Quoth143 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 (Copied from my Tumblr) At the beginning of Winona’s short we see a bulletin board that is connecting Charlie to Wagstaff’s factory, i.e. Winona and Wagstaff. It’s easy to say it was Winona but the thing is Winona had no idea of what Wagstaff was doing and subsequently vanished with her boss. Someone else is making connections and it could be someone who works with the police (No I’m not say it’s Albert) or who works as a detective. Either way, someone is connecting the dots. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103635-someone-is-connecting-the-dots/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Developer ImDaMisterL Posted March 8, 2019 Developer Share Posted March 8, 2019 That's right, and it can't be someone we know, since in the timeline, everyone was already in the world before Winona... right? But something I don't understand, how was Wagstaff still in our world? Weren't the events of DS all after the Voxola factory fire? @-@ Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103635-someone-is-connecting-the-dots/#findComment-1162896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoth143 Posted March 8, 2019 Author Share Posted March 8, 2019 Just now, ImDaMisterL said: That's right, and it can't be someone we know, since in the timeline, everyone was already in the world before Winona... right? But something I don't understand, how was Wagstaff still in our world? Weren't the events of DS all after the Voxola factory fire? @-@ Maxwell himself said time moved differently in the Constant and it's pretty much a given that the characters come from different places in time as well as different backgrounds. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103635-someone-is-connecting-the-dots/#findComment-1162897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minespatch Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Apparently not only is Charlie missing, but so is Woodie. The person connecting the dots also is aware of Wx-78, so I'm not sure if it's Winona or not using apophenia to find these people. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103635-someone-is-connecting-the-dots/#findComment-1162899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoth143 Posted March 8, 2019 Author Share Posted March 8, 2019 Just now, minespatch said: Apparently not only is Charlie missing, but so is Woodie. The person connecting the dots also is aware of Wx-78, so I'm not sure if it's Winona or not using apophenia to find these people. Someone has been keeping track of the disappearances for sure. Maybe even Jack Carter? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103635-someone-is-connecting-the-dots/#findComment-1162902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikeGuy Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Genevieve from the short could be another option. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103635-someone-is-connecting-the-dots/#findComment-1162904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Developer ImDaMisterL Posted March 8, 2019 Developer Share Posted March 8, 2019 11 minutes ago, Quoth143 said: Maxwell himself said time moved differently in the Constant and it's pretty much a given that the characters come from different places in time as well as different backgrounds. But then how could the devs have made that old timeline of events? Quote 1890s - 1906: William Carter origin story 1906: William and Charlie enter the DS world. 1906 - 1910ish: Some crazy stuff happens that we haven't told you about yet.... 1910ish - 1921: The various playable characters get pulled into the DS world. 1921: Wilson gets pulled in (Forbidden Knowlege trailer). *THE ORIGINAL GAME + ROG STARTS HERE* ?: Wilson lives in DSworld for a while. Dies a lot, eventually finds Maxwell's door and confronts Maxwell ?: Wilson replaces Maxwell on the Nightmare Throne, Maxwell becomes Waxwell. ?: Some other crazy stuff happens that we haven't told you about yet.... ?: The DST plotline begins. This was made by Kevin, if I'm not mistaken. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103635-someone-is-connecting-the-dots/#findComment-1162907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoth143 Posted March 8, 2019 Author Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 minute ago, ImDaMisterL said: But then how could the devs have made that old timeline of events? This was made by Kevin, if I'm not mistaken. He kept it pretty vague. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103635-someone-is-connecting-the-dots/#findComment-1162909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Developer ImDaMisterL Posted March 8, 2019 Developer Share Posted March 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, Quoth143 said: He kept it pretty vague. Even if he kept it vague, he still gave us years to base ourselves off of. I don't know, I understand where you're coming from, but it'd just makes things more complicated, and it sounds more like "we just thought this lore up right now, but how do we change the old stuff? Oh yeah, time works diffferently, boom." Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103635-someone-is-connecting-the-dots/#findComment-1162911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoth143 Posted March 8, 2019 Author Share Posted March 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, ImDaMisterL said: Even if he kept it vague, he still gave us years to base ourselves off of. I don't know, I understand where you're coming from, but it'd just makes things more complicated, and it sounds more like "we just thought this lore up right now, but how do we change the old stuff? Oh yeah, time works diffferently, boom." I don't think that's what they're going for. I kinda figured Maxwell's line pre-dates DST. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103635-someone-is-connecting-the-dots/#findComment-1162913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowDuelist Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Maybe this is closing in? whoever's connecting the dots still has not entered the constant. If that board is gonna be a pattern to show you each story in the next animations, then maybe it will be the final character to enter.... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103635-someone-is-connecting-the-dots/#findComment-1162918 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemonsnoot Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 I'd say it IS Winona who connected the dots, it looks like she infiltrated Wagstaff's factory, without really knowing what was going on, then she got pulled in when she discovered the portal, at least, that's what it felt like to me Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103635-someone-is-connecting-the-dots/#findComment-1162926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoth143 Posted March 8, 2019 Author Share Posted March 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, Lemonsnoot said: I'd say it IS Winona who connected the dots, it looks like she infiltrated Wagstaff's factory, without really knowing what was going on, then she got pulled in when she discovered the portal, at least, that's what it felt like to me True true. But someone would've had to investigate the fires afterward wouldn't they? They'd have to investigate the cause of the fire and who went missing. