One more to go ?

[Random Guy000]

I mean, the only character that this note might be referencing that would make some sense is Woodie, since we got no backstory info from his refresh(although his cabin seems to be fine in Walter's short, if it is actually his cabin). Or you know, Willow herself

[douan33]

it means you

[sudoku]

2 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

maybe he knows that wicker is attached to her library books and that she doesnt have any deep desire so will be hard to trick her with "wanna something that you dont want?"

wicker doesnt look as "selfish", "egocentric", "insecure" or "desesperate" (between quotes because is an oversimplification for the example) as wilson, wigfrid, wolfgang or weeber. Maxwell used human weaknesses and wicker's weakness was her books

Yes Maxwell isnt physically in the outside world so hes using Willow to have a physical presence. 

[Eggsterminator]

 

1 hour ago, Paribean said:

 

Well, we seem to be forgetting about a few characters who weren't pulled into the constant on screen.

Let's rule them out.

Wolfgang - He was already enamoured by the power he got from William's book, this obviously persuaded him to go after the man, to regain back that power, considering this happened in 1904, by canon knowledge (That each of te survivors started appearing after 1910) it took him about 6 years at least to find the mysterious man. Which concludes, he's out of the question to be "The last one to go"

Wendy - Wendy felt depressed and desperate after losing her sister. We could tell from her Vignette, that she took to precarious measures to see her again, (that's when she started hearing ragtime in her dreams, as her diary suggests.)  Considering her situation, she's most likely also out.

Webber is also out, he broke into his father's study room and caused his own fate, then Maxwell interviened partially off-screen and made it worse.

All of the others, except one character were shown to either get there differently than most, or have lived there from the beginning.

That's right, it could possibly be referring to Woodie, (who's backstory was completely skipped, as interesting as that is) Especially if that firefighter did turn out to be him. (Klei does like putting these tiny details, after all) It could be quite possible actually, considering some of his quotes suggest that he was pulled in later than some of the others.

That or it was in fact Willow herself.

 

[minespatch]

I'm going to throw my cap: Wilson. 

Though we might finally get Maxwell lore. I'm also hyped if Woodie gets a new short to rectify tree's a crowd(Even though that one is fun).

[Random Guy000]

2 minutes ago, minespatch said:

I'm going to throw my cap: Wilson. 

Don't we already have a "Wilson short" that shows how he ended up in the constant?

[minespatch]

7 minutes ago, Random Guy000 said:

Don't we already have a "Wilson short" that shows how he ended up in the constant?

Not talking about shorts, I mean as in the timeline. Wilson was the last of the survivors to be pulled in.

[Szczuku]

Maybe it's not Maxwell who's using Willow. Maybe They (as in the shadow elder gods They) are using Shadow Creatures as a medium to communicate (other than The Funny Book) with regular world. And in this case it's Willow as They quite literally had her in Their grasp since she was a child.

[Pig Princess]

Would be cool if "one more to go" was about Maxwell himself. From the narrative point of the story.

It's unlikely, since Willow was still not in the constant, but if she appeared to be dragged into constant by shadows themselves, not by Maxwell (she saw them very clearly after all, which almost looks like she was more sensitive to Constant's connection to the real world than any other character)... There is also Wilson, but I don't remember any proof of theory about him being last survivior (if it exists, I would like to learn about it); Maxwell though was pulled into the constant as a survivior very late as can be seen from the puzzles. So questions are: does "one more to go" refer to last kidnapped or last arrived person and when did Wanda come to the constant in relation to other survivior's arrival?

[Mike23Ua]

37 minutes ago, Eggsterminator said:

 

Well, we seem to be forgetting about a few characters who weren't pulled into the constant on screen.

Let's rule them out.

Wolfgang - He was already enamoured by the power he got from William's book, this obviously persuaded him to go after the man, to regain back that power, considering this happened in 1904, by canon knowledge (That each of te survivors started appearing after 1910) it took him about 6 years at least to find the mysterious man. Which concludes, he's out of the question to be "The last one to go"

Wendy - Wendy felt depressed and desperate after losing her sister. We could tell from her Vignette, that she took to precarious measures to see her again, (that's when she started hearing ragtime in her dreams, as her diary suggests.)  Considering her situation, she's most likely also out.

