Xentios Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 How much time you are wasting in fixing and creating new bugs currently? Like %50 or more? You are working on this game over 4 years with major addtions and deletions so i quess source code is a mess right now. Don't you think it is time to close this deal and work on ONI 2? Maybe add co-op play and a real single-player in that? I know codding a little and in a game this complicated with extreme programming method will hit a wall unless you made an amazing unit test , user test and real time test stages.Don't know what are you doing in that part but currently all patches become "FIX"...bla bla , "RENAMED" .. bla bla, "UPDATED" ... bla bla.. Sometimes it is better to start a clean slate then trying to FIX bla bla. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109337-questions-for-developers/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacovf Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 *grabs popcorn* Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109337-questions-for-developers/#findComment-1231516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophlette Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 I work on a web application that is 8 years old. What should I say to my 15.000 code smells ? Not today ! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109337-questions-for-developers/#findComment-1231520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxCD Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 The game isn't even released, still under developpement, and there's still lot of ideas/concepts for DLCs, extensions, and so on. I don't get at all why you're talking about ONI 2, or starting any new project based on the same concept already. By the way, it's been a long time since someone talked about multiplayer. I was missing it a bit. (I truely think we don't share the same vision of a game, nor the same preference/balance of quality over quantity.) The last word : I have to disagree on everything. I want them to fix all known bugs, to add new content again and again on the same game, why not a story mode but optionally and over a second (third) phase, and to completely forget about any waste of time on multiplayer. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109337-questions-for-developers/#findComment-1231526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nakomaru Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 When real game studios need advice on direction, development and long term vision, they have always relied on one-week-old-forum-account user Xentios. Thank you Xentios. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109337-questions-for-developers/#findComment-1231527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxCD Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 22 minutes ago, pacovf said: *grabs popcorn* Sweet EDIT : keep some for me please ! Incomiiiiing Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109337-questions-for-developers/#findComment-1231529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOwl Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 So when something is broken, your first reaction is to just leave it broken and start again from scratch while making first-time buyers pay for it again? Please remind me to never buy something you've made. Ever. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109337-questions-for-developers/#findComment-1231535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cairath Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 27 minutes ago, Xentios said: I know codding a little What exactly do you do with cods? Slap them against the table? Let those poor cods live, they've done nothing wrong. Seriously though, obvious troll, nothing to see here Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109337-questions-for-developers/#findComment-1231543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xentios Posted July 24, 2019 Author Share Posted July 24, 2019 Look guys i just know codding and looking it from a developers side. I maybe new and maybe the worst developer in the world but that does not make what i write is wrong or absolute truth. If you never wrote a code that is over 1000 lines (which is a very very very small project) you can never understand that side of the story. For example you can never make a bug free game especially an ONI like game. Every time you touch the code something else will break. So forget a bug free game, you can never have that if the game is constantly changing. If you look at this from company policies, working in a single game with free dlcs over 8 years does not make sense either. Don't get me wrong i would never buy this game if it was like SIMS in dlc part. But you should agree that after a while game would stop selling new copies and even the worst programmer in the world gets 1000$ a month. You guys just need to see the other side of the things. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109337-questions-for-developers/#findComment-1231555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharraShimada Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, Xentios said: I maybe new and maybe the worst developer in the world That may be an understatement.... Aaaaand the facepalm of the day goes to.... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109337-questions-for-developers/#findComment-1231561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasza22 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, Xentios said: you can never make a bug free game So what is your point? It seems like you are unreasonably agressive towards an unfinished product in your first post and now you claim it`s impossible to have it perfect. Are you legit asking how much time they spend on fixing things or what do you actually mean? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109337-questions-for-developers/#findComment-1231565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yunru Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 This thread has taught me that confused does not count towards a post's heat. And nothing else. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109337-questions-for-developers/#findComment-1231569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artorias36 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 12 minutes ago, Xentios said: Look guys i just know codding and looking it from a developers side. I maybe new and maybe the worst developer in the world but that does not make what i write is wrong or absolute truth. I hope your codes are better than your grammar. