Are there any naturally generated structures that have a chance to not spawn in your world

[JaccK1618]

Hello. I just want to know if your world hasn't been fully explored, are there some structures like the Gigantic Beehive or Walrus Camp that have a chance to not spawn or will they always spawn al least one in each world? If you have any answers for these generations, please let me know.

Pig King

Gigantic Beehive

Walrus Camp

Tallbird Nest

That moon stone summon thing

Rock Den

Thank you.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

always, unless there is some bug in world generator, you must have a pig king in decidious biome, a gigantic beehive in gasslands,  atleast 1 walrus camp in the moon stone wood (or 4 if you get the 3 walrus camp biome), rock den in mosaic biome and the moon stone for the star caller staff

 

Tallbir nest are not guaranteed

[Nino123]

Walrus camp always spawn. But you cans also have a triple camp (so 4 camps ). Beehive always spawn too and Pig King. Gloomer statue may disappear, depend of the world generation.

[Warlockadamm]

-Glommer statue sometimes doesn't spawn, i think it's a bug and not a feature

-For some reason i once got an entire ruin that was lifeless. Everything that came back with reseting the ruins didn't spawn (no splumonkey, no ancient guardian, no thulecite statue, no nothing)

Spoiler

 

Never encountered the things you mentionned not spawnning but i wouldn't take them out of the field of possibilities...  ;-;

[ADM]

Things like Bee Queen Hive, Rock Den and Walrus Camp are considered as count prefabs that should always spawn in their respective locations, since they're not structures the game have a lot of empty space to make them spawn. But things like Tallbird Nests are distributed randomly where they should spawn, so you cannot guarantee they spawned (but you can use commands like c_countprefabs to figure out...)

 

The Glommer's Statue for example works the same way but it is a structure that require way more space, so UNLESS the biome have a very bad configuration you should have it as well but there is a minor chance for this setpiece to be skipped just like Moose spawners and many others. There's only one setpiece that is 100% required by the game and it's the Pig King, the worldgen loop until it spawned.

Other setpieces such as the Dragonfly Area or the Oasis have dedicated rooms in your world so they should never fail to appear.

3 minutes ago, Warlockadamm said:

-For some reason i once got an entire ruin that was lifeless. Everything that came back with reseting the ruins didn't spawn (no splumonkey, no ancient guardian, no thulecite statue, no nothing)

Tbh I got scared as hell when this happened to me on a map I loved, but it got fixed after I regenerated the hole caves ! Then it never happened again...

[JaccK1618]

37 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

always, unless there is some bug in world generator, you must have a pig king in decidious biome, a gigantic beehive in gasslands,  atleast 1 walrus camp in the moon stone wood (or 4 if you get the 3 walrus camp biome), rock den in mosaic biome and the moon stone for the star caller staff

 

Tallbir nest are not guaranteed

ok thanks

[Owlrust]

Yes, best-friend camps are guaranteed. At least one friend near the moon stone, and 3 more friends if you're lucky with world generation; that's really all you need though, as everything else is sub-par in comparison.

[Charlie Dark]

don't worry about walrus camps. One ALWAYS spawns near the moonrock event setpiece, the pig king always spawns too, glommer, again she always spawns too

@Warlockadamm Yesterday when I was rushing the ruins...again.. I also found something similar to your's, a "huge" area with TONS of damaged knights.. I literally found only 3 bishops? then I kept trying to find the arena but I couldn't find the maze, I also remembered that  a KLEI dev once said "there's a chance that the maze may not spawn"

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scroll all the way down, you can see the dev's reply 

[Viktor234]

11 minutes ago, Charlie Dark said:

glommer, again she always spawns too

Disagree: I've already seen at least three world generations without any glommer statue at all.

[Charlie Dark]

Just now, Viktor234 said:

Disagree: I've already seen at least three world generations without any glommer statue at all.

are you on console? I'm on PC, and I swear, every time I make a new world I always find glommer, I've never got a world without one! and I've been playing since november 2019, across multiple worlds ofc

[Viktor234]

4 minutes ago, Charlie Dark said:

are you on console? I'm on PC, and I swear, every time I make a new world I always find glommer, I've never got a world without one! and I've been playing since november 2019, across multiple worlds ofc

And I swear that I also make every time a new world and I find worlds without Glommer Statue:

That one is actually an old world (before RoT) played on a Klei Official server, yet there wasn't any single glommer statue in the PK biome or any other biome.

Another world I played recently on a Klei Official Server had the lunar connected with main island, but again there wasn't any single glommer statue in that world:

(Seed: 1582867023)

It's a bit hard to see but we did scout the whole PK biome and any other biome, but we didn't find any single Glommer Statue.

[CaptainChaotica]

(raises hand)  I've had a World Without a Glommer. You can count me as another member of that club.  It's definitely a thing.

...Notorious

[glooomy]

As far as I know, you're always suppose to have this set piece spawn:

 

But my friend once had I world that the Marble Rook didn't spawn. She had the set piece, just no Rook in the middle.

She didn't realize until day 1000+ when she finally decided to try and kill Ancient Fuelweaver ahaha. Since there was no Marble Rook- that meant no Shadow Rook, no Shadow Atrium, and ultimately no Fuelweaver.

