sirmentlegen Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Honey already got a nerf in the spoilage update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avelarius Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Let me add the powers I know.Honey storage: No matter how much honey you use a day, you just have to convert all hives into bee boxes because this way you will have 6 perfectly fresh units of honey per box.Take a look at 72 units of fresh honey:Bee defense: If you build your bee boxes around a pit and put bee mines inside, the hound will be decimated very quick. As soon as one hound attacks a bee, all the other bees will come to help. The more the better. Sometimes the hives will send the killer bees to speed up the slaughtering process. Bee mine is the new best defensive resource specially now that the hound tooth drop has been reduced.A crude bee defense setup:A more sophisticate bee defense setup:Honey power: Honey itself is a great healing food, not good at hunger, do not use it for hunger. To have honey you must fight spiders and get web. You also get monster meat in the process. You make kabobs for hunger. Honey is best used in the crock pot: Honey Ham is the best food available. Taffy is uh... ok to get out of insanity quick but you can do it using honey ham too. The pumpkin cookies seem better than taffy... I have to test it, currently converting half of my dragon fruit farm into pumpkin farm. Taffy lost its appeal after the wormhole penalty has been drastically reduced.Almost forgot, you also make honey nuggets. The sum of the hunger/heal of the ingredients is bigger but you save space in your inventory for long trips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avelena713 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Personally, I don't think honey needs much of a nerf. On its own it's not that great... it's a quick heal, but as mentioned, that's realistic (enough for game purposes), honey has healing properties. It restores relatively little hunger on its own, it's good in a pinch but probably wouldn't be the food I would choose to live off of if I had other more filling options. To make anything really useful hunger-wise it needs to be combined with meat for Honey Ham or Honey Nuggets. To make taffy you need four honey for a piece, and cookies 3 apiece, so you can go through it pretty fast if you're using it regularly for sanity purposes. And it's not always all that easy to get - you need the silk for the bug net, you need to find a bee hive, catch the bees, destroy the hive. Easy enough if you know what you're doing (if you got a world with hives in convenient places at least), but for a new player it's a pretty daunting task, and even now that I have more experience I sometimes get worlds that make it difficult - not enough beehives nearby, or all of them are filled with killer bees (I mean all of them, on world 1, it was crazy), or even no spiders nearby to get silk from in the first place.Once you've made a lot of bee boxes, yeah, you can get more honey than you ever could use and be set, but theoretically that's true for any farmable food in-game. Get enough berry bushes, or turbo farm plots, or a big enough beefalo herd, or enough pig houses, and the same idea applies. Honey's only difference is that it's usable in a few different ways.Also any nerf to honey would effect sanity's balance. Taffy is one of the first moderately early sanity-restorers you can make with any reliability, especially in a silk-scarce world where a top hat is a distant dream.If they nerf anything that's 'better than something else', pretty soon everything will be on the same level and there'll be no point in branching out or trying to get any different things. Something has to be on top; honey just happens to be the food item with the widest range of potential usefulness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyGamerzPC Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 -Awesome Game Logic Here-100% agreed, seriously. At one point or another, there's going to be an item that either by itself it OP, or is a material used to make OP things. Don't Starve will always have a "best" item to use in the game, as it will take some serious balancing before we can say nothing is OP, everything is good.Stop complaining OP , Honey is fine now after the spoiling update >.> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson P. Higgsbury Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Well my tactic is to make taffy which replenishes quite a lot of hunger but reduces health and keep some extra honey. That way I can eat taffy when I'm hungry and eat honey to negate the negative side effect of the taffy. Don't nerf! I am invincible with this provided I don't go out to explore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddums Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Don't make Honey. The rest of us who like it may continue to make it.Problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
