poll A Poll About Wilson's Rework

[RogueGamer12]

I won't mind seeing everyone's opinions on this, on one hand i still want to him to be a simple character that new players can jump into. But on the other i want to to be much more different to let him be unique character with a role.

[-Variant]

Only 2 options.

Please expand on this, for everyone's sake.

I need Wilson to be Wilson while staying as original to Wilson as Wilson can possibly be.

[LasseJ]

I think  you at least need to add the option of "fine the way he is". That's the category I'd put him in. His stats and beard mechanics makes perfect sense for a "beginner character": Having a particular role as well as a being the beginner character would be counterintuitive. But maybe I just lack creativity.    

[trinket_4]

The only change I want is for him to be allowed to shave only his beard and keep a cool mustache

[GenomeSquirrel]

1 hour ago, MrLJensen said:

I think  you at least need to add the option of "fine the way he is". That's the category I'd put him in. His stats and beard mechanics makes perfect sense for a "beginner character": Having a particular role as well as a being the beginner character would be counterintuitive. But maybe I just lack creativity.    

the problem with a beginner character is that all characters are equally accessible, the game doesn't inform players that he's a beginning character, and he doesn't have anything that helps new players (you can argue his beard, but since that takes time to grow and dying resets that timer, I disagree it helps beginners). From a new player perspective, characters are sprites with surprises. 

[Ornge]

49 minutes ago, GenomeSquirrel said:

the problem with a beginner character is that all characters are equally accessible, the game doesn't inform players that he's a beginning character

Actually in my experience, whenever I play with one of my friends who is new to the game they always pick Wilson. You also see this in pubs, players who say they just got the game usually pick Wilson first.

Because of this, I would say to keep wilson qualifies as a beginner character due to him not having any downside making it easier to experience the game

[GenomeSquirrel]

1 hour ago, Ornge said:

Actually in my experience, whenever I play with one of my friends who is new to the game they always pick Wilson. You also see this in pubs, players who say they just got the game usually pick Wilson first.

Because of this, I would say to keep wilson qualifies as a beginner character due to him not having any downside making it easier to experience the game

Easier at what though?

Sure Wilson dies slower than Willow in winter, but failing slower is not succeeding.

[Fuffles]

not enough options imo, but I would definietly not add an option "keep him as he is"
You see Wilson has no proper use (besides beard hair for basically close to no items) in Don't Starve Together, in Don't Starve he has an use; Default Character. The Logic of the Default Character that's easy and basically as plain as a character can be is meaningless in Together, since every single non-Premium Character is unlocked right from the bat. He needs to fit his role "The Gentleman Scientist", that's all I'd say for the Rework theme. Currently the amount of Gentleman-ness and Scientist-ness is non-existent. All he is is a Witty Beardy Man, nothing more, really

[reverentsatyr]

All I want is to be able to customize his beard with razors.

[Ornge]

51 minutes ago, GenomeSquirrel said:

Easier at what though?

Sure Wilson dies slower than Willow in winter, but failing slower is not succeeding.

It's easier to learn to play the game, especially when your new and you have no idea what anything is. Also Wilson's quotes are probably the most helpful in terms of telling you what something is imo

[Remps]

unique abilites + no downsides

[Fuffles]

11 minutes ago, Ornge said:

It's easier to learn to play the game, especially when your new and you have no idea what anything is. Also Wilson's quotes are probably the most helpful in terms of telling you what something is imo

You confused Wickerbottom with Wilson

[G-Forces]

I think wilson should stay the same, no new abilities, no changes. I do however like the custom beard idea.

[Misa22]

In my opinion, Wilson should stay as he is in terms of stats and beard stuff BUT I will give him craftables or something. 

You know, kinda to make him Wilson+

[Hunter863]

3 hours ago, GenomeSquirrel said:

Spoiler

the problem with a beginner character is that all characters are equally accessible, the game doesn't inform players that he's a beginning character, and he doesn't have anything that helps new players (you can argue his beard, but since that takes time to grow and dying resets that timer, I disagree it helps beginners). From a new player perspective, characters are sprites with surprises. 

