Voting to kick/rollback on public servers needs a change

[flamboyant wolf]

16 hours ago, Gashzer said:

Its a public server that no one owns? Why even build a serious base when everyone knows it wont last? If you get salty over losing public server bases, go make a private world.

 

So, let's do a silly analogy. Would you justify some random person breaking a sandcastle another person is building?

I mean, castle won't last anyway, it would collapse sooner or later, and the beach doesn't belong to the person building the castle, not like there's a sign specifically telling people not to break other people's sandcastles.

yet, somehow, this behavior seems not quite right, is it?

[Wonz]

Everything that is possible to make griefing harder should also be a thing. Even disable ability to set base structures on fire with torch or anything.  When was the last time you've benefited from setting structures on fire? I can only think of signs and tackle receptacle and then hammering the to get 100% mats back in winter, portable tree for burning. But winter is easy as it is, just annoying.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

22 hours ago, Gashzer said:

You're right, it does need to be changed. The voting system should be removed all together. You do not own that 70day base. You do not own that server.

Unpopular opinion but until klei comes out and clarifies what the rules are for their public server then that willow has every right to burn that base to the ground.

that would be true in a world where common sense doesnt exist

[. . .]

add locks and key for containers protect your item from theft and add world option which is on for public server to disable fire spreading and being able to burn player made structure and item.

griefing is no more.

[Capybara007]

im glad that they got rid of the madness world setting

my guess is that they intended that setting to be used by people that enjoy chaos and griefing, without taking in consideration that a griefer only has fun when others arent, thats how nobody used that world setting

they still do a bad job when it comes to griefers though, the eye of terror mechanic is still the same a year after its introduction and it sucks it hasnt been changed yet

they have maybe too many to-do lists for the next year that i dont know if what they want is to stop more content development to keep upgrading public servers, just like they did with character reworks

[Monki Banan]

There really needs to be an option to rollback more than just one day because I've been seeing griefers getting smarter by torching bases right before the next day when the world saves. At that point the damage ends up becoming irreversible since everyone doesn't vote fast enough.

[Cheggf]

4 hours ago, . . . said:

add locks and key for containers protect your item from theft and add world option which is on for public server to disable fire spreading and being able to burn player made structure and item.

griefing is no more.

There's mods to do that.

[Capybara007]

locks will not solve absolutely anything, chests will still be able to be destroyed with hammers, and even if you make them not breakable griefers will put something important in the chest like a panflute or an eyebone and lock it so nobody can get it

[dzzydzzy]

I once played on a dedicated server that had a mod that I think was intended for anti-griefer protection but totally ruined the game for us since players weren't able to hammer  structures (even if you were the player who built it) so one misplaced crockpot that could never be altered was very frustrating. It also punished players for trying to hammer structures with draining their hunger and keeping the structure invincible.

I agree with what someone said about removing burning capabilities to structures- So much unintentional griefing happens when someone forgets they are holding a fire staff and clicks on anything ((WHY IS THE LEFT CLICK STILL THE DEFAULT FOR THIS STAFF???)) And if one needed to move a structure just use a hammer, there's no reason to burn it before doing so. But even so one could plant a sapling next to anything in order to ignite whatever they'd like. 

Destruction is not the only form of griefing either. Much more insidious is when a new player shows up and grabs some pigskin from a chest and dc's whether that's malicious or ignorant, doesn't matter you're still without the skin they grabbed. Not to mention boss items. There's also people wasting tent uses, and crafting unnecessary items in abundance (some people be making therm stones en masse on day 12 and drop em right next to a fire pit). The list goes on and on. What sucks even more than it happening is that even on your own hosted server without the use of mods, it's nearly impossible to prevent these things once they happen. The only power you have without learning the commands and keeping them on a clipboard is to kick/ban, which you wouldn't want to do once they've got stolen goods in their inventory.

[Captain_Rage]

1 hour ago, dzzydzzy said:

I once played on a dedicated server that had a mod that I think was intended for anti-griefer protection but totally ruined the game for us since players weren't able to hammer  structures (even if you were the player who built it) so one misplaced crockpot that could never be altered was very frustrating. It also punished players for trying to hammer structures with draining their hunger and keeping the structure invincible.

I agree with what someone said about removing burning capabilities to structures- So much unintentional griefing happens when someone forgets they are holding a fire staff and clicks on anything ((WHY IS THE LEFT CLICK STILL THE DEFAULT FOR THIS STAFF???)) And if one needed to move a structure just use a hammer, there's no reason to burn it before doing so. But even so one could plant a sapling next to anything in order to ignite whatever they'd like. 

Destruction is not the only form of griefing either. Much more insidious is when a new player shows up and grabs some pigskin from a chest and dc's whether that's malicious or ignorant, doesn't matter you're still without the skin they grabbed. Not to mention boss items. There's also people wasting tent uses, and crafting unnecessary items in abundance (some people be making therm stones en masse on day 12 and drop em right next to a fire pit). The list goes on and on. What sucks even more than it happening is that even on your own hosted server without the use of mods, it's nearly impossible to prevent these things once they happen. The only power you have without learning the commands and keeping them on a clipboard is to kick/ban, which you wouldn't want to do once they've got stolen goods in their inventory.

Any "anti-griefing" measures can be abused and used for griefing. That is the crux of the matter and why these threads are utterly pointless. Thanks for pointing that out.

Plus in practice it makes little difference whether somebody joins a public server and torches a base due to being completely new and clueless to the game or due to malice. People will get equally annoyed anyway, even though the first scenario is about getting to know and experiencing the game, even if others happen to suffer while playing together (for better or worse - well, probably worse, in this case).

