Maxwell Refresh Beta Open!

[Just-guy]

8 minutes ago, Siegmund said:

The top hat is linked ONLY to shadow chester.

It's also linked to the Magician Box.

[ApoIIo]

7 minutes ago, Just-guy said:

It's also linked to the Magician Box.

let me correct myself there, then; among the three chesters, it is only tied to shadow.

[loopuleasa]

bug: putting acorn into max hat, and then accessing shadow chest disconnected me from server btw

[ApoIIo]

16 minutes ago, Starling said:

-I usually play as my team's gatherer by using Maxwell, summoning miners to clear entire rock biome, same with loggers to clean forests. With this refresh Maxwell servants only clear a small circle of area and if I were to clean a rock biome for example I will have to summon so many servants to do so this isn't practical nor cheap, I would even prefer to use old shadows to gather.

From a pre-rework cost perspective, absolutely. But do keep in mind, a single gatherer costs one-fifth of a single nightmare fuel now. You can summon ten workers for the price of one pre-rework one, and for the pre-rework ones to be cheaper, you'd have to relocate a LOT. So, petrified forest -> new miners are better, rock biome -> old were better.

16 minutes ago, Starling said:

-As a Maxwell player I always thought that shadow duelists are very useless because they die so quickly. And that hasn't really changed. I was really looking forward for them to get better. I saw some people had great ideas on the forum's suggestions page such as making players able to give them armor, weapons etc. I think new duelist won't please other Maxwell players as well.
-I'm not sure how useful the shadow sneak and shadow pillars, perhaps I didn't get how to best use them yet.

As their regen is noticably faster and you can have upwards to six while being able to summon them for the same extremely small price, they're actually great when spammed. Anything that can't one-shot them or AoE easily gets overwhelmed by the cost-nothing duelist spam.
Sneak and pillars are, surprisingly effective at similar tasks. Probably the best crowd control in the game after abigail. Easily makes a horde of mobs useless.

Of course, any further buffs I will gladly take... Haha.

Edited November 3, 2022 by Siegmund

[RatherRabbit]

16 minutes ago, Siegmund said:

45 minutes ago, RatherRabbit said:

 

...This is a very general rule and isn't specific to Maxwell whatsoever? What's that got to do to compare to the direct, flat health cost?

What I mean by it was to point out DST still has a health cost for summoning duelists, though it can be avoided with skill and stockpiling it can still be a pain for people trying to solo Maxwell or with unhelpful teammates. I do agree that it's a kinda lame comparison tho ^^

Also as just an addendum to my previous comments: I really feel like not adding more jobs/kinds of workers is a missed opportunity. Maybe it's just because I like base building, but as I keep saying, I really like the thought of plopping a few clones down to gather twigs/grass/berries/etc and a chest to put it in. It would be a nice addition to a lot of the farms and (somewhat) automated builds some Winonas have come up with.

[flamboyant wolf]

4 minutes ago, loopuleasa said:

bug: putting acorn into max hat, and then accessing shadow chest disconnected me from server btw

I have a similar problem, whenever I try opening the shadow box, game crashes.

also for some reason it crashed when my friend tried changing the skin of chester, but perhaps it was just a coincidence.

[POOH_LY]

The update is amazing! I really love the summoning animation and the fact that shadow minions now change their silhouettes according to your skin, but I wish they could be permanent and can follow you like they used to though. I don't think that will make them broken, at least for the shadow duelists. (I think they are bugged currently. Sometimes you can spam them as many times as you want.) 

[Flip Face]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!

Finally!!!!

[Mr Giggio]

Honestly the only way to make shadow fighters good at this point might be making em imune to damage which aint from bosses or something really heavy cuz I cant see how the devs could make em better with this I.A.

[slurper gaming]

sounds like fun

 

[goblinball]

2 hours ago, RatherRabbit said:

The Codex should not be a spellbook. This is a horrible idea. Especially if you keep the health requirement the way it is. The Codex is and will always be Maxwell's ''thing''. It works for characters like Wickerbottom because the books as a whole are her's, but to have Maxwell's Codex have durability just. It's the one way he accesses his main power. No. Abigail's flower doesn't have durability.

How does the codex umbra “being Maxwell’s thing” prevent it from gaining durability? I don’t see the issue here.

[SapoLover]

2 hours ago, HowlVoid said:

Might be a good idea to remove shadow chester from the shared inventory. I use only shadow chester and that means I essentially don't get an extra inventory. :/ 

You might say that it's a way to transfer items to base but a shadow chest can already accomplish this right?

It's a way to make other characters able to take advantage of it and teleport items to base, but I agree it shouldn't be the case.

[slurper gaming]

i just had some thoughts perhaps maxwells can all have there own shadow storeage but make it so  they cannot but one of a kind items in there and shadow chester should have a normal container so non maxwells  may use them  and then maxwell can trade something like some nightmare fuel to use chester with the magic hat/box  or just a way for maxwell to switch between the 2

 

[RatherRabbit]

13 minutes ago, goblinball said:

How does the codex umbra “being Maxwell’s thing” prevent it from gaining durability? I don’t see the issue here.

