Cap Point Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 I've seen a lot of topics here and on steam talking about how useless Winona is, and after finally switching from Woodie to Winona (I played Woodie for my first five hours of the game) to try playing her, she's actually a great character, both lore wise and in game. Her crafting speed bonus is godly in the early days, and I went from averaging three days as Woodie to managing to make it five days as Winona keeping everything in top shape before I got too cocky and tried to raid a tallbird nest with an axe and grass suit. Her free hit from the dark lets me be a lot lazier with light sources, and I find myself often waiting for my fire going out and taking the free hit before relighting it and using Garlands as cheap sanity regain. All in all, she's an easy character and as her stats are the same as Wilson, she might actually be better for new players like myself. I haven't played for long so I'm not gonna compare her to anybody until later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
co.op Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Can't tell if trolling or legit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MondayNight Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 They most likely are a beginner - and from that standpoint their arguments make sense, as Winona is newbie-oriented/friendly. You too were a beginner at some point so have a bit of sympathy - not everyone is just a "tbh" spam semi-troll nihilist. As for OP: main issue with Winona is from the experienced players minority group - they wanted at this stage in game's life a more niche character with further useful traits and probably slightly demanding special game-play, more "originality" to the character. Instead they got Wilson 2.0 without beard insulation but with 1/2 crafting times (not truly that beneficial) and an item seen by many as just a cheaper duplicate (for Sewing Kit) - yet great for Cave-only runs. Also the way Winona was introduced in the story didn't really added anything for DS/T lore, sort of it.. just happened. This is a summary of main issues with said character, hope it shed some light for you. Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maslak Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Game definitely needs generalist characters, sure. But specialists is where fun begins. Strong pros and strong cons characters are always the most interesting ones to play. Wolfgang, Wickerbottom, WX-78 or Maxwell maybe. Downsides really being there or not is different story ;_; Woodie is more generalist than specialist (imo) for example, but he has interesting perks (I don't consider beaver mode very good, but it definitely is crazy, for new players) and is not as boring as Winona/Wilson. Winona's darkness-related perk is useless to anyone outside of noob zone (no offense, I'm sure you understand what I mean), you can equip torch for a brief second to refill "darkness timer" anyway. And if you forgot about a light source it's your fault and it shouldn't happen (if it does, then yes, perk is helpful but it also means you're still new to the game). Faster crafting is useful, kind of. But it's either picking interesting character or picking Winona so you can craft tons of boards/ropes quicker when your group needs them. I don't know what to think about duct tape. It's cheap, but so is sewing kit - after first year you'll never run out of hound teeth. The advantage of tape is that it can be stacked. so yes, I'll give it that. It's a good choice for caves-only servers, where teeth are unavailable. But so is tam o' shanter, jackets and other items that are actually worth fixing. There were several threads talking about Winona, you can search for them to see other opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remps Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 because only pc players going flame otherwise in my opinion winona came for console player for who cant craft torch or any ligth quickly in console because its hard and maybe next charachter will more specialist then winona or other players dream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamscape18459 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 When I heard about Winona I was expecting someone similar to the previous expansion's characters that Klei made (Webber and Wigfrid in Reign of Giants.) They each have great perks, downside's and are ultimately satisfying to me to play. I was not expecting Wilson 2.0. Thankfully Winona plays extremely differently from Wilson in the Forge and Gorge and I enjoy playing her there. Edit: Also I think she gets a lot of hate because she was the main feature in a minor content update. If she had arrived during the Heart of the Ruins update players would have had other content to focus on (diverting complaint away from Winona.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footman Crouch Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 2 hours ago, xxVERSUSxy said: They most likely are a beginner - and from that standpoint their arguments make sense, as Winona is newbie-oriented/friendly. You too were a beginner at some point so have a bit of sympathy - not everyone is just a "tbh" spam semi-troll nihilist. As for OP: main issue with Winona is from the experienced players minority group - they wanted at this stage in game's life a more niche character with further useful traits and probably slightly demanding special game-play, more "originality" to the character. Instead they got Wilson 2.0 without beard insulation but with 1/2 crafting times (not truly that beneficial) and an item seen by many as just a cheaper duplicate (for Sewing Kit) - yet great for Cave-only runs. Also the way Winona was introduced in the story didn't really added anything for DS/T lore, sort of it.. just happened. This is a summary of main issues with said character, hope it shed some light for you. Cheers! Yeah i never get this, how come a new character for DST, never get a chance to become the premier after we solve the puzzle that come with it? She just pop out, with no one asking where she came from, and just sitting there. It really bother me because she's a huge plothole to the story, and she never seen along side Wilson and the gangs when the events happen. No one question her, no animation about it, no comic, no puzzle, no secret and the worst part is the story goes on without making her relevant at all. , She has absolutely no point in existing in the game itself. The only thing she got for herself is, She's Charlie's sister and she work on a factory that created the radio. That's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
