Wolfgang's Character Refresh is Coming Next Week!

[reallychina]

1 minute ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

instead of wanting to mske wolf interesting they will cry about how speed is super atached to wolfgang ( a speed boost that wasn't even intended) ignoring that speed boost+marble suit is ridiculous

 

you don't need the marble suit past a certain skill level, it's still magi and football helm or the new terraria helm. the piggyback, although a nice addition, is still not needed as backpack works just fine and a lot of time you use magi and no backpack anyway.

My problem is that people want to nerf him without understanding what nerfing does to him past a skill level

[sudoku]

1 minute ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

and what do you want? eat during the travel?

i dont get the complain about the gym, is literally the most forgiving and confortable tbing added since abi refresh and rwys, is dumb prof

No. I want some sort of gameplay beyond a 4 second minigame lol. My suggestion was instead of a minigame workout, they make the workout happen with actual gameplay by having a protein shake and when consumed any physcial activites you do during a set time limit builds up his meter.

That is what i mean by gameplay. If this was WX getting reworked instead of him having to go hunt gears he would instead build an upgrade station and play a minigame to get hist stats. Do you see how we lose gameplay?

[ArubaroBeefalo]

this is why democracy doesnt work

people just go tunnel vision. You can give to them the best and cheaper armor without penalties and will still complain about the hp lost and how wolf should have natural armor ( just hilarious) or how they ignore that you dont waste time eating, farming food, managing the food, etc so you end up doing more things in less time but no, they dont see this they just will keep asking for the speed buff but, ofc, wont ask for removing the advantages added to compensate the speed buff lost

klei remove the speed buff because he already saves time but you cant see it because you only played one day, notice that you cant faceroll by eating the food of a server balanced arround 4 players (yes, that you play with 1 player slot doesn't mean that the wold is for 1 player)

1 minute ago, sudoku said:

That is what i mean by gameplay. If this was WX getting reworked instead of him having to go hunt gears he would instead build an upgrade station and play a minigame to get hist stats. Do you see how we lose gameplay?

that would be greater and more interesting than eating the stupid amount of stacks of gears that you get cleaning the ruins

[sudoku]

1 minute ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

that would be greater and more interesting than eating the stupid amount of stacks of gears that you get cleaning the ruins

Ah, then we disagree fundamentally on what is considered gameplay.

[Ohan]

6 minutes ago, reallychina said:

 

you don't need the marble suit past a certain skill level, it's still magi and football helm or the new terraria helm. the piggyback, although a nice addition, is still not needed as backpack works just fine and a lot of time you use magi and no backpack anyway.

My problem is that people want to nerf him without understanding what nerfing does to him past a skill level

What if u dont need movement speed either past a certain skill level and u just havent reached it yet? 

[Yuuko]

Just now, Ohan said:

What if u dont need movement speed either past a certain skill level and u just havent reached it yet? 

Actually true ^ as tanking and trading nets higher dps and is used judiciously in many speed runs.

[Duck986]

24 minutes ago, Szczuku said:

The Holy Trinity of DST is gonna be Hell for Klei, isn't it?

they have both balls of steel and an understanding of what they do, so I'm sure their reworks will be good despite all the hate and disputes

[BeeClops]

Personally, after playing for a few more hours and sleeping on it, I don't think it's as bad as I used to. I love the new animations and they do fit him nicely; the weaker dumbells could be tweaked a little.

It does feel really slow in early game and just in general when you can't benefit from his speed anymore, and I don't think munching food was a tedious way to maintain mightiness, but I like the new method too, i like the linear values, and it adds more character to him. It is a pretty big change in playstyle which I have mixed feelings about, but overall it was a good experience. 

He is definitely a lot more fun to play as for newer players, which is a big deal. 

 

 

 

[ArubaroBeefalo]

20 minutes ago, reallychina said:

you don't need the marble suit past a certain skill level,

i didnt say that you need it but if people is worried about not having 300hp then they should use it

and, if you think about it, kiting well means that the marble suit will last a very long time and that you wont need any healing since you get 0.05 damage. Even for "pr0s 0 hits  BQno pan flute" it is useful

18 minutes ago, sudoku said:

Ah, then we disagree fundamentally on what is considered gameplay.

not only in that

[Duck986]

guys, maybe it's kind of a risky move... but can someone describe for me in a few sentences what happened in the past 28 pages, please? I will be very grateful.