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109337-questions-for-developers/#findComment-1231573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xentios Posted July 24, 2019 Author Share Posted July 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Sasza22 said: So what is your point? It seems like you are unreasonably agressive towards an unfinished product in your first post and now you claim it`s impossible to have it perfect. Are you legit asking how much time they spend on fixing things or what do you actually mean? They can make a better second game with solid goals and wisdom from the first game . Right now it fells like they are just playing with clay too long and it is getting dirty in the process. I am just saying it is time to use the oven. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109337-questions-for-developers/#findComment-1231575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxCD Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 @Xentios Your last post was a lot more in deep into your thought and helped me to get what you meant . But now, even I understand your comments, I'm definitely sure that I must disagree on every expectations you brought. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109337-questions-for-developers/#findComment-1231580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasza22 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Xentios said: They can make a better second game with solid goals and wisdom from the first game . So you mean thay should just stop developing a game 5 days before release and start a new project? I don`t think it`s a popular opinion. I`m also sure they keep the experiences. This is not their first game and there are surely more to come. Who knows what inspirations for new games came out of developing this one. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109337-questions-for-developers/#findComment-1231582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxCD Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, Artorias36 said: I hope your codes are better than your grammar. Please keep it respectful. You don't know his coding skills, no one does except him. By the way not everyone is native english speaker, trust me I know what I'm talking about. I'm looking forward to ear your skills in French Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109337-questions-for-developers/#findComment-1231584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
6Havok9 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Klei is playing with clay? uh... Agree? BTW, Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109337-questions-for-developers/#findComment-1231587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathmanican Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 23 minutes ago, Xentios said: If you look at this from company policies, working in a single game with free dlcs over 8 years does not make sense either. Shh. Don't tell RIOT this. We might lose LOL. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109337-questions-for-developers/#findComment-1231589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yunru Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, OxCD said: I'm looking forward to ear your skills in French Je nais parle par l'francais? My writing is ****e, and my speaking is fluent in that one sentence. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109337-questions-for-developers/#findComment-1231591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOwl Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 9 minutes ago, OxCD said: Please keep it respectful. You don't know his coding skills, no one does except him. By the way not everyone is native english speaker, trust me I know what I'm talking about. I'm looking forward to ear your skills in French J'ai rien à prouver à un lama. Jokes and guessing-work on their coding skills aside, it is clear to anyone who's ever seen a fan community for a video game that giving up on a game and just making a sequel while leaving the previous one full of bugs is never the thing to do if you want your studio to be successful. There are lots of games available, with tons of them very good. If a studio has betrayed the trust of its fans, they have plenty of other games they can try instead, never having to look back. Which means OP's suggestion is not a wise one. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109337-questions-for-developers/#findComment-1231598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxCD Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 17 minutes ago, Yunru said: Je nais parle par l'francais? My writing is ****e, and my speaking is fluent in that one sentence. That sentence will help you in France to... feel alone. French people are so bad in foreign languages ^^ Learn how to say "you have the best wine in the world, and your soccer team deserves the cup. Let's drink together to celebrate", even if you don't think a word. They love flaterry (Yes I'm sarcastic about my people, and so WHAT ? ) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109337-questions-for-developers/#findComment-1231602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junksteel Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Xentios said: Sometimes it is better to start a clean slate then trying to FIX bla bla. That's the plan with Mars. We want to stablish there to not fix bla bla. Pretty reasonable. I agree. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109337-questions-for-developers/#findComment-1231605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightinggale Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Junksteel said: That's the plan with Mars. We want to stablish there to not fix bla bla. Pretty reasonable. I agree. The Mars colonization have learned for the mistakes on Earth. This time we are doing it without global warming. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109337-questions-for-developers/#findComment-1231609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junksteel Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Nightinggale said: The Mars colonization have learned for the mistakes on Earth. This time we are doing it without global warming. Yeah, I'm confident we will come up with a brand new planet malady. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109337-questions-for-developers/#findComment-1231613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.
Please be aware that the content of this thread may be outdated and no longer applicable.