I kinda don't want a Wigfrid rework.

[Mike23Ua]

4 hours ago, Well-met said:

wigfrid hunts more

wigfrid needs gold more than everyone else

wigfrid has her own crafts

very poor argument.

Not really.. Wigfrids craftables require no unique gameplay- Do helms require you to hunt down, kill your hunts and use their parts to craft better battle armor? If hunting is a core part of Wigfrids gameplay.. then Maybe she should be rewarded from doing it.

Because I’m just gonna leave a disclaimer here: All it takes is one dead rabbit, or one dead bird + 3 Ice in a cooking pot and Wigfrid is set for life.

So it’s more like Hunts are Optional for her at best.

Unlike Wendy’s Divining Rod & Pipspook... I wouldn’t call Hunts tide down to playing as Wigfrid.

That could change with her rework and I fully expect it to, if Wigfrid isn’t killing stuff, hunting stuff to kill etc, and therefore not fulfilling her role as a Viking, Then she should start to slip out of the persona because- Wigfrid is NOT a real Viking Warrior, even her in game compendium tells players this.

Klei could make higher tier Wigfrid crafts- but with a catch, Wigfrid has to get the pig king championship belts, trade them in to Pig King and then engage in glorious battle against Warrior pigs for Wigfrid Rewards.

It fits her does it not? Partaking in Sparing fights with Pig Kings Warriors...

Currently this is merely a side mini-game anyone can do by waiting until a pig spawns wearing a Belt, kill them then taking the belt to the pig king but WIGFRID would want to show her dominance at it as a (at least she thinks so) Mighty Viking Warrior.

[Pine G]

Dedicated Wigfrid player here - I can confirm that she is an already well-designed character, but I completely disagree with the statement that she doesn't need a rework. As others have mentioned before me, her playstyle is simple and straightforward, yet it does become bland after time (speaking from experience). Her character has great potential for new interesting mechanics that would make playing her even more enjoyable, and I can't wait to see what her rework has to offer. 

[Scrimbles]

Just posting the two sound downloads again, since my previous efforts didn't work.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/623666104937480192/749400619454038096/quote_Wigfrid_DST-001.wav

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/623666104937480192/749400618224844890/song_Wigfrid_DST-003.wav

[Yuuko]

I think it would be cool if they took away the base stats of her battle helms, but rather made everyone within a certain distance from her gain an aura buff when wearing one.  The aura buff could be a selectable so she could have a tanking song, a sanity song, dps song, running song ect.  Basically you couldn't craft helms and swap anymore, just having the battlehelm wouldn't be as good, but if you're wearing one WITH Wigfrid you'd be better off.

Of course since Wigfrid is always with Wigfrid she'd always have these available in addition to her normal character buffs.

I trust Klei to not f anything up too bad, or if they do to be willing to change it further.  This isn't the first set of reworks they've done.

On 9/2/2020 at 10:52 AM, Squirrel12 said:

Especially after seeing the problems with recent characters like Walter, I'm really concerned.

What are your problems with Walter?

[QuitePositiveGC]

 

17 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

Not really.. Wigfrids craftables require no unique gameplay- Do helms require you to hunt down, kill your hunts and use their parts to craft better battle armor? If hunting is a core part of Wigfrids gameplay.. then Maybe she should be rewarded from doing it.

Because I’m just gonna leave a disclaimer here: All it takes is one dead rabbit, or one dead bird + 3 Ice in a cooking pot and Wigfrid is set for life.

So it’s more like Hunts are Optional for her at best.

Unlike Wendy’s Divining Rod & Pipspook... I wouldn’t call Hunts tide down to playing as Wigfrid.

That could change with her rework and I fully expect it to, if Wigfrid isn’t killing stuff, hunting stuff to kill etc, and therefore not fulfilling her role as a Viking, Then she should start to slip out of the persona because- Wigfrid is NOT a real Viking Warrior, even her in game compendium tells players this.

