I kinda don't want a Wigfrid rework.

[Squirrel12]

Wigfrid has been my main ever since RoG and I'm really worried about this rework.

I love her design. She's fun and easy to play, her carnivore diet offers her a unique challenge and play-style, she's viable for end game situations, her weapon and amour make her useful for teams, the method acting concept is inventive and uncomplicated...Am I wrong to think she's kinda perfect as she is? 

I'm hoping that Klei will surprise me, but I'm really worried that this really wonderful character that I have been playing for years is gonna get completely messed up. Especially after seeing the problems with recent characters like Walter, I'm really concerned.

I genuinely don't think there's any need for it. When Klei announced they were reworking ALL of the characters, I was concerned. I fully support reworking "broken" characters like Winona and Woody, but I don't think there's anything wrong in saying some characters are perfectly fine as they are.

We'll just have to wait and see I guess, but please don't massacre my girl.  

[Well-met]

I trust in Klei as they read this forum often. They are aware everyone finds her fine and nobody wants a rehaul for her.

Best case scenario she'll only get a few new craftables and great lore.

Worst case scenario, somebody will put up a revert mod on the workshop exactly 0.00641 seconds after launch.

[FreyaMaluk]

I hope for a battle cry, some extra skins and call it a day

[Scrimbles]

My only real worry is that they will make her even stronger without much downside.

Shes already kinda the best all around character if you arent including the top 3's overpowered features, if she becomes even stronger shes going to enter that overpowered tier for sure.

Judging by the leaked sound files, shes probably getting her forge battle cry thing, and I expect her to get more craftable weapons and armor.

 

I don't want her to come out stronger, forcing me to have to nerf her right out the gate

[Blue Moth]

i'm hoping for more combat abilities. i've already ranted about what i want on other threads so i'm not gonna go into much detail. i do think she should have more downsides, now that you mention it. perhaps they could make her exceptionally weaker when she has no weapons or armor. they could also make it so she gains less health and sanity depending on how low a certain stat is.

[Mike23Ua]

Wigfrid is easily my second most played character in DST, but there is still room (in my opinion of course) for PLENTY of improvements.

Im going to leave a Disclaimer here: Console players never got to play Forge content, and so I can not base what I’m about to say off Forge Version Wigfrid- Because I’ve never experienced Forge Wig.

Now with that said- I Play A LOT of SMITE.. 

And Smite is a game mostly about Team Synergies (meaning you have abilities that are well enough on your own, but when used in conjunction with other characters and their abilities, makes your team even more formidable.)

When I hear Forge Battle Cry, I immediately think SMITE God Erlang Shang, Who’s Shouts Debuffed his enemies so his team mates could deal more damage to them then normal.

Thats great and all, but it’s technically the same thing as Abigails Petal Bestowment buff is it not? 
 

Wigfrid gains vampirism from the things she kills, they could improve this so that anyone wearing a Unicorn Helm near something that Wigfrid kills also gets a small percentage of Wigfrids vampire effect.

So what can they give Wigfrid that won’t feel like a variation of Abigails Petal Bestowment? 
 

THE POWER OF THE UNICORN!! (No I’m not joking... I want real Synergy like this) And Who should Wigfrids Unicorn synergy work with??? How bout- WES?!

Lets just face the facts Wes is 125% Useless, but.. What if, he could create unicorn balloons that Wigfrid can hold in her inventory to boost her stats?

Finally Utilizing the Actual Power of the Unicorn.....

THIS is What I want from a Wigfrid/Wes Rework Klei- Please make it Happen.

[cropo]

I hope her rework isn't purely limited to team-play. There's a very large portion of players who simply play the game solo, as the game effectively doubles the amount of content in the RoG world compared to Singleplayer DS. But being able to give her vampirism to other players is something I would think is really cool, a battle cry would be pretty cool as well I suppose.

