Instant-Noodles Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 The new Shadow Duelist phase in/out animations: Shadow Duelist - Phasing Spoiler I also missed a few animations the other day: Shadow Servant / Shadow Duelist - Summoning Spoiler Maxwell with Magician's Top Hat Spoiler There's also a small bug with Maxwell reading the Codex Umbra where his torso flips horizontally mid animation (frames 6 to 61). This is most noticeable with non-symmetric clothing like his default skin (see below): Maxwell reading Codex Umbra Spoiler 9 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanasdf Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Nickolai said: What if when trying to spam spells/more duelists on low sanity, maxwell gets stunned by the same mind control nightmare effect fuelweaver does to players? And it causes some kind of negative effect like health loss? I was thinking the same, some kind of way to make maxwell himself busy to fight alongside his shadows. Either a stun (which would be kind of terrible) or a 100% chance of getting a terrorbeak (or perhaps some new, even stronger shadow?) to spawn and instantly aggro, until one or two of his shadows die. That way you can both farm nightmare fuel and deal with enemies. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheggf Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Dragonboooorn said: SHADOW DUELISTS ARE USABLE NOW??? WHAT A JOYFUL DAY TO BE A MAXWELL MAIN As we all know, if they aren't literally soloing bosses and playing the game for you, they're unusable. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swag Master69 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 (edited) Interesting things Shadow Servants can pick: -Roses -Spiky Bushes -Cacti -Archive Ornate Pedestal Gems -Moonstone (both during and outside the event) -Ancient Gateway with key -Carrats -Glommer's Statue (after mining it of course) -Tallbird Eggs -Traps but will keep checking trap unless flipped Not pickable but Shadow Servants will pick up Life Giving Amulets, that should probably be changed. 25 minutes ago, Cloakingsumo198 said: What's the capped amount of damage they take. 15 with a max health of 75 still Edited November 5, 2022 by Swag Master69 Formatting 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kappachinos296 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 (edited) Amazing changes so far but my main concern is that the shadow duelists seem to have gone from being very underwhelming to straight up overpowered. It seems a bit too easy to summon 6 of them and just stand back while deerclops loses like 80% of his hp before needing to summon more. The cost of that is just a few nightmare fuel worth of durability from the codex, and sanity which just regenerates quickly on Maxwell anyway. I think there should be less duelists that you’re allowed to summon or simply reduce their damage output, but that should be an easy fix since it’s just balancing. Maybe the risk of summoning them could be further increased by making you take increased damage from enemies per duelist that is summoned, or instead maybe you’re forced to take a percentage of the damage they take? Thanks for listening to our feedback. Edited November 5, 2022 by Kappachinos296 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Variant Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 Laughed way too hard at this. 25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamehun20 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 Nice changes! Puppets are actually usable for something now but i do wonder if they can pick up glow berries.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minespatch Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 47 minutes ago, Instant-Noodles said: Shadow Servant / Shadow Duelist - Summoning Hide contents This animation is haunting, props to the animators! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malfario Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, SinancoTheBest said: Wow, the day I'd see shadow duelist be actually strong and capable, who knew?.. That said, they might be a little too strong right now, I'm not sure if it's intentional to have them beat most bosses in at most 2 castings without much any consequence to Maxwell. Perhaps they can die more easily (damage cap lessened x0.5), have reduced base damage, or better come with a more pronounced risk like instead of capping from sanity, shadow duelist can cap from your health. You'd lose max 15 HP for every duelist, perhaps down to either 15 or 1, letting you only have 4-5 of them. Currently it seems you're under no risk and can win by doing absolutely nothing. i think is good that they are this powerfull and they dont need any other nerf, however if there was really a necesity to change them i will make it so so maxy had more risk at summoning them not changing the shadows themselves. Edited November 5, 2022 by Malfario 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starling Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 I love new duelist changes, good work Klei! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Maxwell Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 As a maxwell main (practically mono, I don't like switching to other characters even momentarily through the portal) I have a probably unpopular opinion about duelist changes. Duelists shouldn't solo bosses at a low cost, I did the tests with the 4 seasonal bosses and dragonfly and I was able to solo the 5 with 0 risk and very cheaply: Deerclops: 2 nightmare fuel Moose/Goose: 1 nightmare fuel Antlion: 3 nightmare fuel Bearger: 4 nightmare fuel Dragonfly: 5 nightmare fuel (probably reducing if I played better and didn't let her rage) On the other hand I thought they got worse when dealing with hordes of mobs because they lost healing and mobs don't usually hit much above the damage limitation in my opinion duelists should be more useful against hordes of mobs and less useful against bosses being just one expensive option to fight bosses but never better than maxwell fighting normally against them (working more like magic projectiles) My suggestions: Return healing to duelists, remove damage limitation, shield duelists that ignore first incoming atk. With these changes I believe that duelists would be more in line with what in my opinion they should be, the shield guarantees at least 1 atk against bosses, being able to take more value from them but they would still die quickly and the return of healing in line with the new changes would put the duelists in a good place to face hordes of weaker mobs Please decrease the book reading animation time to summon servant and duelists now that they are spammed with limited duration time is long, especially when using the duelist in combat. Shadow servant must have 75 health or be immune to indirect damage. Shadow Sneak still seems very unhelpful to me (maybe I'm missing something so anyone who knows good ways to use it feel free to talk) and I still think it should be reworked into a completely new spell or swap fear for damage. Sorry if there are too many errors, I used the translator. 