Klei could make higher tier Wigfrid crafts- but with a catch, Wigfrid has to get the pig king championship belts, trade them in to Pig King and then engage in glorious battle against Warrior pigs for Wigfrid Rewards.

It fits her does it not? Partaking in Sparing fights with Pig Kings Warriors...

Currently this is merely a side mini-game anyone can do by waiting until a pig spawns wearing a Belt, kill them then taking the belt to the pig king but WIGFRID would want to show her dominance at it as a (at least she thinks so) Mighty Viking Warrior.

- "A viking warrior" -

 

I belive the word you're looking for is Valkyrie; a female warrior from norse mythology know for their incredible skill in battle.

[DirtWolf]

42 minutes ago, GamerCat11 said:

 

- "A viking warrior" -

 

I belive the word you're looking for is Valkyrie; a female warrior from norse mythology know for their incredible skill in battle.

She refers to herself as a viking warrior many times, as does the rest of the cast.

[Superlucas1231]

12 hours ago, DirtWolf said:

She refers to herself as a viking warrior many times, as does the rest of the cast.

I mean, her vignette does say she has the "valor and confidence of a Valkyrie." 

[cropo]

Maybe she herself is a viking or descended from vikings, and plays the role of a Valkyrie?

[pedregales]

You don't have to worry one bit. They are going to keep the current Wigfrid intact (or mostly intact), even if they add roles, battlecry, battle abilities or whatever. Whatever they do, they are only going to add to Wigfrid, I say this mostly because the community doesn't really want a re-work for Wigfrid. Just look at Wendy for an example of what to expect from Wigfrid.

Personally though, I hope they don't add more level-up armor/weapon (for example, a stronger helmet or spear/sword). The thing the game needs the least is another item that becomes obsolete once you get access to the improved version (think: breezy vest vs puffy vest, tam o' shanter vs almost any sanity headgear, spectral cure-all vs revenant restorative, eyebrella vs any other umbrella, etc.). I can accept 1 body slot armor as that opens the head slot (in case you want to use it for whatever thing), and I can accept armors and weapons with special effects, but that last part would require a considerable change to DST's code to be viable and I just don't see that happening unless they pair Wigfrid's re-work with a Return of Them update.

6 hours ago, Superlucas1231 said:

I mean, her vignette does say she has the "valor and confidence of a Valkyrie." 

That is not really what it says though. It basically says that Wigfrid is playing a valkyrie/viking warrior, and that the valor and confidence was the hardest part of the role to play for her ("The valor and confidence of a Valkyrie didn't always come naturally to Wigfrid [...]"). This also tells us that the real Wigfrid had many doubts and fears before fully becoming the viking character.

I wouldn't be surprised if she is really a valkyrie or viking though, but at least until now, everything around Wigfrid says she is an obsessively dedicated actress playing a valkyrie/viking warrior.

[YumoS]

wouldnt it be cool if she could change roles with a cooldown? i mean she is a fierce warrior who only eats meat and then she changes her role and she becomes a cute little thing who only eats veggies and is good with animals?

[gghhrr]

I don't think Wigfrid need a buff or nerf, she is strong enough, can be overpowered when an experienced player take control of her

she got better combat durability and power compare to any characters ( average better than Wolfgang when both are not well prepared )

 

someone argued that she is not useful as any character ( Wilson:Excuse me? )

she might not be easy as Wendy, but she is definitely more easier and powerful than Wendy in most bosses fight

 

carnivore was an unique gameplay experience in Single Player, but now Wurt is here, and there are more ways to obtain meat food in game while very poor number of ways to get veggie/fruit

 

battlecry for team vampiric? sounds like a worse version Wortox's soul ( I prefer she reduce or prevent entire team losing sanity from insanity aura when certain conditions met)

 

Let us be honest, ALL THE CHANGE SHE NEED IS

Spoiler

•  Wigfrid can now forcely feed any character(include Wurt) meat food

 

 

Thanks for watching

[DaZoul]

5 hours ago, YumoS said:

wouldnt it be cool if she could change roles with a cooldown? i mean she is a fierce warrior who only eats meat and then she changes her role and she becomes a cute little thing who only eats veggies and is good with animals?

ehhh, not really. Vikings/Valkyries are her thing. Not animals, and most definitely not veggies. She only plays Wigfrid, she is obsessed with her, if you take a look at her house. Also, it would be pretty lame to turn her into another Woodie.

