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Let's play - Opinions on Wickerbottom - Episode 1: This characters perks are good

Wickerbottom's perks are really good. Especially starting with Tier 1 science. First of all, being able to craft a backpack at the start of the game is possibly the best possible thing known to man, and it also saves resources by not having to craft a science machine to make an alchemy engine, and anything that saves on chopping trees is a good thing in my eyes. It does get kind of useless later in the game, but her second perk makes up for that.

Her second perk, being able to make books, more than makes up for the first perk's uselessness in mid/lategame. She also starts with 2 papyrus, which is exactly enough to make a book if you have the other materials necessary. All of her books consume sanity to use, but we'll get to that later.

The End is Nigh! is a book that Which summons lightning and used to be an insane combo with WX78, but that mechanic doesn't exist anymore so there aren't that many uses for the book anymore.

Horticulture Abridged will grow all the crops in your farm,but you need a one man band in order to talk to them and keep them happy. Wormwood in bloom might also work, but you're never going to find both a Wicker and a wormwood in the same lobby, especially not a public servers. Pretty sure this also grows berry bushes.

Applied Silvaculture (probably butchered the name) grows everything else, from twigs, to grass, to trees.

Applied Horticulture was the farming book from before the reap what you sow update, and it grew everything. Trees, farm plot crops, berry bushes, grass and twigs, probably the best book she had at the time. Don't get me wrong, Silvaculture and Abridged Horticulture are still good books, but the original horticulture was the best non combo book at her disposal.

Sleepytime Stories sends mobs around you to sleep. It also works on players in PvP, making her S tier there, but no one plays PvP so who cares. It is most commonly used in combination with

Birds of the World summons birds near you. That's really it. Crows and either Redbirds or Snowbirds. Maybe even the yellow birds that I forgot the name of and refuse to look up. Probably summons Puffins in the water. The most common use for this book is to summon the birds, send em to sleep, and farm naughtiness points to grind out Krampus sacks. I cannot think of another use for this, it's literally just birds.

On Tentacles is another summoning book, and it summons a bunch of tentacles around you, and that's it. You can use this for farming beequeen, or griefing. It's just tentacles.

Let's play - Opinions on Wickerbottom - Episode 2: This characters downsides are also good

Wickerbottom's downsides are an inability to sleep (unless forced asleep by another player, mandrake, bearger yawn, or a lunar thing) and spoiled food having increased penalties for her, making her combo with WX78 even more powerful back then due to his immunity to spoiled or stale food.

These downsides are really good and compliment her upsides well. Sure, you can make a bunch of food, but if it stales, you're in trouble. Sure, you can make more food, or use another of your books, but that requires sanity, which you can't easily regain by sleeping. It's a good balance.

Let's play - Opinions on Wickerbottom - This is the part where I rant about her problems

The big problem with Wicker isn't that she's not powerful enough or she's too powerful, the problem is that there's just not enough to her books. Yeah, she has 2 good ones in silvaculture and horticulture, and the sleepytime stories one is just a panflute, you can't go wrong with a panflute, but the other three books are just so situational it's ridiculous.

First of all, The End is Nigh. Lightning has no use (i think) in this game after the WX78 rework, since you can't overcharge with it anymore, all it can really do is provide a little light with the lightning rod, and that's it. On Tentacles is only good for farming and griefing, one of which should never be done, and the other is worthless because willow is a better griefer in every way possible. (/sarcasm, please don't grief,) Birds of the World is similarly niche because it has to have another book to even be useful, and the uses it does have is feather, meat, and krampus sack farming, and Klaus is better and just more fun for sacks (provided you're in winters feast and don't have to wait for every winter to kill him)

And you could make an argument that characters like Wolfgang or Wigfrid or Wendy are niche because all they do is kill things, or all Woodie and Max do is gather resources, but like, first of all, you're going to be killing things the entire game, and you'll always need resources, and second, these things don't take resources after every five enemies killed, or trees chopped, because Wicker's books have 5 uses, and then you're back to the swamp getting reeds (a hellish experience if you don't have a reed trap), or back to the beefalo for poop, or the birdcage for eggs, or whatever. 

Making wicker better would just be give her more books. Just give her more books. That's it. That's really all you need to do, just give her more books. I really can't think of anything else. Maybe make the books cheaper or give them more uses, I don't know. She just needs more books.

Too Ranty;Didn't Read: Wickerbottoms books are too situational, but other than that she's a good character.

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rude 

her books cover more than ur letting on and are more impactful. You should play with them some more. Superficially what they all do seems basic and one dimensional but with some creativity you’ll find u can do a lot with them. 

