Voting to kick/rollback on public servers needs a change

[_zwb]

I was playing on a Klei official server and we made it to the second summer. Later a Willow player joined and burnt the whole base(she found it because of the celestial orb). I wanted to do a rollback but "there aren't enough players to start a vote". (There were only 2 players on the server)

A player joined the server for 10 mins can ruin the effort who has played 70 in game days, and there was no way to save the base.

This needs to be changed

[SpamBot0147]

Delete Willow!

[Gashzer]

You're right, it does need to be changed. The voting system should be removed all together. You do not own that 70day base. You do not own that server.

Unpopular opinion but until klei comes out and clarifies what the rules are for their public server then that willow has every right to burn that base to the ground.

[Dextops]

24 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

You're right, it does need to be changed. The voting system should be removed all together. You do not own that 70day base. You do not own that server.

I am actually speechless, i have no idea what to say.

[Gashzer]

5 minutes ago, Dextops said:

I am actually speechless, i have no idea what to say.

Klei doesn't enforce any sort of rules on their public servers and they havnt acknowledged griefing as even a bad thing yet. 

Don't shoot the messager for stating the facts. The fact being if you can't gather enough people for the voting system to work. Then kiss "your" base goodbye. (Unless klei actually begins to enforce a certain playstyles over others.) 

 

[dois raios]

I want my base being burned in the endless server, I only need an endless server to play actually XD

Spoiler

If anyone is willing to open an endless server in south america 24h without mods, I will play it very happy, klei server usually have 30 ping for me, but since I am not playing dst that much for so long, I am willing to play with high ping.

[Dextops]

3 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Klei doesn't enforce any sort of rules on their public servers and they havnt acknowledged griefing as even a bad thing yet. 

yes, destroying a persons couple hours of work is a good thing. You shouldn't need klei to tell you to have basic human decency on a server.

 

3 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Then kiss "your" base goodbye.

idk why you put "your" if they made it or have adopted it it is entirely their base now and idk why you treat it like it isn't

[Gashzer]

2 minutes ago, Dextops said:

yes, destroying a persons couple hours of work is a good thing. You shouldn't need klei to tell you to have basic human decency on a server.

Its a public server that no one owns? Why even build a serious base when everyone knows it wont last? If you get salty over losing public server bases, go make a private world.

Clearly you need to tell Klei about basic human decency not me... klei are the ones happy to let this sort of griefing happen for years on end lol

 

 

[Dextops]

4 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Its a public server that no one owns? Why even build a serious base when everyone knows it wont last? If you get salty over losing public server bases, go make a private world.

Clearly you need to tell Klei about basic human decency not me... klei are the ones happy to let this sort of griefing happen for years on end lol

 

 

Who cares if it's a public server? they built the base so it's theirs and again klei shouldn't have to explicitly tell you not to be a massive jerk, just say you're a griefer man because it just sounds like you're trying to justify it to yourself.

[tomoulis]

eating a burger with no honey mustard

[Iino]

31 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Klei doesn't enforce any sort of rules on their public servers and they havnt acknowledged griefing as even a bad thing yet. 

Don't shoot the messager for stating the facts. The fact being if you can't gather enough people for the voting system to work. Then kiss "your" base goodbye. (Unless klei actually begins to enforce a certain playstyles over others.) 

 

Do you really need someone to tell you not to grief on a game focued on cooperation? 

[Gashzer]

Just now, Dextops said:

Who cares if it's a public server? they built the base so it's theirs and again klei shouldn't have to explicitly tell you not to be a massive jerk, just say you're a griefer man because it just sounds like you're trying to justify it to yourself.

If klei doesnt enforce their public servers with any sort of anti-griefing system thats better than the current flimsy voting system, well then klei indirectly supports burning bases on their servers. 

Griefing is a term the community created. Klei doesnt use it. So officially it isnt a thing that happens on their servers.

Im so confused when people take public servers so seriously and play on them like late game private megabase worlds. Klei should shut them down and focus all their resources on content updates instead.

[Iino]

3 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

If klei doesnt enforce their public servers with any sort of anti-griefing system thats better than the current flimsy voting system, well then klei indirectly supports burning bases on their servers. 

Griefing is a term the community created. Klei doesnt use it. So officially it isnt a thing that happens on their servers.

Im so confused when people take public servers so seriously and play on them like late game private megabase worlds. Klei should shut them down and focus all their resources on content updates instead.

No one takes those servers seriously, I play them for a few seasons then log off knowing the server will reset in a couple hours. That doesn't mean I like having my progress destroyed for no reaosn while I'm playing on it. 

>Griefing is a term the community created. Klei doesnt use it. So officially it isnt a thing that happens on their servers.

This is a senseless arguement engaged in bad-faith, I'll stop discussing this, goodbye and reflect on your beliefs. 

[Gashzer]

Just now, Iino said:

This is a senseless arguement engaged in bad-faith, I'll stop discussing this, goodbye and reflect on your beliefs. 

Not senseless. Klei doesnt believe griefing is worth the effort fixing on their servers, i.e. they dont care.

Now that everyone knows Klei doesnt care about griefing... stop makin posts about griefers on their official servers.

I repeat, they dont care!

They dont want to devote resources to it even if they did.