[Falkenpelz]

I will say this again and again, a good solution is the mod that publicly announces destructive behavior like burning objects. If it's a bunch of evergreens, no one bats an eye, but if your read that the alchemy engine is being torched, you get to immediately ask in chat what the heck is going on and can then decide to ban or reroll. This is also possible with few people on the server if that server has moderators who can be called in. Of course for Klei it is an unrealistic job to get a mod to babysit every single of their servers, so this remains more a dedicated hobby/community thing, but it is definitely possible.

Also, for the people saying griefing is not a bad thing when there are no rules, unless specified differently, destroying stuff others worked on is generally bad from the perspective of common sense. When the game advertises destroying other players, then good, thats the goal. But Klei literally heavily promotes the "Together" part of the game. So if you want an "anything goes"-server in a cooperative game, you have to specify it. Otherwise, you're just being mean and ruining the fun for those, who want to play cooperative.

[Mx-Pain]

Why do you want to play in public servers to begin with ?

[. . .]

23 hours ago, Cheggf said:

There's mods to do that.

was just giving some example to defend against griefing which can fit into the game. though personally i have no problems with griefing when i play public servers i know anything i make wont last, that's what playing any online survival game teach me over the years and it's fine to me.

[RetRunt]

10 hours ago, Mx-Pain said:

Why do you want to play in public servers to begin with ?

Because they always have players, and servers are not modded. You can't even browse for servers without filters, because you get hit with a million servers from China and Russia.

 

[_zwb]

On 12/28/2022 at 11:35 PM, Mx-Pain said:

Why do you want to play in public servers to begin with ?

because my pc can't handle mutiplayer gaming and I want to hang out, meet some new players, and explore different ways to play the game.

[ShadowDuelist]

In public unmoderated servers it’s an untold rule to consider the griefers part of the game. Just like deerclops came and destroyed your base the first time you reached winter, except that griefers are smarter than deerclops (barely), and you never know when they are going to attack.

If you play smart (hide your base, hide base markers, don’t take strangers into main base, plant decoy bases, make your base really hard for griefers to reach it) your base will survive for a long long time.

Most griefers usually suck at the game so if they have a hard time finding your base, or they burn what they believe to be the main base, they will leave (or die). If you make friends along the way, you can also kick the griefers when you see them burning bases or stuff for no reason.

For the megabase friendly, decorate the whole world kinda server you have to play in a private server, or a server with present admins.

TL;DR: Griefers are part of the game in pubs. Play smart or play private.

[00petar00]

When I used to play on public servers like that and I wanted to go out of my way to keep my base as safe as possible, I would just build in caves. 

There's really no reason to play on klei pubs, if all the players that play on klei servers actually joined some community servers they would be much better off. Why do so many people seem to keep joining klei pubs for some reason when there are quite a few options out there.

You can even add server owners on steam and discuss with them if you have any issues, a lot of community servers have discord servers too. It is so much better to play on moderated servers.

There have been a lot of endless community servers with myhome and ownership mods and if all that fails, you can always contact the owner. The issue is that so few players actually play on them and no one else will join a server that has 0 players on with high day count and is modded.

There is also community survival servers that don't have these mods but are moderated yet not many people play on them either, only some specific ones.

Over the last couple of years, I'd say a lot of the communities have died off and there is a chance they would still exist if they had more players, there's not enough support and it seems really illogical to me how so many people keep coming back to klei pubs and deal with griefers when they don't have to and they just make the problem worse as everyone will play on servers that have more players.

[Toroic]

Expecting a persistent experience and playing public servers are fundamentally incompatible.

Unless someone is doing a marathon session, most official servers reset shortly after winter starts.  You will 100% lose that base either today or tomorrow.

Griefers are annoying, sure, but the only value in official servers is to find cool people to play private servers with.  Expecting more than that is just going to end in disappointment.

[Atkvin]

On 12/28/2022 at 10:53 PM, Falkenpelz said:

I will say this again and again, a good solution is the mod that publicly announces destructive behavior like burning objects. If it's a bunch of evergreens, no one bats an eye, but if your read that the alchemy engine is being torched, you get to immediately ask in chat what the heck is going on and can then decide to ban or reroll.

Then people could just grief another way by spamming the chat by setting pinecones on fire one by one or something. Or use smoldering to bypass the alarm and set fire to a base anyways. I don't see how it'd be greatly beneficial, unfortunately.

And what everyone already said @ the topic. You need to go into pubs with the expectation that your progress is completely temporary and other players may grief unintentionally/very intentionally.

There's definitely a line they cross, like the group I made a topic on that was legit squatting on several official public servers doing nothing but refreshing the world over and over, and endlessly votekicking anyone from joining, which is when I very much feel like Klei needs to step in - but otherwise giving more tools to moderate public servers can be just as likely to backfire and be used to grief and mess with players using those same tools.

[Parusoid]

How hard is it to play community based server and not public ones where literally everyone can enter and do anything without any sort of Anit griffin control from the owners 

[minespatch]

16 hours ago, Parusoid said:

Anit griffin

a what?

[Spirit Glow]

What exactly do u propose the solution would be?

[X-lem]

I think the simple solution here is to not play on Klei’s public servers. There are lots of groups that host public servers that are moderated and actively ban griefers and can do manual Roll backs if needed.

[Parusoid]

5 hours ago, minespatch said:

a what?

anti griefing

[Falkenpelz]

On 1/3/2023 at 4:42 AM, minespatch said:

a what?

A knit griffin. A griffin knitted from wool, easy.