[Mike23Ua]

2 hours ago, DaZoul said:

ehhh, not really. Vikings/Valkyries are her thing. Not animals, and most definitely not veggies. She only plays Wigfrid, she is obsessed with her, if you take a look at her house. Also, it would be pretty lame to turn her into another Woodie.

The thing is- Many people believe that Winnifred is the Unimplemented “Scrapped” Concept of what later became Wigfrid, She is what Klei was designing... prior to later scraping her & creating Wigfrid.

Hopefully after Wigfrid gets her Rework- and we all know how Klei wants her to play, someone at Klei will finally put to rest the mystery behind Winnifred & tell us why she ended up scrapped.

I am personally hoping that they will add small “traces” of Winnie into Wigfrids personality- as sort of finally giving Wigfrid an actual.. impactful downside beyond just only being able to eat meat.

For Example: Wigfrid is only Wigfrid because she took the ROLE of being a Viking/Valkyrie so serious that she lost her real identity within the role, but if Wigfrid is not doing Viking/Valkyrie stuff: Aka Hunting, fighting, killing stuff, eating meats, etc- Then she should start showing small traces of slipping out of her Viking Warrior role- Aka.. revealing her true identity to be animal loving farmer girl Winnifred, who couldn’t harm so much as Rabbit, without taking a serious hit to her Sanity.

This is probably NOT the direction Klei plans to take Wigfrid in.. but for anyone who is interested- HERE is Winnie.

https://dontstarve.fandom.com/wiki/Unimplemented_Characters
 

[ArubaroBeefalo]

16 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

The thing is- Many people believe that Winnifred is the Unimplemented “Scrapped” Concept of what later became Wigfrid, She is what Klei was designing... prior to later scraping her & creating Wigfrid.

Hopefully after Wigfrid gets her Rework- and we all know how Klei wants her to play, someone at Klei will finally put to rest the mystery behind Winnifred & tell us why she ended up scrapped.

I am personally hoping that they will add small “traces” of Winnie into Wigfrids personality- as sort of finally giving Wigfrid an actual.. impactful downside beyond just only being able to eat meat.

For Example: Wigfrid is only Wigfrid because she took the ROLE of being a Viking/Valkyrie so serious that she lost her real identity within the role, but if Wigfrid is not doing Viking/Valkyrie stuff: Aka Hunting, fighting, killing stuff, eating meats, etc- Then she should start showing small traces of slipping out of her Viking Warrior role- Aka.. revealing her true identity to be animal loving farmer girl Winnifred, who couldn’t harm so much as Rabbit, without taking a serious hit to her Sanity.

This is probably NOT the direction Klei plans to take Wigfrid in.. but for anyone who is interested- HERE is Winnie.

https://dontstarve.fandom.com/wiki/Unimplemented_Characters
 

or maybe they just recycle the desing of a discarted character to make a new one and wigfrid only plays a viking warrior

ockham razor

[AlternateMew]

Much as I think the idea of Wigfrid having her abilities tied to her current costume and switching between Wigfrid/Winnie is cool, it seems that people who main her don't like the idea of that, and that should be respected. I know it would bother me if non-Webber mains insisted on something I wouldn't enjoy as Webber.

[reddocc]

No!, I do want a Wigfrid rework, seeing how the Wendy rework went I believe Klei will not disappoint us.

[Pikapikap]

3 hours ago, Pedrito said:

No!, I do want a Wigfrid rework, seeing how the Wendy rework went I believe Klei will not disappoint us.