[MondayNight]

1 hour ago, Gashzer said:

You're right, it does need to be changed. The voting system should be removed all together. You do not own that 70day base. You do not own that server.

Unpopular opinion but until klei comes out and clarifies what the rules are for their public server then that willow has every right to burn that base to the ground.

Lemme guess - you were the Willow

[ADM]

It's so lame giving free middle fingers to people misfortunes like if this sort of thing needed to be normalized. Klei haven't addressed the issue but that is so wrong coming from them as well imo... maybe due to priorities or actual carelessness but they'd be able to release just the things needed to improve user experience on public servers. We're literally talking about players purposefully harassing others initially there to "hang out and have a great time" as their servers say, it's the expectation you're given without any warning.

There's a serious notable lack of communication there as among all the good online games I played where players get to cooperate or can mess around there was always notes brought to the player that such things could happen or I at least witnessed the time the developers finally added them and it was warmly welcome. Only exception has been DST so despite all the good things in the game that is a sad L for Klei in my book on communication toward the players suffering these events and supporting their silence and lack of action is lout.

I'm looking forward changes there, the roadmap is ahead so while I have hopes as low as the floor regarding public servers, I can only encourage them to happen.

 

 

4 minutes ago, Iino said:

>Griefing is a term the community created. Klei doesnt use it. So officially it isnt a thing that happens on their servers.

They know, it just took minor but highly repetitive outrages to see something happen like that, you'd wish it wasn't necessary.

[Notecja]

Whole topic gives me all reasons to not play public servers ever. I am casual player and I play games to relax after work. Last thing I ever need in my life to get some nasty random people around me and not even be able to rollback any damages.

Also basing on public sounds like special level of pain: rn you cannot even have a nice boat base because monke, and if you want to avoid griefers you need to never pick up celestial orb and have terrarium with you (EoT is easy, but being unprepared for Twins is going to be a pain). Outside of boat, you cannot also base in most of nice areas (moon thingy, oasis, any area close to portal, probably archieves too), and even basing in awful places (like atrium or moon island) still feels... they will find and burn. Feels so bad.

[Gashzer]

31 minutes ago, x0-VERSUS-1y said:

Lemme guess - you were the Willow

Nah i enjoy being nice on public servers, i like helping and exploring with new players.

However....... I love trolling on these forums tho hehehe here atleast ive gave this post some attention now. 

 

[Cheggf]

Some people have never developed morals and only behave according to set rules like flesh automaton.

3 hours ago, SleeplessRat said:

I wanted to do a rollback but "there aren't enough players to start a vote". (There were only 2 players on the server)

A player joined the server for 10 mins can ruin the effort who has played 70 in game days, and there was no way to save the base.

It's that way so that if you disconnect for 5 seconds someone can't come in and regen the world. But there's already a minimum wait time before you can call votes so I don't really get it. 

[Tranoze]

37 minutes ago, Notecja said:

Also basing on public sounds like special level of pain.

Yes, but sometimes there are the fun in it too. There are lots of good and nice players in klei pub. Its is the best feeling when you have allies can help you farm, deliver materials, can help you do quests, and fight bosses together. They can show off their skin, give you nice skin equipments, give you boss loots... 

I can never host my dst world play alone. Yeah there are no pain, but i dont feel any fun in it.

[_zwb]

2 hours ago, Gashzer said:

If klei doesnt enforce their public servers with any sort of anti-griefing system thats better than the current flimsy voting system, well then klei indirectly supports burning bases on their servers. 

Griefing is a term the community created. Klei doesnt use it. So officially it isnt a thing that happens on their servers.

Im so confused when people take public servers so seriously and play on them like late game private megabase worlds. Klei should shut them down and focus all their resources on content updates instead.

fun fact: the word "grief" is used in world settings

3 hours ago, Gashzer said:

You do not own that 70day base. You do not own that server.

I don't, but destroying one's base while they're still playing is morally unacceptable.

 

If you have to follow the rules in such a way that anything not written in the rules is allowed, then I suggest seeing a therapist to find out why are you lacking morality and sympathy.

[Maxposting]

cant have anything in detroit

[Dextops]

2 hours ago, Gashzer said:

If klei doesnt enforce their public servers with any sort of anti-griefing system thats better than the current flimsy voting system, well then klei indirectly supports burning bases on their servers. 

biggest reach i've ever seen and it doesn't even make sense. They have a system in place meaning they do not support griefing even if at sometimes it doesn't work well.

 

2 hours ago, Gashzer said:

Griefing is a term the community created. Klei doesnt use it. So officially it isnt a thing that happens on their servers.

What.

2 hours ago, Gashzer said:

Im so confused when people take public servers so seriously and play on them like late game private megabase worlds. Klei should shut them down and focus all their resources on content updates instead.

1. people like to play on pubs and more power to them, idk why you want all pubs to be a hellish landscape where no fun is allowed
2. i don't think klei focusing on pubs as much as they do currently (which doesn't seem to be a lot) affects content update quality

[nimzowitsch10]

Whoever did that is a whole grinch

[GuardDuty]

Lowering the player's requirement to vote might causes a bigger problem, griefers can hoard servers and kicks everyone out by just 2 votes. Till the day Klei moderates public servers then play smarter: don't mark base, base in hard-to-reach places or host your own world.