Do we really need a sulfur geyser?

[Abi.m]

I dont understand the need for a sulfur geyser. The production of sulfur ingame from Sour Gas Boiler (SGB) is correct but in IRL it is also a byproduct of crude oil refining to petrol. Not everyone ingame wants to build a SGB in every colony, so petroleum route should have sulfur production. Also sulfur is also found near volcanoes. That should have been a feature as well. Lava solidifying to a composite tile of igneous and sulfur.

[MinhPham]

I don't think they will offer a lot of sulfur per geyser, just enough to power the sugar rocket.

Edit : Agree with the petroleum route, since  the oil refinery deletes 50% of the oil mass, i think it is ok to have some sulfur as a byproduct of the refinery.

[Meltdown]

Adding sulfur geyser is the easiest solution to make it renewable without sour gas boiler. Tweaking existing production chains before going on holiday break is a risky move as introducing new bugs or breaking the balance would leave far more people upset than the lack of renewable sulfur already does. Consider this as a temporary fix before looking for a proper integration of sulfur into colony life cycle.

[Sasza22]

Nothing wrong with having a natural source of sulfur. It`s basically a sulfur volcano wich makes sense. Works for the ONI world where each geyser produces only one type of resource. They could add another source through the oil refinery as well but for now it works.

[evilcat19xx]

I commented in a wrong section, that is why edited my post.

[babba]

Still no Plutonium-Geysir in the game

[MiniDeathStar]

Is it possible to get your hands on fullerene in the current build without spawning fullerene comets in sandbox mode? How do you make supercoolant for stuff like sour gas boilers otherwise?

[Khullag]

cmon, do you want to have a geyser for everything? we have a cool process of getting sulfur through SGB an you want to dumb it down to a geyser?

[avc15]

gating sulphur behind one of the most mechanically complex builds in the game isn't great for new players.

A geyser is necessary. It's ok if the geyser is rare, though. (edit: or a critter morph that poops sulphur. Or some other mechanism)

[goboking]

21 hours ago, Abi.m said:

Also sulfur is also found near volcanoes. That should have been a feature as well. Lava solidifying to a composite tile of igneous and sulfur.

I could get behind lava rocks being run through the rock crusher to produce sulfur and igneous rock.

[nakomaru]

Add back in magma volcanoes, but have them spit out 1600C sulfur gas as well. Let's see the new players squirm (and boil).

[JRup]

So now we might as well stop accidentally dripping crude on hot abyssalite and then cooling it down with an AETN.

[blash365]

On 12/16/2020 at 9:07 AM, MinhPham said:

I don't think they will offer a lot of sulfur per geyser, just enough to power the sugar rocket.

Edit : Agree with the petroleum route, since  the oil refinery deletes 50% of the oil mass, i think it is ok to have some sulfur as a byproduct of the refinery.

I absolutely agree that sulfur should be a biproduct of the refinery. That would preserve the mass in the game.

Too bad we didnt post this earlier.:/

 

Sidenote: it is not 50%, since there are also 90g/s of NG.

[0xFADE]

The sulfur geyser is too far away to be of any use. Late game food is trivial and usually completely sustainable through ranching. The in game window for the need of sulfur is pretty small unless they use it in some other process later.  I’d rather have a guaranteed chlorine/natural gas geyser. 

[blash365]

33 minutes ago, 0xFADE said:

The sulfur geyser is too far away to be of any use. Late game food is trivial and usually completely sustainable through ranching. The in game window for the need of sulfur is pretty small unless they use it in some other process later.  I’d rather have a guaranteed chlorine/natural gas geyser. 

I would expect the sulfur geyser to be moved to another planetoid in the long run anyway.

Otherwise the swamp biome would be quite a joke:

• water geyser
• enough po2 for ages
• enough sand to clean po2
• critters who increase your food drastically
• free food for the critters

Then we only need a copper ore volcano to also get free energy.^^

Most likely things will spread out a bit.

[Sith515]

22 minutes ago, blash365 said:

Then we only need a copper ore volcano to also get free energy.^^

There's several minor volcanoes to feed hatches with.

[blash365]

6 minutes ago, Sith515 said:

There's several minor volcanoes to feed hatches with.

There are no hatches on the swamp start planet. I was referring to the plug slugs. The next obviously not sustainable thing on the first planetoid.;)

[natanstarke]

Oh heck yes we need! More than one even

[SharraShimada]

You need sulfur to produce sucrose. And that you dont only need to power a sugar engine, but also to make certain food. 

[0xFADE]

I'm saying the geyser is too far away, as in it isn't on the starter location or the teleport location(which sort of is the same location in that you can transfer things between them without rockets) or even the next closest location.  You don't need sulfur for food by that point in the game.  Food needs to be solved way before you get to those locations and resolved as you expand.  Maybe for rockets but isn't co2 better than sugar?

[nakomaru]

Considering how much sulfur there is on the swamp start, is the geyser being far away a problem?

[Sasza22]

5 hours ago, 0xFADE said:

Maybe for rockets but isn't co2 better than sugar?

Currently it is. Gives more range and the extra module the sugar allows is needed for the oxydizer anyway. But we don`t hav everything implemented yet. Maybe there are other uses for sulfur or sucrose planned which would make the geyser worthwhile in the long run.

[silverbluep]

If it occured naturally as a decay product; then there would be deposits of it. It's natural occurence is trace amounts in uranium ore; as uranium sometimes irradiates itself into plutonium. It's naturally occuring but not a decay product; like everything after Uranium.

Small amount of sulfur to keep a few critters going or to occasionally power a rocket is nice I think; until you get your sour gas boiler running. As long as it's not powerful I'm fine with it.

[nakomaru]

On 12/19/2020 at 12:40 PM, 0xFADE said:

I'm saying the geyser is too far away, as in it isn't on the starter location or the teleport location

Silly me for not checking. It is.

[TheKilltech]

Well, the game made a weird connection that the only way to make sugar is to... make it out of sulfur? hmm, sugar is an organic and as such made mostly out of carbon, hydrogen and a little oxygen... and no sulfur. So it seems the biology of sweetles has access to some insanely advanced nuclear physics build in.

Anyhow, as sulfur was effectively made into an optional (but then critical) early game resource, that due to its processing, entirely changes into other things which don't allow to regain in via recycling so no closed loop system is possible. Hence there is little alternative to adding mid game replenishable sources like a geyser. 

So the problem isn't sulfur but its new connection with a starter food plant and sugar. Those simply need to be sustainable instead of potentially starve out a colony. On the other hand I dislike the attitude that a resource having only a single way to obtain them. Given that this is an early uncompleted version, i don't mind that this is currently the case for sugar, if alternatives are added later. Well, perhaps instead this was changed for sulfur for now. That said i completely disagree with some of the opinions that don't like the new geyser.