 

A downside I predict will happen is that she will indeed slip in and out of her Wigfrid persona, at low sanity she'll lose her ''acting cool'' and go back into her weaker form. This would make her a ''sanity wolfgang'', where she goes mighty at high sanity, no doubt with a few extra stats upgrades and special abilities. If you think about it, both Wigfrid and Wolfgang are performers.

People probably wouldn't want that, but I think it could work by making sanity something that's actually punished for being low, something the game has struggled to do since the mechanics introduction.

 

I hope her unique craftables get more skins. The spear and football helm have so many cool skins. I love the horned helmets, and Wigfrids helm skins just don't scratch that itch for me. I like how the spear skins also come with a respective staff skin, it's probably asking too much but I'd like the current football helm and spear skins to have ''Wigfrid versions'' that keep their horned aesthetic and only look a bit different from a standard football helm.

[ShadowDuelist]

11 hours ago, Ogrecakes said:

Judging by the leaked sound files, shes probably getting her forge battle cry thing

Sorry, what sound files? Did they add the Forge's battlecry sounds?

[smeagolheart]

I too am worried.   She's well balanced as it is.   I hope this turns out well.

[CameoAppearance]

Wigfrid wouldn't have been my first pick for a rework, or honestly even my second or third, but as long as they don't nerf her old perks to balance her new ones or completely refocus her character (like the "playing other roles" suggestion that keeps popping up) I think the worst that's likely to happen is that the new mechanics she gets merely won't interest me and I can keep focusing on the stuff she could already do. And I'm excited by the prospect of lore, skins, and a cinematic.

[Pine G]

3 hours ago, ShadowDuelist said:

Sorry, what sound files? Did they add the Forge's battlecry sounds?

A looping theme was added in the game files, but it has been removed since the newest update. You can listen to it here:

Spoiler

 

 

[Pikapikap]

I hope she gets rework.

Because I really want to see the interesting changes Klei will bring to her. They are geniuses.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

I dont think she will get a total rework. It will be more like an update.

She will get new animations like warly and wendy, maybe new textures but i dont believe that klei will change her so much. 

I think, like shadowduelist said, that they choose her because is one of the characters that needs less work so they can focus on RoT but at the same time promote their game updating one of the most popular characters 

[Scrimbles]

On 9/3/2020 at 12:45 AM, ShadowDuelist said:

Sorry, what sound files? Did they add the Forge's battlecry sounds?

In addition to her new music she has 2 sound files that sound like her powering up, similar to Wolfgang when he goes mighty.

 

(Added downloads for the sounds)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/623666104937480192/749400619454038096/quote_Wigfrid_DST-001.wav

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/623666104937480192/749400618224844890/song_Wigfrid_DST-003.wav

 

EDIT: Dunno what happened with the previous sound uploads, they came out as... non files.

[Pine G]

51 minutes ago, Ogrecakes said:

In addition to her new music she has 2 sound files that sound like her powering up, similar to Wolfgang when he goes mighty.

Huh. That sounds like it's most likely going to be a battle cry of sorts. These sound files have probably been removed with the new update, but is there any chance they could be found again? 

[Scrimbles]

20 minutes ago, Pinegrove said:

Huh. That sounds like it's most likely going to be a battle cry of sorts. These sound files have probably been removed with the new update, but is there any chance they could be found again? 

Ye they are linked in my previous post

[MondayNight]

Would be interesting why those files were removed - re-balance change reverted or just anti-"code diggers" measure.

 

Is ok imo if Wig's rework only adds optional elements (some new weapon/armor, way to upgrade or repair weapon/armor and perhaps a battlecry), but keeps her core intact. Anything else (new "roles", mandatory unicorn-and-the-like follower/mount, more power-ups) seems to be a pretty solid "NO, ty!" from community.

[JaccK1618]

Well too bad kid.

