Use for hot steam vents?

[Lali-Lop]

I never see anyone mention hot steam vents when discussing builds, only the cool vents.  Is there any good use for them, or are they just better left plugged up?

[crypticorb]

Leave them.

They don't have even a fraction of the potential energy a metal or magma volcano has, and the mass of steam they produce is laughable if you want water.

[Zarquan]

They tend to give enough water to give one dupe half of their air needs.  So I would say low priority on getting a mechanism to safely harvest unless you are very close to the amount of water production you need. 

I would probably leave it plugged up unless you have literally nothing else for your dupes to do or you need about 50 g/s more water to make your base sustainable.

I believe it is the second least useful geyser in the game, followed by the CO2 geyser.

[DaveSatx]

I suppose if i run into them i'd enclose it with a pump and use the extra water as opportunity arises, if ever.  More from a waste-not-want-not mindset than any expectation of it being important

[Neotuck]

37 minutes ago, DaveSatx said:

I suppose if i run into them i'd enclose it with a pump and use the extra water as opportunity arises, if ever.  More from a waste-not-want-not mindset than any expectation of it being important

At 500C even a steel pump would overheat and break

[DaveSatx]

1 minute ago, Neotuck said:

At 500C even a steel pump would overheat and break

*blink* Right. seal that sucker up

[Hellshound38]

1 minute ago, Neotuck said:

At 500C even a steel pump would overheat and break

put a couple wheezes in I would assume would prevent that... 

[Neotuck]

Just now, Hellshound38 said:

put a couple wheezes in I would assume would prevent that... 

that wouldn't even cool a "cool" steam geyser lol

[Hellshound38]

37 minutes ago, Neotuck said:

that wouldn't even cool a "cool" steam geyser lol

Challenge Accepted.....

 

Ill see you in 40 cycles to see how this works out............ maybe

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:Edit:: The funniest part of this I was trying to do the math and I think this thing makes enough water for 1 Bristle.....

but I think with the specific heat of steam being higher then hydrogen, and the total heat of 400 degrees vs 10 with this ****ty output to condense is actually less total heat.... this might work.... The question is will this setup (the layer of water + the gas already inside), allow the wheeze to not overheat before it condenses all the steam....

[gbudiman]

Pump it to your steam rockets. Then seal it off once you have access to more advanced rockets.

[Neotuck]

3 minutes ago, gbudiman said:

Pump it to your steam rockets. Then seal it off once you have access to more advanced rockets.

how do you plan to pump it?

[gbudiman]

Just now, Neotuck said:

how do you plan to pump it?

Steel pumps, ceramic pipes.

[Neotuck]

Just now, gbudiman said:

Steel pumps, ceramic pipes.

for 500C steam?

good luck...

[gbudiman]

9 minutes ago, Neotuck said:

for 500C steam?

good luck...

I wouldn't have replied had I not done it myself. Even in oil biome, the mass of the steam is so laughably minuscule compared to the surroundings that my pump is only reading 200C. The other end of the pipe, just before my steam rocket, is reading just above condensation point at 108C.

Edit: I actually had to build a portion of the pipes submerged in hot oil to keep it hot so the steam doesn't condense before reaching the rocket.

[Neotuck]

10 minutes ago, gbudiman said:

I wouldn't have replied had I not done it myself. Even in oil biome, the mass of the steam is so laughably minuscule compared to the surroundings that my pump is only reading 200C. The other end of the pipe, just before my steam rocket, is reading just above condensation point at 108C.

Edit: I actually had to build a portion of the pipes submerged in hot oil to keep it hot so the steam doesn't condense before reaching the rocket.

I am impressed 

[suicide commando]

@Zarquan I consider the CO2 geyser more useful as you can just let that go down into your oil biome for your slicksters to eat. no need for much in the way of industry for that, unless it's somewhere at the top.

 

[SamLogan]

6 hours ago, Lali-Lop said:

I never see anyone mention hot steam vents when discussing builds, only the cool vents.  Is there any good use for them, or are they just better left plugged up?

