between-webber-and-wilson/#findComment-1345894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brago-sama Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Wilson would be the cool dad who brings you to Chuck e cheeses and uses his inventions to win a bunch of tickets for you and your friends, all while killing you inside with all his dad jokes Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/119295-the-uncanny-amount-of-coincidences-between-webber-and-wilson/#findComment-1345896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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