+1

[LunaBuns]

I’ve mained Wig for as long as I’ve been playing DST. As much as I love her as she already is, I’m excited to see what Klei does with her rework. I trust that anything they do will be in our best interest as this is not the first character rework they’ve done. 

[Yuuko]

18 hours ago, gghhrr said:

I don't think Wigfrid need a buff or nerf, she is strong enough, can be overpowered when an experienced player take control of her

she got better combat durability and power compare to any characters ( average better than Wolfgang when both are not well prepared )

IF the player is experienced they will be prepared => Wolfgang is better.

You have to make a very arbitrary case to try and push Wigfrid above Wolfgang.  If she could possibly best Wolfgang we'd see Wigfrid star in a lot more speed runs and general "How to beat boss with skill Wolfgang"

That doesn't mean people don't love Wigfrid, or that Wigfrid is a bad character but I don't buy that she could possibly be rated "OP" next to Wendy, Wolfgang, or Wickerbottom.

[gghhrr]

25 minutes ago, Shosuko said:

IF the player is experienced they will be prepared => Wolfgang is better.

You have to make a very arbitrary case to try and push Wigfrid above Wolfgang.  If she could possibly best Wolfgang we'd see Wigfrid star in a lot more speed runs and general "How to beat boss with skill Wolfgang"

That doesn't mean people don't love Wigfrid, or that Wigfrid is a bad character but I don't buy that she could possibly be rated "OP" next to Wendy, Wolfgang, or Wickerbottom.

Wolfgang is stronger at combat at full potential doesn't mean => Wolfgang is better than Wigfrid

( especially when you count problems averagely happen in, like "random delay connection", "inexperienced or experienced player", this is why I say she is average better than Wolfgang because she has very good passive, takes 25% less damage and deals 25% more damage, and in fact she is more often chosen compare to Wolfgang in pub server ) 

and the reason I never pick Wigfrid or Wolfgang agn because both of them make all the bosses fight too easy and bring nothing really fun in long term

 

Wigfrid is still pretty good choice for inexperienced or experienced player, she can easily craft helmet at lower cost while those materials(rocks and gold) are in tons, which is definitely better than those people who just hammer down 99 pig houses and pig sticks and go ruin rush but just to get extra light and warm while we can just easily make ourselves one from firepit, endo pit, or furnace. and gears on surface upon world gen are completely enough to maintain a medium base needs, why rush? you will get bored earlier

her better helmet correct random stranger friend's reckless mistake in pub server which already bring benefits to team

there are more speedrun vid as Wolfgang, but there are MOOORE Wigfrid players you can find in server (but why would we really care or it matters how fast you can raid a boss when we just minding mega base or some cool designs)

maybe it is my fault that I didn't make my term "not well prepared" sounds clear, I mean, a Wigfrid can mindlessly destroy a lots of tier 3 spiders den or etc boss mobs until battle spear is broken upon joining the game, while Wolfgang still need time to explore and gather resources to approach same or better effort

 

and the term "OP" is very different between you and me, I could be wrong but your OP seems to be meaning killing a boss or mob faster than anyone = OP, then a team of 40 Wes players is definitely OP, because they can kill anything in one instant, Wes is OP! Nerf Wes Pls!

my "OP" is that you still able to make great effort as the character without knowing the game very well. For Example, "Look, a random stupid dead Wigfrid player's loot on Day 2! GREAT!! I GOT FREE HELMET AND SPEAR by just joining"

 

I admit raiding a boss in very short time need some tactics and rng sometimes but I still want to say building a base that lasts very Looooooong in public survival server is definitely way more difficult ( premise you and everyone won't be on all the time ), the most challenging part is just about what kind of cool design would let griefer giving up griefing or new comer won't want to reset server by suicide when everyone went to sleep? you might've seen every speedrun video but did you find any public server can never be resetted? (except beta update)

[Karitha]

This update is gonna be like Woodie update. It's will not satisfies everyone.

I understand some person wants she should be same bc she is already balanced (little op for me) but if she don't get new powers, she will get forget in reworked characters. She should have interesting, special, unique powers which none of characters have. I hope she don't get damage/heakth buffs and stuffs like that. She needs tangible powers.

