Junksteel Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 @tzionut is talking about it for ages. Now that I'm mining a considerable part of the map I'm having to create dozens of storage bins only to keep abyssalite and the sad part is that I will have that mass sitting around in those bins forever. As almost every resource in the game, abyssalite should be used for something. Insulation isn't the answer as it's not really needed in that scale. Also, it's pretty slow (not to say expensive) to be produced. As demonstrated before by @tzionut, feeding abyss bugs can't solve the problem too. I won't even try as he was pretty vocal about his experiments here. I would be happy to destroy it in an incinerator/trash bin we unfortunatelly don't have. For the roundness and smoothness, please give us a way to use/destroy abyssalite at release. Not a hard change to be implemented and it would make a positive difference for many of us (I believe). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathmanican Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 4 hours ago, Junksteel said: I would be happy to destroy it in an incinerator/trash bin we unfortunatelly don't have. Till then, build a 1 by 1 room with only a single conveyor chute in it. Then build a single regular storage bin somewhere near this, with a sweeper arm set to take anything you want to throw away. Then let the sweeper arm take the stuff into this 1 by 1 room. If the dupes can't reach it, it won't affect pathing. Yes, you will have to deal with heat calcululations for time and all eternity, but those will at least be done with 25t chunks. I agree. A trash/incinerator would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightinggale Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 4 hours ago, Junksteel said: For the roundness and smoothness, please give us a way to use/destroy abyssalite at release. Well, now you can dump in a black hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 6 hours ago, Junksteel said: I would be happy to destroy it in an incinerator/trash bin we unfortunatelly don't have. I have been asking for a "trash catapult" to fire solids (and annoying dupes) into space for ages. An incinerator for the same purpose would do well too. Or maybe an atomizer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightinggale Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 5 minutes ago, Gurgel said: I have been asking for a "trash catapult" to fire solids (and annoying dupes) into space for ages. An incinerator for the same purpose would do well too. Or maybe an atomizer? Catapult into space + incinerator. How is that different from adding a black hole in a storage compactor? Regardless of how much you store, it keeps on being empty. Also to be completely honest I thought the requests for such a device would stop once I released a mod to handle the issue. However apparently not... not even in a thread where I already linked to my new mod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathmanican Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 2 hours ago, Nightinggale said: Well, now you can dump in a black hole. Bless you. Bless you! Awesome mod! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 4 hours ago, Nightinggale said: Catapult into space + incinerator. How is that different from adding a black hole in a storage compactor? Regardless of how much you store, it keeps on being empty. Also to be completely honest I thought the requests for such a device would stop once I released a mod to handle the issue. However apparently not... not even in a thread where I already linked to my new mod Your solution lacks a certain finesse and spectacle. Also, can it dispose of dupes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzionut Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 I prefer more uses for abyssalite. We can't yet pump lava sow maybe mix abyssalite whit thermium for some 1700 degrees pumps this is the hard way. Some decoration, or maybe use it for drywall or thermoplates. The easiest way is to be able to crush it again. Before Space upgrade and the isolation introduction this was possible, now no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightinggale Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 13 hours ago, mathmanican said: Bless you. Bless you! Awesome mod! Are you saying I have become number one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathmanican Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 I am just grateful for the mod. Keep up the awesome work. Thanks. I look forward to seeing what kind of cool creations come from multiple input/outputs, as your work progresses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasza22 Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 I think there needs to be a mid tier crafting station, with some chemical stuff so you can change abyssalite into something useful. Or maybe crush it into some kind of mineral that can be used as insulation but not as good. Or maybe they will add concrete with different types, one using abyssalite for extra insulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denisetwin Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, Sasza22 said: I think there needs to be a mid tier crafting station, with some chemical stuff so you can change abyssalite into something useful. OOOOOOOOOOOOO I like this idea! I hope you submitted a suggestion for it, post the link and we can go upvote it. Or whatever it is here - like it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasza22 Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, Denisetwin said: I hope you submitted a suggestion for it, post the link and we can go upvote it. I made a few syggestion about it months ago. I don`t feel like making it again. I`ll wait for new elements that come with the release preview and maybe then i`ll suggest some more recipies and the chemical station again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Sasza22 said: I`ll wait for