co.op Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 2 hours ago, xxVERSUSxy said: They most likely are a beginner - and from that standpoint their arguments make sense, as Winona is newbie-oriented/friendly. You too were a beginner at some point so have a bit of sympathy - not everyone is just a "tbh" spam semi-troll nihilist. As for OP: main issue with Winona is from the experienced players minority group - they wanted at this stage in game's life a more niche character with further useful traits and probably slightly demanding special game-play, more "originality" to the character. Instead they got Wilson 2.0 without beard insulation but with 1/2 crafting times (not truly that beneficial) and an item seen by many as just a cheaper duplicate (for Sewing Kit) - yet great for Cave-only runs. Also the way Winona was introduced in the story didn't really added anything for DS/T lore, sort of it.. just happened. This is a summary of main issues with said character, hope it shed some light for you. Cheers! :c lemme be funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap Point Posted July 7, 2018 Author Share Posted July 7, 2018 4 hours ago, xxVERSUSxy said: They most likely are a beginner - and from that standpoint their arguments make sense, as Winona is newbie-oriented/friendly. You too were a beginner at some point so have a bit of sympathy - not everyone is just a "tbh" spam semi-troll nihilist. As for OP: main issue with Winona is from the experienced players minority group - they wanted at this stage in game's life a more niche character with further useful traits and probably slightly demanding special game-play, more "originality" to the character. Instead they got Wilson 2.0 without beard insulation but with 1/2 crafting times (not truly that beneficial) and an item seen by many as just a cheaper duplicate (for Sewing Kit) - yet great for Cave-only runs. Also the way Winona was introduced in the story didn't really added anything for DS/T lore, sort of it.. just happened. This is a summary of main issues with said character, hope it shed some light for you. Cheers! That actually helped a lot. Gameplay wise, I understand pretty much everything you said; lore wise, I'm sure they'll release something on her eventually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Szczuku Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 4 hours ago, DarithD said: *Winona and the lore* Yea I agree. Developers really should've made some animation or puzzle about her. Even character quotes don't have anything interesting just "Hello". I'd expect at least Maxwell to have something interesting to say about her... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindkontrol Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 I have to agree that Winona really is only valuable for a really new player. Her perks really don't bring anything to the table for later play. If you compare her to some of the real stars, Wickerbottom, Wolfgang, Wigfrid (The big W's) her abilities are very lackluster. I would highly recommend trying out WickerB, her access to crafting recipes without needing a Science Machine make early game so much easier. You can make a backpack day 1 for instance. Wolfgang is just OP in general, his only real downfall is a much greater need for food. I personally have been playing Wigfrid, and find her to be a very powerful contender. Once you have some crockpots her food restrictions fade into minor annoyance, and I have to work to LOSE sanity, as long as I am killing things regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuffles Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 The thing is, I don't hate her but she seems weird, who ever uses tape to fixe clothes is beyond me and the lack of a downside is also a downer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axxel Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 I think Winona is pretty good as a standard character. I agree she should had been introduced in a more suitable way, like a brief moment in the ANR trailer. Gameplaywise, since I main Willow and don't rely on more powerful abilities she is pretty decent in the basics (newcomer fiendly). I don't mind new abilities and powers. Since I thought she technically gifted I was surprised she couldn't repair tools with her tape. Like Wilson she isn't that good like Wilson that she doesn't need a negative trait. I'm ok with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spideswine Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 On 7/7/2018 at 3:18 PM, Maslak said: Strong pros and strong cons characters WX-78 Pick one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterPockets Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 I also think alot of ppl here are salty their fanfic character Milson the shadowy scientist was not included Or Mendy the undead twin XD Sorry i could go on, it reminds me of the sonic fanbase they just change sonic's color green and making look edgy with some sunglasses and you have an ORIGINAL character XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maslak Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 1 hour ago, spideswine said: Pick one. Yep, I've mentioned that said downsides existing or not is different kind of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maradyne Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 mostly because the character was discovered so long ago and so hyped up, then released with a whisper and a roll of duct tape that doesn't eve n work on armor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali Bun Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 She's literally not even there. She feels like she doesn't belong there and her specialties legit means nothing. If her tape at least fied armour then she would be a bit better, but she literally has no reason to be there and sadly Klei hasn't gave us one so its really hard to care about her honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extant Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 I must admit that I am fairly new to DST and I wasn't around when Winona was released. My view of this will lack actual experience regarding her teaser/release, but I guess I will also be somewhat unbiased I suppose. Do I think Winona has the best benefits? No. Do I think she has the best personality? That's subjective but I like her. Do I think she has no purpose in DST? Definitely no. She most certainly has a point. For this segment, I'll be taking the big assumption as to what the Klei developers originally intended for her role to be. Everyone considers Winona to be Wilson 2.0. That much I agree with and was most likely intended. As much as I am fond of Wilson (who holds a special place in my heart as my first DS character), some people may want to start out with a female beginner character. As a beginner character, she fills the part very well. Her perks are 1 free hit from Charlie, faster at crafting things, and having a cheaper sewing kit. All 3 of these do their job at helping newcomers to survive longer. Many new players often die to darkness and continue to do so even after they learn about light sources (as they require practice and experience to always have a light source available as well as factoring in how long the nights are versus fuel left). Being able to survive the 1st hit and have time to find/make a light source is a mirror to how Willow was unlocked first after Wilson. Another thing a lot of new players die to is not having proper equips at the moment a tough situation occurs. Examples of this would be a torch at night, armor/weapon when attacked by hounds, or having armor breaking during a fight. I have seen so many YouTube videos where people do not bring sufficient supplies to certain scenarios and get killed because they are attempting to build but get interrupted. Thus the increased crafting speed was likely made to remedy this. Lastly, her cheaper sewing kit is the reflection to Wilson's beard. While Wilson did not have to do anything to have some preparation for Winter when it occurs, Winona's sewing kit helps newer players to keep their winter clothing going for those who do not know about the sewing kit/aren't skilled enough yet to get silk/hound's teeth. With all these factors in mind, I believe she is the perfect female counterpart to Wilson which Klei obviously worked on to provide to the DST community. Of course, as far as highly experienced players go, none of her perks truly offer much to bring excitement to the table which is no doubt what a lot of the veterans of DST was expecting when she was revealed from my understanding. With such hype surrounding a character that was meant for beginners, of course there will be a huge disappointment among the older players. Should Winona be changed in my opinion? That depends. It would be amazing if each character had perks/benefits that applied to both beginners and experts alike, but that is a far cry from how nearly all of the characters of DST are right now. I think she's fine as is as far as the current character builds go. If they ever decide to re-balance some characters to make them suited to both new and old players, then Winona definitely needs attention as well. She could've been handled better, but she could've been handled much worse, too. Those are just the thoughts coming from a newer member of the DST community however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakhnish Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 On 7/9/2018 at 3:11 PM, Extant said: I must admit that I am fairly new to DST and I wasn't around when Winona was released. My view of this will lack actual experience regarding her teaser/release, but I guess I will also be somewhat unbiased I suppose. I can provide some insight to the reaction of Winona regarding her teaser/release by me and the circle of friends I played with (mainly me) as someone who had been playing for a little bit. It's important to note that Winona was not the only thing being announced in September 2017. She was coupled with a few other major announcements. The Hamlet DLC, with weird plant monsters and an aristocratic pig, an expansion to the Shipwrecked DLC, and of course, the Forge. As you can imagine, the news brought great excitement. Now as for Winona, the discovery process went something like this for a few hours. ~~~ A new character? What can she do? What are her perks/unique ability? See her description. "The Handywoman: is a skilled builder, gets one free hit from the dark, brings her own tools." Skilled builder? What does that mean? Oh, she crafts things faster. A free hit from the dark? Free hit from Charlie I guess? Brings her own tools? What are her tools? Duct tape? What does that do, repair armor? That'd be broken if it could. What, only clothes? So a cheap sewing kit? Cool. ~~~ On 7/9/2018 at 3:11 PM, Extant said: With all these factors in mind, I believe she is the perfect female