[Capybara007]

That wolfgang rework is dumb, that is 28 pages of people trying to convince themselves its good 

[ArubaroBeefalo]

3 minutes ago, Duck986 said:

guys, maybe it's kind of a risky move... but can someone describe for me in a few sentences what happened in the past 28 pages, please? I will be very grateful.

people complaing about wolfgang not having speed boost vs peopke who tried the refresh for more than 8 minutes and relize that the spedd boost isnt neccesary with the new kit

also you missed a lot of arrogants and pr0s

2 minutes ago, Capybara007 said:

That wolfgang rework is dumb, that is 28 pages of people trying to convince themselves its good 

i dont have to convince myself

i tried and didn't like it at first, i keep playing and started to love it

 

[Duck986]

6 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

i tried and didn't like it at first, i keep playing and started to love it

ironically that happened to me when I tried to play Wanda more than a few days xD.

I'm not even sure if I will back to Wolfgang after her, this watches are hell of a hard drug.

[Owlrust]

This has been a hot thread on and off for more than 3 (almost 4) days now, and we're almost at 30 pages. Dang you guys like Wolfgang. Or potatoes. Or both.

[bagherthegamer]

44 minutes ago, reallychina said:

It's not just early game. The speed nerf affects early, mid and lategame. Yes, slowing down earlygame is reasonable and necessary, but wolfgang was great to play because you could go fast and try to beat the clock, it was like racing games.

Hello sir/madam, my name is rider beefalo, in the early game im a normal beefalo and with a saddle i give 66% speed buff(much faster than wolfgang and wx), however i dont give much riding time at the start but after ten days you can ride me from any poit of the map to the other with no problem.if you keep riding me, i will turn into rider beefalo and give double speed and with a bit of grinding and green gems you could get a glossamer saddle to make me even faster. The fastest my owner(bagherthegamer) tamed a rider beefalo is 24 days and after that you can ride me for free. Every charecter can do this and so i would advise you to start learning new tricks instead of ignoring my existance. Thanks. Rider beefalo out. 

[Milordo]

Almost 30 pages of:

YOUR OPINION IS WRONG, KLEI CHANGE OR WE'LL RIOT!

[Mike23Ua]

10 minutes ago, Duck986 said:

guys, maybe it's kind of a risky move... but can someone describe for me in a few sentences what happened in the past 28 pages, please? I will be very grateful.

Wolfgang Go fast shove Meatball in face,  no progression Rush beat up Boss, Rework come Wolfgang no longer go fast.. can wear good armor with no movement penalty to make up for it, Might now tied to Progression & get more powerful through crafting station. Forum Not Happy Blarrgh Rage & Flip table.

Thats the Gist of it.

22 minutes ago, Duck986 said:

they have both balls of steel and an understanding of what they do, so I'm sure their reworks will be good despite all the hate and disputes

I don’t think so.. I mean from my perspective I see Klei looking at their characters, looking at all the available loading screens, Vignettes and ways they have portrayed these characters in their Own art designs and saying to themselves “Okay who is this character? What do we want their playstyle & personality to be? Whatever it is: It can’t stray too far away from what we have already portrayed them doing in Animated Shorts & Vignettes..

Wolfgang didn’t just suddenly “Become” about living in a circus and lifting a Dumbell he has ALWAYS had that in his images.. he has always been portrayed as a Weight Lifter, not a hot dog eating contest repeat champion.. Wolfgang has always been about this stuff (and if you want I can go pull every Klei official image/vignette of him and paste them here just to prove it)

So then you have to look at the characters who HAVENT been reworked yet: like Wickerbottom what are they Portrayed as doing? Well for Wicker in Particular… it seems to be Books, and Powerful one’s at that: Here just look at this image-

Thats a wicker reading a book to seemingly Conjure some sort of storm in the sky above that mountain peak.

These Characters have ALWAYS been portrayed by Klei outside of gameplay: it’s not like they’re making a new character from scratch- they already have concept arts and an ultimate vision KLEI has always had for them.