new elements that come with the release preview and maybe then i`ll suggest some more recipies and the chemical station again. Same here. Abyssalite is one of the things that they may well be using for the final content extension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DepravityCat Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 How about having a varient of shove voles that eat it? So you can either get rid of it, or, if you're highly strategic with your ranch, get them to poop out the insulating wall for a high temp build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0stalicska Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 15 hours ago, DepravityCat said: How about having a varient of shove voles that eat it? So you can either get rid of it, or, if you're highly strategic with your ranch, get them to poop out the insulating wall for a high temp build. Ohh, yes I'd be so annoyed and overjoyed by trying to micromanage those stupid voles to **** me wall. I love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellshound38 Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 I think all insulated type creations should just additionally require abyssalite or abysalite fibers made from the rock crusher. This would gate insulated tiles and pipes into mid teir ish requiring a rock crusher and/or abysalite mining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derringer Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 On 6/8/2019 at 1:33 AM, Hellshound38 said: abysalite fibers made from the rock crusher Crushing the abyssalite and/or deconstructing anything built with the fibres then disperses Microfibre 'germs', with a small chance to inflict Mesothelioma if inhaled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daxterr Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 Use the black hole mod. I just got rid of all my abyssalite it feels gooooood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnFrancis Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 @JunksteelMaybe you are already aware but in case you are not, have you experienced the power of the new Automatic Dispenser? It's a storage bin that dumps stuff on the ground in front of it. Build 4 of them that output to the same tile, set them to everything that does not off gas and tick sweep only. I have 95% of all the resources of the map, on one tile, in a vacuum. Make that tile out of insulation and it's calculations drop to zero. It's amazing how few pathing options dupes have, when literally all the resource pickups for construction are all in one tile. Few pieces of advice recess it into the ground two tiles, dupes can still access it but they are less likely to be exposed to the enormous negative decor of that much debris. If you are putting regolith/hot stuff in there don't dump algae in there as it will heat up, form a dirt tile and suddenly all your resources don't exist as they are entombed in dirt. Oh..... if you want to remove the Abyssalite from the game you could dump it all in one spot and then entomb it in dirt or ice. A little magma would form a nice rock tile. Phosphorite would also do in a pinch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzionut Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 @JohnFrancis i use the dispencer but this is not a solution. the game will calculate on every loading the amount of abyssalite and other resources, the temp, etc. If is no large quantity is nothing to calculate. Also if you dig abyssalite in the magma section of the map and store it in the same region you will have packs at 25 tones whit different temperatures. Even if the weight plate give the total amount, the abyssalite is divided in packs at 25 tones. If i wand shorter loading times the only solution is less resources available on the map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnFrancis Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 @tzionutWhat happens if you entomb the abyssalite in something? I have accidentally entombed thousands of tons of material in dirt and it's temperature remained stable despite containing many different chunks of debris of wildly varying temps. Last I tested the entombed material stops exchange temp don't know about map load and other such things as this is a real edge case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junksteel Posted July 9, 2019 Author Share Posted July 9, 2019 Just noticed how Abyssalite is even worse. Wild plants don't grow on top of it. Useless... I'm using JF design to pile it up but I hate this mineral. It's worthless if kept natural (except for insulation purposes) and even worse if mined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watermelen671 Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Well, can't Hatches eat it? They hard nerfed Abyssalite, changing it from an impossible to melt building material that doesn't allow any heat exchange, to what it is now. Honestly I was mulling over the idea of having Abyssalite being able to be converted to it's Agricultural counterpart: Tungsten Diselenide. It has a melting point exceeding 1475 Kelvin, and...I dunno, the game tells me it's suitable for power systems, and @MF99K tells me it's used in making solar panels so...make your own conclusion. I mean, the code is all there, but it's so old that I'm not sure if it's even usable now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimgaw Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Junksteel said: Just noticed how Abyssalite is even worse. Wild plants don't grow on top of it. Useless... I remember the times when it it truly was useless. Like no use at all. You couldn't even sweep it. The recipe for Insulation is still in the game and Abyss Bugs still exist, so I'll categorically disagree that it's useless. On the note of useless though, can we change our focus to Sulphur, Phosphorus (different than Phosphorite) and Naphta? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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