promero14 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Remember new players will join the game soon, don't make it harder and harder just because we played a lot and know its secrets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judas Physicist Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 You should get teeth cavaties for eating too much honey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SammyDexter Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 In real life honey never goes bad, archaeologists found 2000 year old jars of honey in Egyptian tombs and they still tasted delicious! In my opinion they should nerf the hunger points it gives you from 13 to 3 or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Q_ Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 That can be said about every source of food. Beefalos are in great numbers and easy to kill. Pigs are in great numbers and easy to kill. Honey is somewhat optional if you ask me. Once you played few games and learn how it all works it's GG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alvhem Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 I also think it needs a nerf; Like having a lot of bee boxes attracts a queen bee boss?Or something else that's sugar hungry.(cookie monster?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerTheDragon Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 I also think it needs a nerf; Like having a lot of bee boxes attracts a queen bee boss?Or something else that's sugar hungry.(cookie monster?)I agree : MORE BOSSES!Maxwell loves creating bosses but never thinks they will fit in his world... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroGamer2000 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 I also think it needs a nerf; Like having a lot of bee boxes attracts a queen bee boss?Or something else that's sugar hungry.(cookie monster?)me want coooooookaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterLock Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Honey is already nerfed to the ground since the progress uptade.I say no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Q_ Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Honey is already nerfed to the ground since the progress uptade.I say no.LOL?With current bee hives on map you can safely live forever on only honey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterLock Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 LOL?With current bee hives on map you can safely live forever on only honey.well it still takes a bit to make lot's of bee houses because of the field of killer bees you have to worry about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Q_ Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 well it still takes a bit to make lot's of bee houses because of the field of killer bees you have to worry aboutNot all bee hives are in the killer bees areas, I got like 5 of normal bee hives without killer bees around. Just need to find them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Bear Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Maybe a bee queen spawned when you harvested too much honeys? Really, it's still easy to harvest honeys. I have 4 beehives, and i can managed to get all the honeys without being damaged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterLock Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Not all bee hives are in the killer bees areas, I got like 5 of normal bee hives without killer bees around. Just need to find them.yeah?and what if you want more then 5 bee hives?lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Q_ Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 yeah?and what if you want more then 5 bee hives?lolThen go on killer bees with some pigs. I never need more than 2 bee boxes, and can live without any honey at all, current pig villages with 15-20 berry bushes around is much bigger problem and makes this game real sandbox with not enough stuff to build rather than survival. Once you find pig village there is no real point in playing, fresh meat and pigs skins every 3 days. GG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentleman Mad Scientist Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Don't nerf honey unless you're going to make it like it was before so that it restores more health but no hunger. Kthxbai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitz4 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 (edited) Remember new players will join the game soon, don't make it harder and harder just because we played a lot and know its secrets.Nerfing the mid-game wouldn't make it harder for newer players, they usually spend 2-3 dozen playthroughs just learning the early-game. There are ways other than sweets & honey ham to lower your sanity.I like nerfing honey, you get way too much honey from just one beehive, plus I believe honey rots slower than seeds, it should at least be the same rate, if not faster than seeds. Plus having honey rot faster and harvesting less honey from hives will force you to jump to the next world to find more beehives.Avelarius must've been really really really lucky finding all of these beehives in his world.Did you jump through any portals? Edited February 16, 2013 by blitz4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentleman Mad Scientist Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Avelarius must've been really really really lucky finding all of these beehives in his world.Did you jump through any portals?Since the Insanity update the worlds have more beehives and more killer bees. Least as far as I've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avelarius Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 yeah?and what if you want more then 5 bee hives?lolUse the killer bees. Make lemonades for Christ sake.Use them to kill koalefant. Capture them with the bug net and release in tentacle infested swamps or spider infested forests. Carry a couple stacks with you to be released in case you get killed... bombee man xD [MENTION=8901]blitz4[/MENTION] No portals. All from the same world. Even made a thread about it: Holy Sweetness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitz4 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 [MENTION=8901]blitz4[/MENTION] No portals. All from the same world. Even made a thread about it: Holy Sweetness.Holy honey ham batman! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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