clues Notes about unspoken stuff: Thulecite

[Tapirus]

As we know, thulecite is a valuable but scarce material only found in the ruins, item necessary to craft different tools for the characters, once we reunite enough fragments to elobate a more refined version of him.

Besides his magic properties, ¿What if the thulecite is partially from organic origin or from another dimension?

In the nature, diverse beings are capable of make some tools acording to his needs, like the chimpanzee, the otter and the raven. Humans are very good example of this.

But, between the many example ahead us, some arthropods and molluscs have a curious variation.

Honey is a substance produced by bees, food with healing propeties. Spiders make silk thanks to his special glands. Ants are capable of produce fungal farms. Through secretions, snail makes and repairs his shell.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinneret

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/11/science/ant-fungus-farmers-evolution.amp.html 

https://academic.oup.com/beheco/article/23/6/1250/190539# 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastropod_shell

Walls show the ancient civilization getting rocks & gems from mining, but no thulecite. 

So, ¿Probably the thulecite was made by the "bug people" or combining energies of external sources (aka the Shadow, Moon & "Unknown")?. 

[minespatch]

I'd love more lore on thulecite myself. Thule was named from a island in Sweden or in that particular direction.

[Zeklo]

Using unimplemented content as evidence is always risky, but the unused broken atrium statue shows this:

Spoiler

Essentially, if the atrium statues actually are the ancients' remains [after turning into shadow creatures] then thulecite is a byproduct of that transformation.

[Ham3d]

9 minutes ago, Zeklo said:

then thulecite is a byproduct of that transformation.

like werepig/hound moonrock statues !

[axxel]

Here is my interpretation. According to the mural it looks like the Ancients feed the "thing" in the portal with stuff. There are withered plants and a fishbone depicted under the portal. So live energy is transformed into dark fuel. Maybe it's the downfall because the thing in the portal craved for more. Like the Gnaw.

[Tapirus]

5 hours ago, Zeklo said:

Using unimplemented content as evidence is always risky, but the unused broken atrium statue shows this:

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Essentially, if the atrium statues actually are the ancients' remains [after turning into shadow creatures] then thulecite is a byproduct of that transformation.

That's an interesting idea, but seems the thulecite existed before the downfall and not only after.

But, again, the ancient civilization is shown getting rocks & gems from mining, but no thulecite. 

(It's curious how the mark of this material is associated with the sun. This reminds me to old religions in some places of south america and europa.)

[-Variant]

7 hours ago, Zeklo said:

Using unimplemented content as evidence is always risky, but the unused broken atrium statue shows this:

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Essentially, if the atrium statues actually are the ancients' remains [after turning into shadow creatures] then thulecite is a byproduct of that transformation.

I'm still gonna defend the fact that it looks like a Shadow already here.

It's got the general, (yet a bit lanky) shape of a crawling horror, and the spines of the Terror beak and Swimming Horror.

I always thought that the body froze up, turned to Thulu, and then the Crawling Horror or whatever came from the "shell".
Anyone else see this?

 

1 hour ago, Tapirus said:

It's curious how the mark of this material is associated with the sun

You can also craft the Star Caller staff in the Ruins down there, which makes a young star/sun.

Maybe this'll help.

[reverentsatyr]

7 hours ago, Zeklo said:

Essentially, if the atrium statues actually are the ancients' remains [after turning into shadow creatures] then thulecite is a byproduct of that transformation.

so... does that mean that they got thulecite from their dead bodies?

[-Variant]

1 hour ago, reverentsatyr said:

so... does that mean that they got thulecite from their dead bodies?

I figured it was something that already existed, and they just happened to convert to it.

Like rocks, rocks have always existed, but when trees petrify, they become rocks.

Or who knows, what you said could be right and they're all just walking in a giant grave.
Spooky.

[Ham3d]

2 hours ago, Tapirus said:

That's an interesting idea, but seems the thulecite existed before the downfall and not only after.

maybe it was like the second source of moonrocks ; moon rock boulders. but the main source was thier dead bodies like werepig/hound statues.

2 hours ago, Tapirus said:

this material is associated with the sun

like how moonrock associated for moon .

2 hours ago, Tapirus said:

That's an interesting idea, but seems the thulecite existed before the downfall and not only after.

btw thanks for your pic , i didnt know they existe before downfall !

[MondayNight]

3 hours ago, Tapirus said:

But, again, the ancient civilization is shown getting rocks & gems from mining, but no thulecite. 

(It's curious how the mark of this material is associated with the sun. This reminds me to old religions in some places of south america and europa.)

Should I be the one "ruining the childhood" of you all by pointing to a rather pretty obvious thing:

• Thulecite Fragment -

• Manure -

• Guano -

 

See the spiral pattern? So we have rocks and gems "coming in" and Thulecite "coming out".

Sure, can also be a regurgitated product. But that damn spiral pattern, heh

[Maxposting]

Is it possible that a small part of ancients already ventured into the caves as some sort of explorers and some met their thulectation ( r/ihadastroke ) early and the major part of ancients ventured into the caves after that and then they used remains of their cave explorers?

