Someone is connecting the dots

[FreyaMaluk]

1 hour ago, ModsterMash said:

There are clues to Winona being the one connecting the dots. First off, she would be the most likely one to have the family photo and Charlie's letter (though certainly anyone close to Winona investigating her disappearance could plausibly get a hold of these things).

There is also the description of Winona's Industrious Head skin: "When all signs pointed towards the Voxola Radio Company, Winona knew what she had to do."

This goes along with the "Gain Access To Voxola" note on the Pepe Sylvia board:

The description for the Work Uniform says she had a "short-lived stint" working at Voxola, so she wasn't there long. It makes sense if she was only getting a job there to investigate.

One thing I don't get if Winona is the one doing the research on her own is why does she have an office at the factory, specially in the room where the machine was built?

My theory is that Winona kinda asked for Wagstaff's help to look for her sister. He and Winona were working together to get Charlie, but Wagstaff got trapped as we saw in the video. 

Another question I have is... 

Why is Wagstaff showing up in Hamlet when he was sucked into the constant? 

I think this fact confirms my idea that despite popular believe, DS and DST might be somehow connected lorewise. 

And.. If the machine is broken after the voxola fire. How did the others ended up in dst? 

[BushmannGG1392]

[CaptainChaotica]

Okay, first few seconds of this animation and a LOT of stuff is finally outright said/confirmed:

--Yes, Wendy and Abigail ARE, indeed, Maxwell's nieces.  The Wendyflower is connected to pictures of Maxwell, so...  Not that there was much doubt, but nothing in the lore had _actually said it_ until now.

--Winona knew Woodie before all the Constant stuff happened.  And since that family portrait only showed the two daughters, not any other siblings, that means Winona definitely _is_ the "my sister up in B.C." Charlie mentions in one letter, so Winona lived in Canada for a while and that would be how she met Woodie.

--We see WX's kind of...exploded view? before he's fully put together.  I am totally anti Wagstaff BEING WX, by the way.  I think of WX as an actual robot, not someone in a suit.  (While we're at it, Sans is totally a skeleton and not a kid in a costume!  Fight me.)

It's just...I dunno.  I can't remember all the details now, but that corkboard to me was--while still being mysterious and bringing in _new_ questions--a great big fat "YES, FANS, YOU WERE RIGHT".  Just confirm confirm confirm, one second to the next.  Aaaah. 

And then there's the co-worker who pushed Winona out of the way and was _devastated_ when she (unsurprisingly) thought she was dead.  Best friend?  Girlfriend?  Let the shipping commence!  (Only halfway serious, but hey, why not?)

We now know exactly when and how Winona got to the Constant:  Pulled directly in by Charlie herself.

Who was that with the yellow gloves?  Wagstaff?  Whoever they were they were probably working with electrical equipment, with protective gloves like that.  (They remind me of Megavolt's yellow rubber gloves from "Darkwing Duck", although in that case it's more to keep HIM from zapping OTHERS constantly.)

With that quick-fixing/inventing scene, Winona has now graduated to the level of Starfleet Chief Engineer.  First thing I thought of for some reason was O'Brien from DS9 (who often has to make do with supbar and makeshift materials when fixing something).  Heh.

...Notorious

[user1464576869]

Is this, presumably joke/filler, in the corner talking about aliens being real?

[TemporaryMan]

22 minutes ago, CaptainChaotica said:

And then there's the co-worker who pushed Winona out of the way and was _devastated_ when she (unsurprisingly) thought she was dead.  Best friend?  Girlfriend?  Let the shipping commence!  (Only halfway serious, but hey, why not?)

I normally don't ship anything unless it's cargo with other cargo.

 

But...

 

[TurtleKitty]

34 minutes ago, CaptainChaotica said:

nd then there's the co-worker who pushed Winona out of the way and was _devastated_ when she (unsurprisingly) thought she was dead.  Best friend?  Girlfriend?  Let the shipping commence!  (Only halfway serious, but hey, why not?)

I think Genevieve might be a child laborer, which was common practice back then to cut wage cost. 

[CaptainChaotica]

Well, that's the thing--with this artwork style it's hard to tell people's ages right away.  I mean, Wendy is exactly the same height as everyone else!  So BG Character MIGHT be a child laborer, but could just as easily be in her 20s...