I've used one during around 1500 cycles with a Steam Turbine and it works :

I modifiate a lot my setup so there's some useless things but here's my feedback from my experience :

- Even the steam flow is low, by accumulating the steam, the turbine will work enough to be interesting.

- For me the main challenge is to reuse the steam without overpressure the Steam Vent. Here's some idea : cool it in another room lime my example, or separate the Steam Vent room and the turbine.

I hope it will give you some ideas, clearly useable with the turbine.

 

[tzionut]

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CO2 geyser.

I don't agree whit you. If not slicksters for oil, or petroleum, you can put there an carbon skimmer and have more polluted water for your thimble reed or pincha pepper plants, or whit an water sieve you can have more polluted dirt, and whit compost more dirt. 

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Is there any good use for them, or are they just better left plugged up?

Why not put above a steam generator, and make some power cooling it in the same time, then condense it and make some water, or you can load it direct to the steam engine for the first 2 planets (I did that whit a cold steam vent in my previous build) 

[suicide commando]

@tzionut The problem with using steam vents for launching is that once you get into full swing, they don't produce enough steam to fill up a rocket properly. Thus you will need to augment it with steam generation of your own.
I tried using a vent as well, but found my own steam generation to be more effective, so much so that I got rid of the steam vent production part.

 

[Coolthulhu]

2 hours ago, SamLogan said:

I've used one during around 1500 cycles with a Steam Turbine and it works

It works by a bug/exploit. At this point what you have is just inferior version of the chlorine clamped steam turbine exploit combined with very weak source of water.

When your vent is erupting, it is producing about 200g/s of 500C steam. This certainly isn't enough to power the turbine completely, but because the turbine only requires one hot tile, it may still activate, despite average steam temperature being well under the required ~230C.

The vent isn't anywhere near strong enough to fully power a single turbine for even 10% of the time. Every turbine input tile moves 2kg/s of steam per second. This is one of the many reasons for why every single successful steam turbine build uses exploits.

[tzionut]

suicide commando i use one steam vent in my previous build and the steam pressure dropped from 5 kg /tile to 1.2 kg/ tile...but i use the steam engine 3 or 5 times, then go for petroleum generator. Never had no steam available for the engine. 

[Oozinator]

Your hot geyser has not so much output, dunno if its really worth the work.

[AndreyKl]

23 minutes ago, Oozinator said:

Your hot geyser has not so much output, dunno if its really worth the work.

There is no such thing as useless water and you can set it up once and be done with it.

I'm cooling mine with turbine and the rest goes to cool gaser's reservoir - nothing exceptionally large or hard to set up.

[Iriswaters]

They have far more heat energy than volcanoes.  One is worth around 5-8 metal volcanoes, and dozens of regular ones.  They are the only thing that comes close to powering a steam engine.

But mainly they are just another source of water.

10 hours ago, crypticorb said:

Leave them.

They don't have even a fraction of the potential energy a metal or magma volcano has, and the mass of steam they produce is laughable if you want water.

They have far more energy than a volcano, due to the longer erupt period and higher SHC. 

[psusi]

8 hours ago, Hellshound38 said:

Challenge Accepted.....

 

Ill see you in 40 cycles to see how this works out............ maybe

......

 

 

:Edit:: The funniest part of this I was trying to do the math and I think this thing makes enough water for 1 Bristle.....

but I think with the specific heat of steam being higher then hydrogen, and the total heat of 400 degrees vs 10 with this ****ty output to condense is actually less total heat.... this might work.... The question is will this setup (the layer of water + the gas already inside), allow the wheeze to not overheat before it condenses all the steam....

No, no, no.  That won't work.  The wheeze worts stop working at around 100 C, so direct exposure to the steam will shut them down.  Also when the steam stops and all condenses, your room should be in a vacuum, leaving the wheezies stopped again.  You want to put them in a hydrogen filled room thermally coupled to the steam room via metal tiles.