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^{WAS THE KING HIDING THAT THE ANCIENTS WERE GONNA BE THULECITE, HIDING EVERY DEAD CORPSE?}

^{IS METHEUS ILLUMINATI?}

 

[Cytryn7]

Whickerbottom says that Thulesite is some kind of zoisite connected with organic matter.

We don't know about any kind of zoisite called Thulesite on the Earth. Zoisites with chemical formula Ca2Al3(SiO4)3(OH) are indicators that magma was vary basic (low SiO2 content) in the chamber. Zoisites don't have high hardness (weaker than quartz - flint). Also they are not good material for building or crafting because they are brittle.

[Ham3d]

59 minutes ago, Cytryn7 said:

zoisite connected with organic matter

"organic matter" ; byproduct of the transformation.

another proof...

[GenomeSquirrel]

2 hours ago, Cytryn7 said:

Whickerbottom says that Thulesite is some kind of zoisite connected with organic matter.

when does she say that?

[Theukon-dos]

ok, so first off, Wicker says that Thulecite is actually zoisite combined with "Ectoplasmic residue" which is also what she refers to Nightmare fuel as.

 

and second, Where is it mentioned that the ancients turned into shadow creatures?

[Maxposting]

1 hour ago, Theukon-dos said:

Where is it mentioned that the ancients turned into shadow creatures?

the in-game murals say something like people shredding their skin, some inky creatures crawling out of them.

[YesterdaysMindr]

Thulecite is, physically, some sort of yellow zoisite imbued with nightmare fuel. Its orange-yellow color isn't naturally occuring in pretty much any type of zoisite, though that and its opaqueness could be attributed to the fuel.

Due to its unimpressive ranking on the Mohs hardness scale and brittleness, it's likely that the zoisite is not responsible for the material's strength. Therefore, it can only be assumed the nightmare fuel is primarily what makes it so strong.

[The 2C3D]

5 hours ago, Theukon-dos said:

Where is it mentioned that the ancients turned into shadow creatures?

Mural 4, to be exact. Most of them are something along these lines:

Wilson: “The people are shedding their skins. They look different underneath.”

 

Other notable lines for the same mural help confirm this isn’t a normal molting, but the birth of shadow monsters:

Wendy: “Then, Rebirth.” (Her preceding line notes that “they are consumed by darkness” preceding this rebirth)

Webber: “A picture of bug people escaping their bug outsides!”

Wolfgang: “Monsters is bursting out of them!” (Curiously, Wolfgang doesn’t consider normal ancients to be monsters, he calls them “sad, weak people”. The creatures he sees emerge therefore are something other, that even Wolfgang recognizes as fundamentally different.)

[-Variant]

5 hours ago, engiSonic said:

Therefore, it can only be assumed the nightmare fuel is primarily what makes it so strong.

I can see this being a thing.

I mean, we can turn the fuel into armor, and weapons that do physical harm. 

When you reach a certain sanity, Shadows would become physical, too, being able to be hurt, and hurt you.

[Tapirus]

On 1/6/2019 at 12:25 PM, x0VERSUS1y said:

• Thulecite Fragment -

• Manure -

• Guano -

 

See the spiral pattern? So we have rocks and gems "coming in" and Thulecite "coming out".

...lol

Well, that was strange, but a bit funny.

[Tapirus]

On 1/6/2019 at 11:19 AM, -Variant said:

I figured it was something that already existed, and they just happened to convert to it.

Like rocks, rocks have always existed, but when trees petrify, they become rocks.

Or who knows, what you said could be right and they're all just walking in a giant grave.
Spooky.

The ruins are actually that, a "big, shiny but disturbing" tomb.

[Zeklo]

On 6/1/2019 at 7:19 AM, -Variant said:

Or who knows, what you said could be right and they're all just walking in a giant grave.
Spooky.

Gonna quote myself here:

14 minutes ago, Zeklo said:

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ATRIUM_STATUE = "Still alive?"
ANCIENT_STATUE = "Alive? Hmmm..."

For the statues, it's been said over and over (at least by me) that these are the transformed corpses of the Ancients. It's interesting because he [Wormwood] uses the phrase "Still alive?" when examining skeletons, and "Alive?" when examining statues. In this instance he uses the skeleton one for the atrium statue and the other with an added "Hmmm..." to the ruins mage & head statue—indicating additional thought.

[Tapirus]

So, looks like it's confirmed:

The thulecite of the ancients is organic, existed before the downfall and after the downfall, they were turned partially in this.

[SouthTom]

On 2019-06-01 at 10:35 PM, The 2C3D said:

Mural 4, to be exact. Most of them are something along these lines:

Wilson: “The people are shedding their skins. They look different underneath.”

 

Other notable lines for the same mural help confirm this isn’t a normal molting, but the birth of shadow monsters:

Wendy: “Then, Rebirth.” (Her preceding line notes that “they are consumed by darkness” preceding this rebirth)

Webber: “A picture of bug people escaping their bug outsides!”

Wolfgang: “Monsters is bursting out of them!” (Curiously, Wolfgang doesn’t consider normal ancients to be monsters, he calls them “sad, weak people”. The creatures he sees emerge therefore are something other, that even Wolfgang recognizes as fundamentally different.)

But no one refers to them as Shadows, only monsters. I think at least 1 of the survivor would call them Shadows if they were. Looks like they are regular monsters to me.