counterpart to Wilson which Klei obviously worked on to provide to the DST community. I agree. You also mentioned that feeling that she was Wilson 2.0, which was what I was feeling at the time. Some time has passed since then, so my current view of Winona is that if you're new to the game, she's the female counterpart to Wilson, but you'll probably still die to Charlie if you don't have a torch for the first night. Once you've got your torch but still haven't got used to taking it out when it hits night, you have some extra leeway with that free hit. Her duck tape? Meh. Once they get a backpack, they probably are not going to wear clothes for the chest slot and it'll be a while till they hit winter. In the meantime, I can't think of an item that they would want to repair while getting to winter, and that's only if they figured out what the duct tape does. For more experienced players, I guess if you're building a big base or long roads, the crafting time is cut down for you. All in all, her announcement alongside the other more exciting news as well as not bringing some new synergy to the array of characters to the time brought disappointment within my circle. Hopes this provides insight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gasil Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 So, I know it's a bit taboo and all that, but I have to confess it:I don't use Thermal Stones for winter. I use Breezy Vests and Earmuffs. That being said, I really like Winona's Ductape for that reason, that and being able to craft stuff on the go in mid-fight. But sure I wish she could build pig houses and other structures with a less -50% materials or something like that; something more buildy related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedregales Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Oh, Winona. The chaos amidst the order. The order that brings chaos... I gotta say: I love the character's personality, design, and her faster crafting perk. Everything else though? Not much. But why? Well, there are many reasons to get a dislike on this character... She does not add anything. She crafts faster; nothing extraordinary, just more efficient; it's just slightly more convenient than Webber's silk beard (but hey, Webber's got more traits to explore). We can already fix clothes with sewing kit even if duct tape is more convenient (40 possible uses in 1 item slot vs 5 uses in 1 item slot, plus much cheaper to craft). And darkness damage is easy to avoid in most cases if you prepare just a bit (also, if you have seen the animation of how Charlie attacks the characters, it is kind of weird how Winona can "avoid" that). She brings nothing new or interesting when compared to all other characters (and I mean, Wes doesn't either, but he is the "challenge" character), and to top it all: she has no weaknesses. She could have lost sanity when close to fires due to her traumatic experience/s with it, or something, but oh well. She is just kinda... there? I mean, she is Charlie's sister, but that's more or less about it. Nothing more. She is in a kind of limbo because she is this sort of important character that somehow is not important at all (I mean, she is connected to at least 2 very important characters: Charlie and Maxwell). Political correctness and pandering. I won't go too deep in this because I don't want to cause... mayhem. But she seems to have been added to pander to a very specific demographic: her portrait pose, title, attire, and even overall backstory, seems to resonate with a group that right now is rather controversial. Not a team-player on a multi-player game. With Winona being the first character released exclusively for DST, a multi-player game, you would have expected her to be more "team-focused". But the only thing that makes her a team-player is when she can craft things for her team-mates (but in most cases is more efficient that they craft the items themselves), and that's it; because the duct tape's function is not truly exclusive to Winona considering the sewing kit exist, and the free hit from darkness only applies to her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landromat Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 6 hours ago, Gasil Grinds said: So, I know it's a bit taboo and all that, but I have to confess it:I don't use Thermal Stones for winter. I use Breezy Vests and Earmuffs. That being said, I really like Winona's Ductape for that reason, that and being able to craft stuff on the go in mid-fight. But sure I wish she could build pig houses and other structures with a less -50% materials or something like that; something more buildy related. you can repair Thermal stone too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamscape18459 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 12 hours ago, Gasil Grinds said: But sure I wish she could build pig houses and other structures with a less -50% materials or something like that; something more buildy related. This has the potential to be completely overpowered, especially if it stacks with the construction amulet (For 75% cheaper or potentially free pig houses.) If it doesn't stack with the amulet its an interesting concept but I think it would be hard to implement. I don't think its possible for characters to have a generic recipe changed as a unique bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myxal Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 On 7/7/2018 at 2:18 PM, Maslak said: It's a good choice for caves-only servers, where teeth are unavailable. Nit-pick: Non-renewable, not unavailable. https://dontstarve.wikia.com/wiki/Bones I'll be making a dapper vest to take the edge off the constant sanity drain, at least until Winter's Feast rolls around and hopefully I get the Tam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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