Webber is also out, he broke into his father's study room and caused his own fate, then Maxwell interviened partially off-screen and made it worse.

All of the others, except one character were shown to either get there differently than most, or have lived there from the beginning.

That's right, it could possibly be referring to Woodie, (who's backstory was completely skipped, as interesting as that is) Especially if that firefighter did turn out to be him. (Klei does like putting these tiny details, after all) It could be quite possible actually, considering some of his quotes suggest that he was pulled in later than some of the others.

That or it was in fact Willow herself.

 

It’s important to note that Woodies “Lore” has been special, by not having ANY in his own Animated Short, while having bits and pieces scattered about in other characters shorts (Walter) So it is highly possible the Firefighter we see in the Wickerbottom Trailer is Woodie- he does Carry a Blood Red Axe (Lucy) that resembles a fire axe after all.

[lakhnish]

14 minutes ago, Random Guy000 said:

Don't we already have a "Wilson short" that shows how he ended up in the constant?

Yes 

1 hour ago, dois raios said:

Didnt a dev confirmed that the guy winona was trying to save in her animated short was wagstaff?

  Also yes. That dev stream is somewhere on youtube.

39 minutes ago, Eggsterminator said:

That's right, it could possibly be referring to Woodie, (who's backstory was completely skipped, as interesting as that is) Especially if that firefighter did turn out to be him. (Klei does like putting these tiny details, after all) It could be quite possible actually, considering some of his quotes suggest that he was pulled in later than some of the others.

I highly doubt its Woodie since he's in Canada and from Walter's compendium, its heavily implied that Woodie disappeared through the Voxola Radio found in his cabin, not through a fire. Also, just cause a fire fighter has a cool stash shouldn't automatically mean it's Woodie (it could be but I highly doubt it).
 

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While searching for a man who Walter believed would have answers to his questions about a mysterious creature rumored to live in the woods, he instead came upon an abandoned cabin. The owner seemed to have left hastily, leaving all their belongings behind... including an odd radio that miraculously still seemed to be working.

 

[goblinball]

The possibility of maxwell being the last one implies that the nightmare creatures have a pencil and paper somewhere and can, in fact, write English.

im imagining a terror beak trying to hold a pencil in its mouth rn and honestly I hope this is true

[blacknight7890]

1 minute ago, Szczuku said:

And in this case it's Willow as They quite literally had her in Their grasp since she was a child.

That's actuall an interesting point, why are They so interested in willow? They attacked her when she was a child, which possibly led to her pyromania, and now have her burning down buildings for them. Time works funny between the real world and the constant, so They might be working retroactively. Like They knew she would be useful to them in the future, so They caused her grief in the past to mold her into the correct person They needed.

Makes you wonder if the survivors aren't just random suckers, but instead nearly everyone was cherry picked for a specific purpose, then carefully and subtly driven into a deal with the devil to get them into the constant to fulfill that purpose. What that purpose is, we have yet to see, but I fear that They are playing a long con that will likely cause some serious chaos later, maybe even to what's currently happening with the moon.

[Pig Princess]

1 hour ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

maybe he knows that wicker is attached to her library books and that she doesnt have any deep desire so will be hard to trick her with "wanna something that you dont want?"

I think Wickerbottom just found some information about constant (as hinted by pictures of shadows and hound) and Maxwell didn't want anyone from the outside to learn too much: neither about shadows and it's power, nor about Constant itself without his permission and on his rules, let alone potentially being able to influence Constant from outside or rival his king status of that world. Even if those possible concerns (especially last ones) may seem unreasonable to sane person, Maxwell was both controlled by shadows (or whatever entity is referred as "them"), greedy to power and at the same time power seems like psychological crutch to him that he may very well be afraid to loose.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

3 minutes ago, Pig Princess said:

I think Wickerbottom just found some information about constant (as hinted by pictures of shadows and hound) and Maxwell didn't want anyone from the outside to learn too much: neither about shadows and it's power, nor about Constant itself without his permission and on his rules, let alone potentially being able to influence Constant from outside or rival his king status of that world. Even if those possible concerns (especially last ones) may seem unreasonable to sane person, Maxwell was both controlled by shadows (or whatever entity is referred as "them"), greedy to power and at the same time power seems like psychological crutch to him that he may very well be afraid to loose.