 

I would disagree. The fact that he is the first on the list, and judging by the sheer amount of Wilson's I see playing the game, he is very much known to be a beginning character. And not all characters are equally accessible. A new player doesn't know how to survive winter easily, so they will struggle in winter if they choose Willow, which is a beginners first large challenge. Then the rest have their own downsides that might make new players struggle, being lack of food as Wolfgang so lower damage, constant lower damage as Wendy, being hurt from rain as WX, and etc. And I can completely argue his beard, because it is fully grown when winter comes around. He is the most balanced character for this reason, which makes him easier, and dying is not always losing my friend. In many cases for starters, it has them learn a bunch. If you reach Deerclops for the first time, you are most likely going to die since you are unprepared, but after dying you know hes there, so you make sure to prepare for the fight. Same goes for many bosses and the seasons.

[minespatch]

Option: His puns cause damage.

[4 Da LOLs]

He should make explosives like the hearthstone fire form forge it would be very easy to obtain early (like day 3) in mass so you can actually use it in a couple days and not have to wait to become useful I am looking at you Winona

they could distract mobs do damage and uproot things so they can still keep the jack of all trades deal while also making their scientist part more apparent like literally the first thing we see in the forbidden knowledge trailer is him blowing stuff up

[Hunter863]

1 minute ago, 4 Da LOLs said:

Spoiler

 

He should make explosives like the hearthstone fire form forge it would be very easy to obtain early (like day 3) in mass so you can actually use it in a couple days and not have to wait to become useful I am looking at you Winona

they could distract mobs do damage and uproot things so they can still keep the jack of all trades deal while also making their scientist part more apparent like literally the first thing we see in the forbidden knowledge trailer is him blowing stuff up

 

 

That sorta sounds op if you can get it on the first few days. Gunpowder is hard to get since you need to have mass production of eggs, or wait for winter to end for the Pengull eggs to rot, but does crap tons of damage, and is one of the few explosives in-game. Winona's stuff isn't expensive either, and the catapult and generator only requires 2 silk, which are arguably the most expensive materials to craft them, so I am confused when you say "wait to become useful"

[AnitaCoffee]

Two people I have gotten to play, began as Wilson because they seen him as the default character. I explained to them after they chose that he doesn't have any major benefits besides his beard, but doesn't have any down sides, and they liked that. I suppose it is easier to learn about the world/game if you're not busy learning character tricks and managing any negatives they come with. Which if Wilson was to get new nifty perks, he'd need downsides to stay balanced. 

So yeah, I'd vote he's fine as is. I'm glad they reworked Winona, but the game should keep one default, no tricks character. I see veterans playing him every now and then, so he does have appeal to many.

[4 Da LOLs]

37 minutes ago, Hunter863 said:

That sorta sounds op if you can get it on the first few days. Gunpowder is hard to get since you need to have mass production of eggs, or wait for winter to end for the Pengull eggs to rot, but does crap tons of damage, and is one of the few explosives in-game. Winona's stuff isn't expensive either, and the catapult and generator only requires 2 silk, which are arguably the most expensive materials to craft them, so I am confused when you say "wait to become useful"

1 I meant a medium splash damage of like 30 dmg each target

2 yes there are few explosives in game so why not add more?

3 the catapults require good placement and even then they are mostly useful with bosses so you mainly only need them once every season and leave you without a good use for them for the majority of the time

[GenomeSquirrel]

2 hours ago, Hunter863 said:

A new player doesn't know how to survive winter easily, so they will struggle in winter if they choose Willow, which is a beginners first large challenge. 

Like I said in another post, slower freezing to death is still freezing to death. 

2 hours ago, Hunter863 said:

 Then the rest have their own downsides that might make new players struggle, being lack of food as Wolfgang so lower damage, constant lower damage as Wendy, being hurt from rain as WX, and etc.

Combat isn’t relative to new players because the lack of kiting and armor, plus the quantity of spiders will prove deadly fast, having them fall back on berries and other food that doesn’t fight back. While rain isn’t a problem until spring, and the massive sanity decrease and shadow creatures comes close enough to rain damaging you.

2 hours ago, Hunter863 said:

 And I can completely argue his beard, because it is fully grown when winter comes around.

A new player not dying? Have you forgotten what new means?

2 hours ago, Hunter863 said:

He is the most balanced character for this reason.

Failing slowly is not succeeding. Not being bad does not make you good. He has nothing special to offer new players, intermediate and advanced players can surpass his one perk with a winter hat and thermal stone. He’s easily near the bottom of characters.

[Maxposting]

2 hours ago, minespatch said:

Option: His puns cause damage.