 

Also is the update on 14 of September?

[cropo]

Wigfrid empowers new players to reach content and survive longer than they'd be able to on most other characters due to her trivial healing(which is usually a hurdle most players need to pass in this game since healing isn't as easy as your standard AAA game). Offers access to a better spear, a helmet that doesn't require knowledge of pig farming or making werepigs for pigskin.  

 

 

Wolfgang empowers good players to be ''gooder'' at speedrunning content. If you're fighting Deerclops, you get like 3-5 hits in depending on your speed boost, no amount of skill can change this....you can either do it or you can't. In this sense, Wolfgang would be the better option if you're only concerned about efficiency because you'll end the fight roughly twice as fast. His inherent speed boosts negates the need to equip a magi, or bolsters one further if he equips it.

 

So in an end game situation where a player wants to get the most benefit out of combat related tasks(Wigfrid is a combat character), they would be better off picking Wolfgang. I don't think there's any room to even consider this ''just an opinion''.

 

The fact that Wigfrid is picked more than Wolfgang has no bearing on this either, I'd certainly rather play Wigfrid because I strongly dislike Wolfgangs looks...but I am making the educated choice knowing I'd be picking the weaker option because I don't care, not because I think Wigfrid is ''comparable'' to Wolf.

 

The only way Wigfrid is better than Wolfgang, is if the player using them isn't good enough to use Wolfgang...that doesn't make Wigfrid better, that just makes the player not quite ready to do crazy stuff the speedrunners do.

[AlternateMew]

I don't know how controversial this statement will be, but I'm going to say it.

In her current state, based on discussion in this thread and personal experience, Wigfrid in Dont Starve Together has Wilson's role in Don't Starve.

She's the "easy pick" who makes it easy to regain health and sanity (good for newbies) with easily farmable decent tier gear (good for newbies), takes less damage and deals more damage (good for newbies), while encouraging learning how to fight to survive (good for newbies). But for everything she can do, an experienced player can do it better with a different character.

I won't humor the lag arguments, because a character shouldn't be better than another only when the player is being screwed by lag.

Just an observation. Make what you will of that.

[Well-met]

newbies don't know how to not eat vegetables and mass produce her helms. I don't believe that one second.

she's super popular in asia because their playerbase suffers from heavy delays that makes kiting impossible. I'd say "less punishing for lag" is a legitimate niche, albeit questionable.

[MondayNight]

59 minutes ago, AlternateMew said:

I don't know how controversial this statement will be, but I'm going to say it.

In her current state, based on discussion in this thread and personal experience, Wigfrid in Dont Starve Together has Wilson's role in Don't Starve.

She's the "easy pick" who makes it easy to regain health and sanity (good for newbies) with easily farmable decent tier gear (good for newbies), takes less damage and deals more damage (good for newbies), while encouraging learning how to fight to survive (good for newbies). But for everything she can do, an experienced player can do it better with a different character.

I won't humor the lag arguments, because a character shouldn't be better than another only when the player is being screwed by lag.

Just an observation. Make what you will of that.

The newbie/noob/casual player angle doesn't really cut it: is way easier to chug random berries and carrots found on ground than actively searching for threats like Koale, Ewe and Vargs pose. Plus not very intuitive to wait till Koale is asleep or corner it on a map margin for aggro. Indeed her pluses fair well against bad ping and rubberbanding - still this problem is more wide-spread than you think: most people around globe don't have high-end fiber optic speeds or servers close to their locations. In fact in my area for example (Eastern Europe) I see a lot of Middle Easterners and Asians (India and China especially) with atrocious connectivity yet upon inquiring why they subject themselves to such poor gaming conditions, most times answer was "it's my only option to play with people". Wigfrid is the one-and-only character mitigating lag and/or rubberband as a less punishing fighting character. And I for one consider her niche from this pov being well justified (by numbers) and should account as arguments go.