[rico0]

5 minutes ago, reichull said:

As far as I know, you're always suppose to have this set piece spawn:

 

But my friend once had I world that the Marble Rook didn't spawn. She had the set piece, just no Rook in the middle.

She didn't realize until day 1000+ when she finally decided to try and kill Ancient Fuelweaver ahaha. Since there was no Marble Rook- that meant no Shadow Rook, no Shadow Atrium, and ultimately no Fuelweaver.

you can still craft if you have  and then giving to pig king, that you get from 
(following Don't starve unofficial wikipedia)

[glooomy]

@coheru Unfortunately it seems the chance for the Rook trinket to drop from tumbleweed only happens after mining the Marble Rook statue.

[Charlie Dark]

I have a theory, maybe the "dedicated" Klei servers well, maybe they don't spawn glommer on purpose? since griefers could kill glommer to spawn krampii, and ultimately have the krampii destroy chests and steal loot

[Maxil20]

8 minutes ago, Charlie Dark said:

I have a theory, maybe the "dedicated" Klei servers well, maybe they don't spawn glommer on purpose? since griefers could kill glommer to spawn krampii, and ultimately have the krampii destroy chests and steal loot

I find that highly unlikely, since not only would that be very impractical, but there are far easier tools at a griefer’s disposal.

The main thing that seems to do it is really wonky decid generation. In most of the glommerless examples, the decid gets really odd when it’s near PK, which might indicate the glommer set piece spawns on invalid terrain and as a result doesn’t generate. And, unless I’m mistaken, it’s not on the list of things that are force generated in the world (and that includes the pig king, the ancient guardian, and the Maxwell statue with 8 harp statues and a knight), so there’s a small but possible chance to just have it not exist at all.

[Viktor234]

9 minutes ago, Charlie Dark said:

I have a theory, maybe the "dedicated" Klei servers well, maybe they don't spawn glommer on purpose? since griefers could kill glommer to spawn krampii, and ultimately have the krampii destroy chests and steal loot

Well, if you call that griefing, then you might never have seen the work of a real griefer.

[Charlie Dark]

1 hour ago, Viktor234 said:

Well, if you call that griefing, then you might never have seen the work of a real griefer.

as I said it's just a theory.. Plus I don't have the guts to join a public server :/ and most likely never will

[sinisterrkid]

It has only happened to me in single DS, but never in DST, that I once got a world without Walrus Camps (I even tried c_gonext: walrus_camp) and at another time I got a world without Glommer statue.

 

As someone else said, Tall bird nests are by design never guaranteed

[Maxposting]

47 minutes ago, Charlie Dark said:

as I said it's just a theory.

A GAME THEORY.

[ShadowDuelist]

On 3/29/2020 at 11:30 AM, reichull said:

As far as I know, you're always suppose to have this set piece spawn:

 But my friend once had I world that the Marble Rook didn't spawn. She had the set piece, just no Rook in the middle.

She didn't realize until day 1000+ when she finally decided to try and kill Ancient Fuelweaver ahaha. Since there was no Marble Rook- that meant no Shadow Rook, no Shadow Atrium, and ultimately no Fuelweaver.

I currently have a world (a few months old, not ages old) where neither of these marble statues, or their suspicious parts, spawned. I had to use the console to check where they were after searching the entire map, just to confirm they didn't exist in my world. 

Since this is most likely a game-breaking bug, I spawned them using console commands to just keep going, but if this happens on PS4 or XBOX, yeah, RIP fuelweaver fight

[luv]

On 29/3/2020 at 9:41 AM, reichull said:

@coheru Unfortunately it seems the chance for the Rook trinket to drop from tumbleweed only happens after mining the Marble Rook statue.

wut, where did you get this?

[minespatch]

1 hour ago, __IvoCZE__ said:

A GAME THEORY.

[CaptainChaotica]

OH NOES!  SAVE US FROM THE EVIL MATPAT! (and then of course, it'll turn out Stephanie was the one actually pulling the strings in the background all along...)

6 hours ago, Charlie Dark said:

I have a theory, maybe the "dedicated" Klei servers well, maybe they don't spawn glommer on purpose? since griefers could kill glommer to spawn krampii, and ultimately have the krampii destroy chests and steal loot

Maybe that's also possible, but this happened on my own personal server.  It's also the world where I had the Ridiculously Epic Death in spring, I think.  (The one where I was being chased by hounds, in the dark, ran past THREE MGoose nests, accidentally blundered into a couple large spiderwebs, then it started raining frogs, got hit by lightning like FOUR TIMES in the same night, and finally died of....freezing.  HEY, springtime freezing!  Topical!)  I also know I've definitely seen Glommer in publics.

6 hours ago, Viktor234 said:

Well, if you call that griefing, then you might never have seen the work of a real griefer.

It still counts as a TYPE of griefing.  Just because something isn't the most extreme example of a thing, doesn't mean it's out of the category.  : P  Of course, a REAL jerk move would be if you summoned the Big Foot to just FLATTEN someone's camp, with the Old Bell (speaking of Glommer-related stuff).  And that's WHY that was removed.

Birch forests in general seem to be a hair prone to wonky generation, since I'm pretty sure that's how I got the Oasis Cat long ago.

Game was like "Oh, catcoon dens might spawn in a group of birch trees, right?  Well, HERE'S some!"  XD   I think that's been specifically tweaked though, as I haven't seen that since.

...Notorious