Skeledork wants more skeletons friends?

[Hunter863]

3 minutes ago, GenomeSquirrel said:

Like I said in another post, slower freezing to death is still freezing to death.

That doesn't really make any sense... The slower someone is freezing to death, the longer they will survive in winter, that's just simple logic. Anything that could help someone new survive winter is helpful, and that's essentially the entire point of Wilson's beard. I really don't see what you are implying here.

12 minutes ago, GenomeSquirrel said:

Combat isn’t relative to new players because the lack of kiting and armor, plus the quantity of spiders will prove deadly fast, having them fall back on berries and other food that doesn’t fight back. While rain isn’t a problem until spring, and the massive sanity decrease and shadow creatures comes close enough to rain damaging you.

I was just mostly just thinking off the top of my head. While Wendy does lose sanity slower, her damage can still affect newer players since they are more likely to get hit while fighting, making it more dangerous when they have to fight. They are also most likely unaware of how to activate Abigail and no longer have Wilson's beard, putting them at more of a disadvantage, however it is still probably a better character for after you learn the basics of the game. Then Wolfgang, on top of his lower damage when weak, he also has faster hunger drain, faster sanity drain, and lower speed when weak, so Wolf is probably one of the worst character for someone new. Lastly, WX loses health when it rains, however he also has lower starting sanity, which would put many new players at a disadvantage, and I don't think the ability to eat spoiled foods would be too useful to them, seeing as they would rarely have spare around. Then the others have disadvantages that I rather not make another 5 paragraphs about.

40 minutes ago, GenomeSquirrel said:

A new player not dying? Have you forgotten what new means?

Not the point I was making. It's that the beard will be fully grown by the time it is needed, thus the fact that dying resets it is quite pointless, seeing as they probably reset the world by that point.

42 minutes ago, GenomeSquirrel said:

Failing slowly is not succeeding. Not being bad does not make you good. He has nothing special to offer new players, intermediate and advanced players can surpass his one perk with a winter hat and thermal stone. He’s easily near the bottom of characters.

True, however it is learning, which is infinitely more valuable to beginners than being carried through the game. And the fact that he has nothing special to offer is WHY he is a good starter character. Him not having anything other than a slightly easier time in winter is why someone who just started playing should use him, because they get to learn the basics of the game and how to survive without any catch. Also, I was never arguing he was a good character, just a good learning character. Assuming a new player can get a winter hat is already giving them way too much credit, especially judging from your earlier comments, and they might not know about thermal stones. I would never pick him normally, he literally offers me nothing, but I already know everything I need to about getting food, surviving seasons, fighting enemies and bosses, and more that a new player wouldn't. You can't look at a starting character through an advanced player's lens, you have to look at them as though you have no idea what you are doing, which makes Wilson look a whole lot better. I am FULLY open to a rework, however as he stands now he is a very good starting character.

[leonseye]

6 hours ago, GenomeSquirrel said:

Easier at what though?

Sure Wilson dies slower than Willow in winter, but failing slower is not succeeding.

He also has the easiest access to beard hair w/ which to craft a Meat Effigy, which can turn a failure around.

[GenomeSquirrel]

 

1 hour ago, Hunter863 said:

That doesn't really make any sense... The slower someone is freezing to death, the longer they will survive in winter, that's just simple logic. Anything that could help someone new survive winter is helpful, and that's essentially the entire point of Wilson's beard. I really don't see what you are implying here.

In winter, deathly freezing temperatures are omnipresent. Players can create warmth at the cost of resources. Death from cold is ultimately due to the exhaustion of warmth creating resources, with possible enemy interference, and Wilson’s beard does not grant significant time to replenish warm creating resources.

 

1 hour ago, Hunter863 said:

True, however it is learning, which is infinitely more valuable to beginners than being carried through the game. And the fact that he has nothing special to offer is WHY he is a good starter character. Him not having anything other than a slightly easier time in winter is why someone who just started playing should use him, because they get to learn the basics of the game and how to survive without any catch. Also, I was never arguing he was a good character, just a good learning character. 

Nothing is not something. Every character forces you to eat, fight monsters, avoid the dark, not freeze or over heat. You will learn with all of them. This doesn’t hold water.

11 minutes ago, leonseye said:

He also has the easiest access to beard hair w/ which to craft a Meat Effigy, which can turn a failure around.

New players building magic machines and getting meat? No