...Notorious

[TurtleKitty]

8 minutes ago, CaptainChaotica said:

Well, that's the thing--with this artwork style it's hard to tell people's ages right away.  I mean, Wendy is exactly the same height as everyone else!  So BG Character MIGHT be a child laborer, but could just as easily be in her 20s...

...Notorious

Fair enough. 
Should've asked the loremaster about Genny's age . . . 

[Raspberry Shake]

4 hours ago, EthanTheMime said:

whatever happened to that theory that wagstaff was WX? is that still remotely plausible?

One of the new Hamlet characters is confirmed to be Wagstaff, due to data mining. 

What if the person in the portal is the one connecting everything? Hell, this might not even be the voxila factory for all we know (none of the workers seem to be wearing the outfits). With the way Winona is about fire, it's possible she's had her fair share of mysterious fires.

[FreyaMaluk]

3 hours ago, CaptainChaotica said:

Who was that with the yellow gloves?  Wagstaff?  Whoever they were they were probably working with electrical equipment, with protective gloves like that.  (They remind me of Megavolt's yellow rubber gloves from "Darkwing Duck", although in that case it's more to keep HIM from zapping OTHERS constantly.)

I'm pretty sure Wagstaff was the one getting suck in the constant trying to hold Winona's hand... and as I mentioned before... It makes way more sense to assume that Wagstaff was helping Winona find her sister (Machine in Wagstaff's main office). Wagstaff is her boss and he probs got caught in the mystery of it all. 

and yes... I think the girl saved by Winona is probs her girlfriend.. why not? Tbh I never cared about if Winona was created as a symbol for femininity or queerness, cuz the best "feminist" or "q-u-e-e-r" characters never throw that fact in your face. They are fully rounded characters, totally fierce and genuine people. And now that Winona finally got the abilities missing to her character, we can start loving her more not for being a symbol of "x" but for being a good damn round character, which is in the end the most egalitarian and meaningful concept inside the game and meta. 

[Monkey Cups]

4 hours ago, Cosheeta said:

Is this, presumably joke/filler, in the corner talking about aliens being real?

That's hilarious given I just remembered this exists the other day.

 

If the devs keep doing that I'm going to eat my hat. Stop reading my mind you wizards.

 

[MondayNight]

4 hours ago, Cosheeta said:

Is this, presumably joke/filler, in the corner talking about aliens being real?

..or a foreshadowing of "Moon"-entity elements, biome and possibly mobs from said biome/theme, would be interesting if such approach ended up canon in DST if done in line with the Lovecraftian horror element of the game.

[CaptainChaotica]

Ooh, that'd be neat.  Freaky lunar Things from the Dungeon Dimensions...

As for the whole Genny thing...I was only half serious anyway, but I think it'd be an okay idea, which is why I entertained it.  I totally agree on the "don't just make a character gay or whatever other type you're trying to put in your story, just make them a CHARACTER" idea.  Reminds me also of that "Strong Character, Female" thing--there was this cool like, flow-chart of lots of different characters.  (It was on "Overthinking It", a podcast I used to listen to regularly and then kinda forgot about.)

The idea is that "strong female character" usually means badass and/or probably wearing a skimpy outfit, without much other personality or flaws, whereas "strong character, female" means just _a well-written character_ who happens to be (or identify as) female.  Flaws allowed--in fact, welcomed.

ANYway...

...Notorious

[Cytryn7]

https://clips.twitch.tv/EncouragingProudPuppyYouDontSay

It seems Winona had no idea about the Constant at all. Maybe, eventually it wasn't her pinboard?

[BionicSandwich]

winona was brought into the constant before the events of dst, because the charlie that drags her into the constant was the pre-nightmare throne one.

[YouKnowWho]

Maybe if we see which dots are connected to which, we’ll be able to see some more connections between the survivors we didn’t know before. Maybe it’s just connecting mysterious disappearances, but it wouldn’t hurt to try, would it?

[ResettePlayer]

I'm certain that there's some weird time crap going on with the Constant. More than once we've heard the hand-wavey "Time works differently there" and so maybe portals don't just deposit victims into a random geographical location, but a random time as well.

It looks like Wilson got sucked in after Winona, but if the trailers are to be believed, Wilson managed to build a boat to sail to the tropics and an air balloon to fly to the pig valley. After that he'd go through Adventure Mode and the rest is history. All these tasks would take a good amount of time to complete, and if Wagstaff is a Hamlet character, that would imply that Hamlet and Shipwrecked aren't just alternate universes or whatever.