i can see that coming from Them, maybe the shadow forces dont want "witness" but lets remember that Maxwell teached Wilson how to create a "backdoor" to the throne (or maybe is just a lore inconsistency because maxwell actually tried to stop wilson and was the 1st DS trailer)

[Pig Princess]

39 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

i can see that coming from Them, maybe the shadow forces dont want "witness" but lets remember that Maxwell teached Wilson how to create a "backdoor" to the throne (or maybe is just a lore inconsistency because maxwell actually tried to stop wilson and was the 1st DS trailer)

Maxwell in general made conflicting decisions on nightmare trone: on one hand, he tried to kill Wilson in Adventure Mode with harsh weather and hostile creatures, but on the other he gave good enough starter items and even put his own signature lights to help in Darkness chapter as well as lots of fireflies, plus it looked like he was relieved/didn't care much about not being able to stop Wilson in the end. But most importantly, during his reign he seems to have nearly complete control over the world he makes, yet he doesn't make efficient decisions to kill/stop Wilson for sure like making first world permanent night, spawning a few bishops at spawn, making world with 2 completely separate islands or not spawning portal parts/door to the AM.

Maxwell gave Wilson knowledge, but he also made sure Wilson entered constant, so in the end that knowledge didn't leave Constant and victim was pulled there on Maxwell's terms. Also it was door to the constant, not to the trone room, wasn't it?

[ArubaroBeefalo]

15 minutes ago, Pig Princess said:

Maxwell in general made conflicting decisions on nightmare trone: on one hand, he tried to kill Wilson in Adventure Mode with harsh weather and hostile creatures, but on the other he gave good enough starter items and even put his own signature lights to help in Darkness chapter as well as lots of fireflies, plus it looked like he was relieved/didn't care much about not being able to stop Wilson in the end. But most importantly, during his reign he seems to have nearly complete control over the world he makes, yet he doesn't make efficient decisions to kill/stop Wilson for sure like making first world permanent night, spawning a few bishops at spawn, making world with 2 completely separate islands or not spawning portal parts/door to the AM.

Maxwell gave Wilson knowledge, but he also made sure Wilson entered constant, so in the end that knowledge didn't leave Constant and victim was pulled there on Maxwell's terms. Also it was door to the constant, not to the trone room, wasn't it?

i guess is he wanted to play with his preys before killing them, no?

and, if we take the old video context, yes, the door was made to go to the constant because maxwell was only able to talk via the radio but there are inconsistencies in that even without taking in count new lore pieces. If wilson made the door why there was already fallen survivors? why, atleast gameplay wise, weeber was already death? And if we take in count the new pieces it makes even less sense with how max was able to trap wigfrid and wicker without the machine and (im not sure about timeline) before making the deal with wilson. I would have sense if wilson was 1st tricked survivor and gave to maxwell the ability to cross the dimensions with the door. The door to reach the throne was the door made by wilson in the trailer so 1) maybe klei was using it just because is a door and they didnt though about future lore or 2) max made wilson create the backdoor to be released from the throne (or maybe 1 but something like 2 will be used to fit it into the new lore)

btw, wilson didnt cross the door in the trailer, some hands came from the floor and trapped him when he pulled the handle of the door (which can be just an artwork change)

[Erineyes7]

So from what I understand, Maxwell easily got Willow to help him by simply striking a deal that the nightmares would stop chasing her.

But as for who's left? Well we can eliminate a lot of the cast right off the list. Leaving our prime suspects of Wilson, Willow, and Woodie shockingly, but what if it's not a playable character? 

Mr. Rutherford comes to mind, as one who Max has failed to pull in before,  he could definitely use the pressure from fire to lure him in for another deal. Perhaps threatening his daughter.

Wagstaff is another big one, as someone who's been toying with the constant, surely he'd want him to stop poking around the constant if that's why he stopped Wicker.

It's all so confusing, with so many pieces that just oddly don't fit together. If I can I'll try and make a follow up post that's more coherent, I just hope people open their minds and think outside playable characters.

[LiamAshvinn001]

Could be someone we dont even know, there are failed survivors in the constant after all

[cropo]

It's still possible that it is Wilson since he made a portal into the constant, having Willow set it on fire and then jump into it herself as it all burns down to make sure no one else can get in.