[SinancoTheBest]

Well everyone is getting a rework so this would have come sooner or later. Something you may find solace in is that if Klei prioritized Wigfrid Rework over those of Webber, WX, Wilson and Wes, it's because she'll require much less changes to be a good rework- especially after not publishing a single DLC character since Wurt from almost a year ago; it's a great financial decision to rework to a very popular character who won't require much effort and will sure to bring a good amount of finances to Klei with her skin sales. 

What I personally hope is that her rework will help her playstyle feel even more unique and hopefully will incorporate a little more forge content into regular gameplay. Adding her a battle cry mechanic to boost the surrounding players is a great start. I fantasize that she'll also have a unique use to her battle spear, such as being able to make a short, stunning AOE charge like her forge spear. I hope she'll also have upgrades to her spear in Pseudo Science Station and Lunar Altar to make it a viable weapon in later stages of the world too, with which I'm hoping that she'll be able to make her forge diving attack . I'd also appreciate if she can craft a body armor variant too.

12 hours ago, cropo said:

A downside I predict will happen is that she will indeed slip in and out of her Wigfrid persona, at low sanity she'll lose her ''acting cool'' and go back into her weaker form. This would make her a ''sanity wolfgang'', where she goes mighty at high sanity, no doubt with a few extra stats upgrades and special abilities. If you think about it, both Wigfrid and Wolfgang are performers.

Considering her Sanity and Health leach that sounds like an awesome addition, I'd like that. It's the best downside idea I heard if they're going to add a downside to balance her already very stong standing and the improvements she'll likely get to that in this rework. Low levels of sanity should affect her more severely in some way.

 

12 hours ago, cropo said:

I'd like the current football helm and spear skins to have ''Wigfrid versions'' that keep their horned aesthetic and only look a bit different from a standard football helm.

Adding a Battle Spear and Battle Helmet skin for each regular spear and football helmet skin could prove to be a bit too much, but I like the idea of already existing skin-inspired new skins for her tools. Especially in continuation from stuff from forge that they can bring, I'd really like it if they add the Resplendent Nox Armor as a Battle helmet skin since the other two helmets are already Football Helmet skins and I think it'd fit greatly as an upgraded version of them. I don't see this as limiting a skin to one character since a Wigfrid in the server almost always means that other players will be using her helmets. And we already have many football helmet skins and having three different upgrade tiers of a helmet correspond to the same item would be weird imo.

    

[Karitha]

Weremoose form of Woodie should be for her. She should turn of godlike creature when kill so much but klei can't do that in that moment bc they wasted this in Woodie.

I just hope she get special abilities about her stuffs more than her. 

[SinancoTheBest]

13 hours ago, Slagger said:

Weremoose form of Woodie should be for her. He should turn of godlike creature when kill so much but klei can't do that in that moment.

I just hope she get special abilities about her stuffs more than her. 

Leets not make Wigfrid turn into Were-forms, have a teddy bear guard, build catapults, have the ghosts of her lost walkyrs guarding her, grow a beard, only eat crock pot dishes, grab souls from fallen enemies, plant seeds on the ground, build spider dens, ally the merms, get buffs on a full hunger meter, read spell books, summon shadow slaves, upgrade herself with gears, surf in the ocean, use a skingshot, gain sanity from treasure in the inventory, poop manure on the ground every now and then, inflate balloons, lose sanity for not sailing and be treated by the pigs as royalty please. We kinda have the other characters in and hopefully on their way to DST for those roles

[Karitha]

2 hours ago, SinancoTheBest said:

True words

I'm really sorry about my poorly information about my opinion.

I just wished she had weremoose styled power but we already have this on Woodie. That kind of power would fit on her better. I didn't mean to make her Woodie 2. It just was a gripe/complaint post.

[Mike23Ua]

Well- like I said in my earlier post there is a lot they can do to Wigfrid that makes her better.. because currently her only gameplay centers around craft Helm, Craft Spear, fight enemies, Vampire stats off them as I hit them.

That May sound balanced to you... but when I compare it side by side to every other Character rework including the newer dlc characters- Wurt and Walter, Wigfrid falls short.