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103635-someone-is-connecting-the-dots/#findComment-1162928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemonsnoot Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Just now, Quoth143 said: True true. But someone would've had to investigate the fires afterward wouldn't they? They'd have to investigate the cause of the fire and who went missing. Fair, it's definitely possible Winona wasn't the only one looking for anyone, and someone could've been helping her in connecting the dots, or vice versa. There could have potentiallly been a counter movement to Maxwell's escapades we don't know about, all happening in 'Real Space' Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103635-someone-is-connecting-the-dots/#findComment-1162930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoth143 Posted March 8, 2019 Author Share Posted March 8, 2019 Just now, Lemonsnoot said: Fair, it's definitely possible Winona wasn't the only one looking for anyone, and someone could've been helping her in connecting the dots, or vice versa. There could have potentiallly been a counter movement to Maxwell's escapades we don't know about, all happening in 'Real Space' This is why I love lore updates. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103635-someone-is-connecting-the-dots/#findComment-1162931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ModsterMash Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 There are clues to Winona being the one connecting the dots. First off, she would be the most likely one to have the family photo and Charlie's letter (though certainly anyone close to Winona investigating her disappearance could plausibly get a hold of these things). There is also the description of Winona's Industrious Head skin: "When all signs pointed towards the Voxola Radio Company, Winona knew what she had to do." This goes along with the "Gain Access To Voxola" note on the Pepe Sylvia board: The description for the Work Uniform says she had a "short-lived stint" working at Voxola, so she wasn't there long. It makes sense if she was only getting a job there to investigate. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103635-someone-is-connecting-the-dots/#findComment-1162933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeklo Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 I still think it's Winona. Personal photos, a letter addressed to Winona from her sister, notes of getting access to Voxola, an application for Voxola—she eventually ends up at Voxola. All these dates are before 1919 (the date we have for the factory burning down). No point in gaining access to something once it's burned down. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103635-someone-is-connecting-the-dots/#findComment-1162935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
watermelen671 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 10 minutes ago, Zeklo said: I still think it's Winona. Personal photos, a letter addressed to Winona from her sister, notes of getting access to Voxola, an application for Voxola—she eventually ends up at Voxola. All these dates are before 1919 (the date we have for the factory burning down). No point in gaining access to something once it's burned down. Maybe Winona's like Wigfrid, she's just really good at playing a role. She's an investigator, looking into the disappearance of Charlie, and using her skills as a "Jill-of-all-trades" to infiltrate Voxola in order to find out what's going on. She's just acting like she's a mechanical nut, but what's really under the hood? Nobody knows... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103635-someone-is-connecting-the-dots/#findComment-1162942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BushmannGG1392 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Time Machine Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103635-someone-is-connecting-the-dots/#findComment-1162944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoth143 Posted March 8, 2019 Author Share Posted March 8, 2019 I did notice her quote for her Voxola skin after making this, so you guys have me there. Still what if there was someone else connecting the dots?? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103635-someone-is-connecting-the-dots/#findComment-1162947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
watermelen671 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Just now, Quoth143 said: I did notice her quote for her Voxola skin after making this, so you guys have me there. Still what if there was someone else connecting the dots?? Someone has to pick up the mantle after Winona goes missing... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103635-someone-is-connecting-the-dots/#findComment-1162948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
4 Da LOLs Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 hour ago, minespatch said: the dots also is aware of Wx-78, so this means that WX was made in the real world and isn't just another clockwork made in the constant though the reason for Wagstaffs entry to there may have been relating to them Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103635-someone-is-connecting-the-dots/#findComment-1162956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EthanTheMime Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 whatever happened to that theory that wagstaff was WX? is that still remotely plausible? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103635-someone-is-connecting-the-dots/#findComment-1162965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikeGuy Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Just now, EthanTheMime said: whatever happened to that theory that wagstaff was WX? is that still remotely plausible? Probably not, since one of the new characters announced on the Hamlet Roadmap seems to be Wagstaff. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103635-someone-is-connecting-the-dots/#findComment-1162966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VexTheHex Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Still wonder if Wagstaff made WX followed by Maxwell/Charlie/Them taking it away after giving him the knowledge to build it in exchange to produce the radios. Then the grieving Wagstaff may of been desperate enough to reconstruct the portal to go after his lost child, but he of course freaked when the portal opened and still reached for help as it drug him inside which lead to Winona's downfall as well as she attempted to save him. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103635-someone-is-connecting-the-dots/#findComment-1162971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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