Applied Silviculture+woodie for example can raise a massive tree guard army in record time. Which u can then sic on toadstool :lol: among other things…

Her books are quirky but fun. They’re basically sandbox/admin tools for u to play around with and manipulate the game’s mechanics. They require some ingenuity and set up to get the most out of them which is a unique playstyle in the game. 

End is nigh really is mostly useless though. 

But yes more books please :mrgreen:. Celestial tier, ancient tier, all the books!

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38 minutes ago, Ohan said:

rude 

her books cover more than ur letting on and are more impactful. You should play with them some more. Superficially what they all do seems basic and one dimensional but with some creativity you’ll find u can do a lot with them. 

Applied Silviculture+woodie for example can raise a massive tree guard army in record time. Which u can then sic on toadstool :lol: among other things…

Her books are quirky but fun. They’re basically sandbox/admin tools for u to play around with and manipulate the game’s mechanics. They require some ingenuity and set up to get the most out of them which is a unique playstyle in the game. 

End is nigh really is mostly useless though. 

But yes more books please :mrgreen:. Celestial tier, ancient tier, all the books!

I will admit, I have barely ever played Wickerbottom in my life, since she's seemed boring to me from the start of the game til now.

The books (sans end is nigh) probably do have more uses than I let on, but it would take someone much more proficient in both the game and wicker than I to get anything out of them.

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I think The End is Nigh supposed to be fight book, but not very reliable. Not like it was much damage, probably it burned loots? I think only once or twice I used that in that way, and first time I forgor any anti-lightning clothes.

But ye, there is something missing with her books, like versatility? Not sure how to describe it...

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There are so many threads about Wickerbottom recently that i don't feel like repeating myself, i'll only say that On Tentacles is one of the strongest books at the moment and it isn't only useful for bee queen. 

We need to wait for Wickerbottom refresh to come on public beta so that we can discuss further. There are really many directions klei can take this as she isn't one of the straightforward characters and i hope they aren't afraid to do a full refresh and change how most of her books are to fit the current game that has changed so much from DS.

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On 5/12/2022 at 5:57 AM, Notecja said:

I think The End is Nigh supposed to be fight book, but not very reliable. Not like it was much damage, probably it burned loots?

I always took it more like a joke book, in a way of Klei saying "Oh, you want a really powerful spell to cast? Here, now you can destroy your world all by yourself!"

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Well, in my vision, she really lacks the mechanics of forge. Namely, choose where to call spells, so I had to make a mod. By slightly changing the books, you can make a fairly versatile player. You can call on absolutely everyone, lightning causes rain, and stuff like that, it makes no sense to change it much, because the character is already so strong in the right hands

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3 hours ago, hhh2 said:

how could you forget about the totally useless meteor book from SW?

By the way, a book about meteorites is quite useful for destruction, marble trees, large vegetables and stuff like that

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I'd like it greatly if they totally changed the way books function in her rework, making them all hand slot equippables for a weak forge-inspired book bash attack and the right-click action to pick the area of casting where relevant, specifically for horticulture abridged, the end is night and also the meteor spawning book , which would be very relevant in DST's moon themes. In addition I like the ideas for fish school spawning book and a book that allows the crafting of any item anywhere without being next to the relevant crafting structure

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13 hours ago, SinancoTheBest said:

I'd like it greatly if they totally changed the way books function in her rework, making them all hand slot equippables for a weak forge-inspired book bash attack and the right-click action to pick the area of casting where relevant, specifically for horticulture abridged, the end is night and also the meteor spawning book , which would be very relevant in DST's moon themes. In addition I like the ideas for fish school spawning book and a book that allows the crafting of any item anywhere without being next to the relevant crafting structure

you can try it now, with the exception of the spawn of fish and any items, I did not add such books

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1 hour ago, yourAnty said:

The End Is Nigh is the only book that needs serious changes, it's really not useful at all right now, other than that I don't see the the point of complaining about a book being 'niche' oh and On Tentacles is amazing.

Charging wx, charging goats, making a long lasting light source that doesn't affect temperature, making a light show, killing players.

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4 minutes ago, Cheggf said:

Perfectly memorizing the entirety of 5 books to be able to transcribe then from memory is incredibly impressive.

man i could do that
ahem ahem The cat in the hat. By: Doctor Seuss
The sun did not shine
It was too wet to play
So we sat in the house
All that cold, cold, wet day

This was books read by dextops please come for episode 2 for the second page

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