 

[reallychina]

1 hour ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

this is why democracy doesnt work

people just go tunnel vision. You can give to them the best and cheaper armor without penalties and will still complain about the hp lost and how wolf should have natural armor ( just hilarious) or how they ignore that you dont waste time eating, farming food, managing the food, etc so you end up doing more things in less time but no, they dont see this they just will keep asking for the speed buff but, ofc, wont ask for removing the advantages added to compensate the speed buff lost

klei remove the speed buff because he already saves time but you cant see it because you only played one day, notice that you cant faceroll by eating the food of a server balanced arround 4 players (yes, that you play with 1 player slot doesn't mean that the wold is for 1 player)

that would be greater and more interesting than eating the stupid amount of stacks of gears that you get cleaning the ruins

Democracy doesn't work because people don't agree with you?

Unlike DS, food in DST is not an issue, the game throws food at you. You don't need farming to keep legacy wolfgang mighty. I kept saying that wolfgang needs downsides and penalties. I said it makes no sense for it to be damage dealer and tank and that his hp should not be higher than 100. I said he should lose mightiness when hit to incentivize clean playstyle and reward good kiting like wanda does.

 

The perks he got now (marble suit/piggyback) are just a bonus, as he could be played at max potential without those to begin with.

 

Speed was integral to wolfang for much more than fighting, fighting was maybe 10% of gametime. You spend 50% of gametime moving from point A to point B. Wolfgang could even lose his speed bonus when in fight but regain it as soon as fight music stops. I don't understand why people like @Ohan or @Shosuko fixate on speed during fights. I can see the argument to remove speed during fights to make them more challenging. To remove running speed when not in combat is a very bad move and dulls the gameplay, the gameplay that has been dynamic for years. It's already somewhat slowed down by the lifting thing (but that's not an issue, i welcome the weights change).

25 minutes ago, bagherthegamer said:

Hello sir/madam, my name is rider beefalo, in the early game im a normal beefalo and with a saddle i give 66% speed buff(much faster than wolfgang and wx), however i dont give much riding time at the start but after ten days you can ride me from any poit of the map to the other with no problem.if you keep riding me, i will turn into rider beefalo and give double speed and with a bit of grinding and green gems you could get a glossamer saddle to make me even faster. The fastest my owner(bagherthegamer) tamed a rider beefalo is 24 days and after that you can ride me for free. Every charecter can do this and so i would advise you to start learning new tricks instead of ignoring my existance. Thanks. Rider beefalo out. 

I'll ignore smartasses.

[Duck986]

4 minutes ago, reallychina said:

I'll ignore smartasses.

Most people rejected His message... They hated Jesus because He told them the truth.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

1 minute ago, reallychina said:

Democracy doesn't work because people don't agree with you?

i wish it was the problem

2 minutes ago, reallychina said:

I kept saying that wolfgang needs downsides and penalties

totally agree. Adding downsides to the wimpy form is good but not enough since any regular player wont reach wimpy form

i was expecting some kind of downside for the mighty form to make his gameplay unique. Kinda like warly's or wanda's downside change a lot the way of playing

[ArubaroBeefalo]

6 minutes ago, reallychina said:

fighting was maybe 10% of gametime. You spend 50% of gametime moving from point A to point B

 

idk what game people play but i can expend hours fighting non stop: a whole season cleaning the ruins plus BQ, CC, FW, klaus, deerclops, vsrious moose goose, malbatross, AG, toad.... sure, some game sessions i just build but isnt like DST is stardew valley

[sudoku]

Just now, ArubaroBeefalo said:

 

idk what game people play but i can expend hours fighting non stop: a whole season cleaning the ruins plus BQ, CC, FW, klaus, deerclops, vsrious moose goose, malbatross, AG, toad.... sure, some game sessions i just build but isnt like DST is stardew valley

I thought you werent a fan of having to clear the ruins and would rather it be a minigame.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

Just now, sudoku said:

I thought you werent a fan of having to clear the ruins and would rather it be a minigame.

so mature and logical

[sudoku]

2 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

so mature and logical

I do what i can 

[Mangrove]

1 hour ago, Szczuku said:

The Holy Trinity of DST is gonna be Hell for Klei, isn't it?

Looking forward to Wickerbottom's library mini-game, library card consumable and overdue book penalties