Winona on the other hand, only just became comfortable in the Constant. Like yesterday. Wilson has been to the Throne and back at this point.

I guess what I'm trying to say here is that even though Winona went missing a few years before Wilson, she was deposited at a later point on the Constant timeline (as it were), and Wilson was put at a point long before.

That doesn't really make sense if Winona was pulled in by pre-Queen Charlie, but if we're getting into the realm of weird timey-wimey stuff, do these details matter? It could be potentially handwaved by saying that Charlie pulled Winona into portal-limbo and dropped her there to be deposited wherever. The alternative would be that Wilson actually got in earlier somehow, or that Winona spent A LOT of time wandering around like "This is so crazy wha's goin' on" for Wilson to come in later, do all the stuff he did, die like a billion times, usurp Maxwell and build the Jury-Rigged Portal before Winona ever meets another survivor.

 

As for the corkboard, my vote's in with Winona, though I'm open to other suggestions. The board seems slightly more focused on Charlie than Maxwell, which would eliminate Jack Carter probably, and she's had about 13 years to investigate supernatural occurrences and disappearances that might tangentially be related to Charlie's disappearance. Though that scene where Shadow Charlie is compared to Photo Charlie is probably there for the sake of the less lore-literate of watchers, it also looks like Winona could be comparing her memory of Charlie to the changed version she sees.

[maradyne]

The implication so far has been that time can flow slower/faster in the Constant, but nothing about time actually being out of order. And there's no need for time shenanigans to explain what happened.

Maxwell lures in factory guy, like what would happen later with Wilson.
Winona repairs the portal; this was outside of Max's plans, so he didn't even notice her.
Charlie slips out for a moment; she has her old appearance and split personality issue, so this is before her Reign began.
Winona gets yoinked.
After only a few days of producing the radio, the factory burns down.

Years later, Wilson gets his hands on a radio, maybe at a flee market or something. We don't really have any info on that; just that the radio was the conduit for Maxwell, and so he had to have come in after Winona...or at almost exactly the same time, if their shipping was like, really, really good for the time or the factory was next door to Wilson's secret forest.

 

People are assuming that Winona came last of all because that was the release order. Rather...she's been in the Constant, but with Maxwell being unaware of her arrival, she had no interaction with anyone until DST's between-island portals started being built.

[Mr. Matt]

maybe this helps i dunno

[GorilaInvisible]

13 hours ago, CaptainChaotica said:

Girlfriend?  Let the shipping commence!  (Only halfway serious, but hey, why not?)

NO

[0Darkaos]

One little detail that I think might make people write me off as outright wrong is that with this short I think linking willow to fires will slowly become redundant, since in the cork board itself there are at least 2 instances of fires in rather separate locations, such as the library in new york burning down, and the news paper mentioning San Francisco being ablaze, so either willow really got some free time and specific targets (both unlikely) or those fires are a way of contextualizing things.

Example being, one of Winona's quotes is that "fires seem to follow maxwell like a curse" something that with the board joining maxwell to many things, including the fires could mean it was she who was making said connections, and yes maybe the factory burning down could still be a result of willow interfering, but in general not every single fire incident could be related to her anymore.

[axxel]

I think the pinboard is Winona's. In the scene where Charlie appears the scene is flickering between her and the pinned photo. I assume Winona also collected enough information because there should be enough witnesses. Also, it seems the goverment obscure the incidents to tell the newspaper what to write.

 

[minespatch]

2 hours ago, ResettePlayer said:

'm certain that there's some weird time crap going on with the Constant.

 

[watermelen671]

16 hours ago, TurtleKitty said:

I think Genevieve might be a child laborer, which was common practice back then to cut wage cost. 

Well, we know this occurred during 1919, due to Kevin's random description of the Voxola lore.

Spoiler

Inb4 people clamor that it's not canon anymore, shh. Okay?

It's canon until it's retconned, capiche?

There were only like, 4 workers in the factory...so I don't think Wagstaff was business savvy enough to even consider the thought of child labor.

Spoiler

Also Genevieve is the same size as Winona, and unless Winona herself was a child laborer, I don't think that's the case.

 

[0Darkaos]

Can someone get a few screen shots of the board so we can give a better look at the clues, because if what year is it is being abproblem, I'm pretty sure I saw it saying 1916 somewhere, probably in the missing page for charlie.