 

We know from her loading-screen description that she actually wanted to be in the constant and is happy about it.

 

If Willow doesn't burn down the portal, any random person could enter into it, Wagstaff could study it, or the military could send in entire expeditions of armed forces to steal whatever they can.

 

Logically, the portal must be burned down to make sense. When Willow examines the portal in Singleplayer, she says ''Maybe that leads home''. Why would she say that? Because she entered the constant by going into it so she probably assumes it would also lead her out of it.

 

Woodie and Willow are the only characters who think it might ''lead home''. Wilson only says ''I'm not sure I want to fall for that a second time'', so because he also entered the constant this way he considers it ''might'' lead back home but is skeptical. Every other character is either eager to ''go on adventure'' or is scared of the door as if they had never seen it.

 

 

We can possibly make a further assumption and guess that Willow might even be somewhat immune to being pulled into the constant traditionally. Something is definitely weird about her, she works best when she is insane and the devs deliberately made her power impossible to use on the Lunar Island. On that note, this would explain why Maxwell forced Wilson to make a portal to the constant, instead of just pulling Wilson in like everyone else, he needed him to give Willow a way in.

 

 

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btw, wilson didnt cross the door in the trailer, some hands came from the floor and trapped him when he pulled the handle of the door (which can be just an artwork change)

This is how players enter the door ingame as well when they interact with it.

[Cassielu]

A quick theory: Willow wasn't pushed around by Maxwell.

First of all, we all know that Maxwell and Willow don't have any special quote. And Maxwell is a very proud and arrogant person. Instead of using his own image and voice, he sends a Terrorbeak to Willow to send a letter, which is not consistent with his usual means.

Second, the mastermind told Willow "One More to go," which I think suggests that the mastermind was deliberately picking certain people into The Constant. That's what's Maxwell doesn't have, he seems to be looking for victims at random.

Third, Maxwell isn't the only shadow magic user trying to bring people to The Constant. Remember the mysterious entity that made a deal with Wanda, in Wandas backstory shot was that she was being hunted by various shadow creatures, this mysterious guy prefers to send ordinary shadow creatures rather than go out personally.

[Cheggf]

The terror beak is telling her how many refreshes are left this year. She's as excited as we are. 

[lakhnish]

4 hours ago, Cassielu said:

A quick theory: Willow wasn't pushed around by Maxwell

I agree with this too.

The thing with Maxwell is that he almost always shows up on Earth only if there's a Voxola device present (which it is in Wicker's secret library) and usually entices the characters into the constant with the (usually) false promise of giving them something they want, which even happens with this short.

You can even hear the radio tuning sound on this short if you listen closely.

There's also the fact that in Willow's short, we didn't see Maxwell but we instead a terrorbeak chasing Willow and we have no clue what that Terrorbeak did in that room she was thrown into other than her awakening to her pyro powers.

We also know that with Wanda, she's being chased by the nightmares because she's cheating on her deal that she made with whatever shadow entity she made a deal with. Again, we don't see Maxwell in her short and we know for a fact that Wanda enters the constant after the gateway arc (her examines for the forge and gorge winter's feast ornaments confirms this).

Willow is at the very least cooperating with the the terrorbeak and assuming we think the Terrorbeaks are indeed the Ancients, maybe even cooperating with whatever the true nature of the shadow entity is, making it not specifically be have to be Maxwell.

[PunkShark]

We don't technically know what went down in the factory but we know Maxwell has used Wagstaff's stuff like the voxola radio to take people into the constant as well as stealing a lot of his work for his own benefits. If Maxwell is trying to hide the evidence of the constant and its magical properties Wagstaff would be a key-factor in that for certain, and then remove the traces off the radio and the people who have em (Warly, Woodie, Wilson) and this would explain why he would take these people specifically
It just doesn't seem to be Willow in this case cause it looks like what broke down the factory was the portal itself (a recurring theme it seems)
Unless somehow Willow was in that room when it happened, because she was teleported in there by Maxwell or something but that's such a shot in the dark. It just doesn't quite add up.

[HowlVoid]

17 hours ago, sudoku said:

Its probably Wilson. 

Wilson was the last to enter the constant of the original survivors. 

I also think it's Wilson, he needs someone to destroy the portal he creates afterwards after all. 

She probably burned his house down to the ground.