And by that I mean that every other Rework now has new found abilities, they each have unique gameplay tied directly to that character choice you pick to play.

For example- You will now spend your time while playing as Wendy using your own personal version of the divining rod to help Pipspook find lost stuff- this is gameplay that is tied directly to the character you pick to play as..

And it’s something I hope every single character in the game gets.

A Winona Spends more time in caves gathering Gems to fuel her craftables.

A Wurt spends more time at sea to gather kelps to build her Merm Army.

A Willow spend more time shaving Beefalo Wool/Beardling hair and manipulating her Sanity to craft & use Bernie dolls.

Woodie now gathers more Grass, Logs, Seeds & Monster Meat then he used to and now has 3 different transformations with each one serving a specific purpose.

Then there is Wigfrid- who for a little bit of gold and stones, can craft spear and armor, she has no cool dodge, or charge attack, she doesn’t have her own unique Craftable structure to leave her personal mark on a world like Wendy’s Sisturn or Wurt Warrior huts.. She, like everyone else- Could use an upgrade.

[Well-met]

45 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Well- like I said in my earlier post there is a lot they can do to Wigfrid that makes her better.. because currently her only gameplay centers around craft Helm, Craft Spear, fight enemies, Vampire stats off them as I hit them.

That May sound balanced to you... but when I compare it side by side to every other Character rework including the newer dlc characters- Wurt and Walter, Wigfrid falls short.

And by that I mean that every other Rework now has new found abilities, they each have unique gameplay tied directly to that character choice you pick to play.

For example- You will now spend your time while playing as Wendy using your own personal version of the divining rod to help Pipspook find lost stuff- this is gameplay that is tied directly to the character you pick to play as..

And it’s something I hope every single character in the game gets.

A Winona Spends more time in caves gathering Gems to fuel her craftables.

A Wurt spends more time at sea to gather kelps to build her Merm Army.

A Willow spend more time shaving Beefalo Wool/Beardling hair and manipulating her Sanity to craft & use Bernie dolls.

Woodie now gathers more Grass, Logs, Seeds & Monster Meat then he used to and now has 3 different transformations with each one serving a specific purpose.

Then there is Wigfrid- who for a little bit of gold and stones, can craft spear and armor, she has no cool dodge, or charge attack, she doesn’t have her own unique Craftable structure to leave her personal mark on a world like Wendy’s Sisturn or Wurt Warrior huts.. She, like everyone else- Could use an upgrade.

wigfrid hunts more

wigfrid needs gold more than everyone else

wigfrid has her own crafts

very poor argument.

[Cheggf]

On 9/2/2020 at 11:52 AM, Squirrel12 said:

her carnivore diet offers her a unique challenge and play-style

Does it? You can eat meatballs, pierogi, meaty stew, bacon and eggs, honey ham, jerky, koalefant trunks, froggle bunwich, honey nuggets, turkey dinner, surf 'n' turf, kabobs, and plenty more. What all can't she eat? Bluecaps and flower salad? It might be an interesting and challenging playstyle if all the stuff you're eating anyways wasn't already meat. 

On 9/2/2020 at 11:52 AM, Squirrel12 said:

she's viable for end game situations

Everyone is viable for end game situations. Viable is a really low bar to pass, even the intentionally bad Wes is viable for endgame. 

On 9/2/2020 at 11:52 AM, Squirrel12 said:

her weapon and amour make her useful for teams

But not nearly as useful as other characters.

On 9/2/2020 at 11:52 AM, Squirrel12 said:

Am I wrong to think she's kinda perfect as she is? 

It's an opinion to think she's perfect, you're not wrong for having it. I disagree completely, though. On the power side of things disregarding fun, for newer players she's a good easy character, but not as good or as easy as Wendy. For more experienced players she doesn't really bring anything. On the fun side of things disregarding power, I don't think "Combat is shorter but you can't eat bluecaps" is a very fun character.