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEATGOOD Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 The shadow duelists are very good right now but not over powered in the slightest. I mean that. I would rather play this character and have fun than play the character and feel like i am completely useless like when i play the new wicker. If this bug fix was the final update I would be over the moon about it. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonboooorn Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 2 hours ago, Cheggf said: As we all know, if they aren't literally soloing bosses and playing the game for you, they're unusable. Before, they were simply pigman like followers with lower health. Now they are actually unique, having good usage and better AI 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giews Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 It's only getting better and better! I can't wait for it to be an official update! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamehun20 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 While the dualists are really really good, they do indeed need a slight tweak to make them not destroy every boss by looking at them. i think the problem is that they are way too easy and cheap to just spam down and sit around. They fully go around the mechanic of the ancient guardian. i have come around to liking that they are locked to an area it makes it so you can leave for a while and they just continue to do whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaZoul Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 I also like the idea of somehow forcing Maxwell to engage in the fight as well 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamehun20 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, DaZoul said: I also like the idea of somehow forcing Maxwell to engage in the fight as well I mean if you are very unlucky you will be fighting shadows for a few minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DajeKotlyar Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 4 hours ago, Nickolai said: Could it be possible to make it transform flowers into evil flowers with the spell? It would give it another use, and fits really well with Maxwell. Yes, yes, yes, please Also, please, let shadow helpers reload traps 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quyzbuk Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 (edited) I was wondering how my duelists didn't insta-die when I was fighting antlion. Summoned 5, one actually survived since we took it down so much quicker (and I'm not discounting the RNG spikes missing it). Considering I've been using the +35% damage taken on my beta world, I'm extra surprised at the resilience. Can't wait to try their new harvesting out later, certainly will get me to stop being so lazy about setting up my renewables. Edited November 5, 2022 by Quyzbuk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamehun20 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 (edited) Not sure if this is intentional or not but shadows can walk on water, so you can use them to kill crab king or clear out fields of sea weeds and salt formations Edited November 5, 2022 by gamehun20 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EldMaster Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 Very great update! But could you please add in future ability to make Maxwell control him shadows? Because for exemple, when I fight with Klaus shadows duelits start smash deers, but not the Klaus, and this is very annoying. Also, this problem happened with shadow servants. For example, if I want that shadows take grass or sticks for me, they will not do this. Because if tree, rock or something else stand close to them, shadow servants firstly will come to them, but not to what I want. Please try to do something with this =[ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyno Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 5 hours ago, JesseB_Klei said: Flowers will be selected to not be picked in the next hotfix. Please let us know if there are other very undesired things that are now being picked. Aside from picking, I'd like to have Shadow Miners to avoid mining the Glommer's Statue. It's a shame when they break it by "accident" and you can't repair it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Maxwell Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 44 minutes ago, gamehun20 said: I mean if you are very unlucky you will be fighting shadows for a few minutes Just summon 5 duelists, in my tests I didn't face a single shadow creature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALCRD Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 Could someone explain to me how the Magic Box / Hat and Shadow Chester works now? Can players steal your crap if you put it in the Magic Box while they have a Shadow Chester? And vice versa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edulopes Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 the changes got and interesting way, for me now the only thing i probably am asking myself and i wanted an response for klei because this is LORE, and i am more curious about why and not that i want but, Why cant shadow duellists attack shadow creatures klei?? Great going on the Update, now i think the power lost on the gathering, has shifted on other subjects as pick things, and now finally maxwell can have his puppets figth bosses too klei smashing the animations as always and gave many players about forge nostalgia 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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