It doesn't, but I think it's a bad idea as it stands right now. If the Codex isn't fueled, Maxwell loses all access to his powers (except the chest, but without the accompanying top-hat it's just a bigger chest) and with the sanity cap issue keeping the Codex fueled is going to be more of a chore/resource hog.

And in a slightly more petty way. I dislike having to stop to refuel the Codex instead of it just taking it out of my inventory, it feels like more unnecessary fiddling. With duelist spamming as well, with raid bosses, I don't like having to stop and jam fuel into the Codex. Pulling back to scarf food has always been more for melee characters like Wolfgang and Wigfrid where character like Maxwell, Wendy, and Wickerbottom can just keep up an assault from afar. Like I said, it's petty, but if I'm already standing out of the way then there's not much strategy to it. Just menuing.

[abrocator]

I don’t get this rework.

[HowlVoid]

I wonder if it would be better if the workers worked based on proximity to the book. Drop the book and they work in a radius around it. Pick up the book and the follow as they did pre-rework. 

Them not being able to follow seems a bit weaker when collecting random wood or boulders which are spaced out.

[Mike23Ua]

So uhh has anyone tried it out using an Xbox controller yet? Please someone provide feedback during beta for us console players!

[wrinkly lil boy]

no klei points?

[Dr. Safety]

1 hour ago, Starling said:

-I'm not sure how useful the shadow sneak and shadow pillars, perhaps I didn't get how to best use them yet.
-I was hoping Maxwell to feel like real magician. The hat seems similar to the pirate hat we recently received and wasn't very impressive to me, I wish he knew how to craft magic tier 1 items similar to Wickerbottom's starter knowledge of science.

Agreed on the tier 1 magic thing. If you have a Wanda on your team, the pillars are busted (I'm assuming). Just trap whoever (including bosses) and have Wanda out range them. Otherwise it is generally good CC and nothing more since you will still have to kite the enemies trapped if you don't have above normal range.

Honestly I'm okay with the way the clones work now, since they are so cheap, but they really need an increase on their timer. I planted a really dense group of trees, and when about half of them were tier 3 and the other half were tier 2, I spam summoned 6 servants in the center of them and they weren't able to cut down the ones in range before dying. I guess I need to get used to it though, because doing that only costed me 1.5 nightmare fuel. I love the magician box/chest thing (minus shadow chester), although I wish other characters were able to use the hat. Would be cool to have everyone with one and be able to exchange items from across the map, but I also understand why it's locked behind Maxwell.

Maybe add something where if you are wearing the Magician's Top Hat, your clones would follow you and last a full day? I dunno

[Strampunch]

1 hour ago, POOH_LY said:

 I really love the summoning animation and the fact that shadow minions now change their silhouettes according to your skin,

Our of curiosity, would anyone be able to post a clip to show the summoning animation? I'm afraid I won't be able to play the beta any time soon but I'm terribly curious to see any new animations and designs.

[Terra_Zina]

it cool

[Prince Percival]

darn I really wanted the wilson rework

Edited November 3, 2022 by Prince Percival

[Roodmas]

So far I like this, but something I noticed: the top hat has a different inventory in the overworld and in the caves. I couldn't bring items with me to the caves that were in the tophat. Is this intentional? Because if so, it's kind of a bummer.

[Daniel14676]

Glitch: If you wormhole with a shadow worker summoned they will come with you. (this doesn't make sense, because they aren't following you)

[ShadowDuelist]

22 minutes ago, Dr. Safety said:

I love the magician box/chest thing (minus shadow chester), although I wish other characters were able to use the hat. Would be cool to have everyone with one and be able to exchange items from across the map, but I also understand why it's locked behind Maxwell.

I think that is why they added shadow chester, so people can use the perk in a mobile way too. I think this is mostly to collect and someone else picks up at base, or gives you items you may need from afar, and since they can't move aorund with the hat, they would use Chester. It's meant to be a team perk I believe.

The nightmare prison is by far the best perk Maxwell got so far, its useful throughout the whole game and scales great as you progress. I hope it stays as it is.

I have a couple of suggestions:
 

• The workers definitely need to last longer. 
• Please allow the servants to till farmland when they were placed on top of unused farmland.
• Give Maxwell some perk related to dark swords and night armor. They were always his signature weapon and armor, and only Wanda has perks related to them. It doesn't have to be "more damage", maybe reduced sanity when worn, reduced fuel cost to craft, or reduced durability usage when he wields/wears them, anything would do. It would make sense from a lore stand point that he is somewhat more efficient with them than the average Wilson.
• Workers placed near fish shoals could also try to fish (to be in line with the new things in the game)

Edited November 3, 2022 by ShadowDuelist