Why does every world have to start with speed run toilet?

[Tranoze]

Do I play wrong or everyone else speed run toilet every first day just like me?
Toilet not included...

[Gurgel]

It is neither necessary nor difficult. You can definitely get away with just cleaning messes up for a while. You may get contaminated regular water that way, but that will clear up by itself as well. The only reason to have outhouses at the beginning is that it is less effort.

 

[Tranoze]

21 minutes ago, Gurgel said:

It is neither necessary nor difficult. You can definitely get away with just cleaning messes up for a while. You may get contaminated regular water that way, but that will clear up by itself as well. The only reason to have outhouses at the beginning is that it is less effort.

 

But it is speed run. For proper toilet to be build, you need to dig straight to water for washing basin, dig enough room for toilet, and build water pump, that take about 1 day for 3 dupes and there are no free room for that. There are even world where you cant dig to water fast enough.
You can get away with it, yes, but do early game has to be that messy?

Cant starting buff that + morale should give something like -50% bladder (as freshly printed dupe have nothing in their stomach) so this shouldn't be stress as it is now?

[Gurgel]

The whole game is a constant fight against the mess. Somebody even called it a "pee simulator" as far as I recall.

That said, I find it pretty easy to provide that initial outhouse. All you need is some dirt. Washing hands can come by cycle 2 or 3 as food-poisoning does not cause vomiting anymore.

[SharraShimada]

Everything in this game is designed to be a mess. Be happy they provide your colony with a bit of food and some oxygen for the first few cycles. Imagine, this would be your problem, not some pee on the floor

[Slvrsrfr]

i have still yet really to make a fully decked out bath-stuff. I played some i guess up to almost 300-500 CY w/o ever having toilets or water. most times with 3-5 ,7 dupes and such. You can go a long time w/o them. My guys ate food that dropped, rarely prepared & usually raw, mush or berry.

[sakura_sk]

9 hours ago, Tranoze said:

speed run toilet every first day

Yup! + beds if there is enough time. Some of my "cycle 1s"

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And some on Spaced Out swamp that you reeeeally don't want your dupes to pee in all that "clean" polluted water.

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I restart a lot... 

[blakemw]

Something I often do is set the schedule to pure work. Then I built an outhouse or two (no sink). After 3 cycles dupes will start to starve and need to eat food, but before then there is no need to give them downtime or hand-washing, try to make sure they wash their hands before taking the food for their first meal.

So basically you can get away with outhouses on cycle 1, and only make a proper latrine/washroom by cycle 3.

Beds are rather optional too, but make sure to give dupes bedtime slots, because sleeping on the floor gives much faster stamina recovery than exhausted on the floor.

[NewWorldDan]

I will continue to fight for this until it happens: I want a "Potty Trained" achievement where you survive the first 100 cycles without a "Made a Mess" incident. 

[Joe Dee]

1 hour ago, NewWorldDan said:

I will continue to fight for this until it happens: I want a "Potty Trained" achievement where you survive the first 100 cycles without a "Made a Mess" incident. 

That's kind of too easy really... unless you grow your colony too fast I guess.

How about the opposite: Messier 100, survive 100 cycles without building a loo.

[Notecja]

Because toilet is one of three basic needs for dupes:
Food, breathe and pee. Peepee and poopoo everywhere will not kill, but there is enough debuffs from it to make other things much harder. Sleeping on floors gives some debuff but is less painful one.
So first day as usual: toilet and bed speedrun.

[ZombieDupe]

If the cycles were a bit longer and duplicants' bladder and calories were still based on this new, longer cycle, you could take a bit more of a breather in the first cycle and could probably also get a lot more done in the first few cycles, since duplicants could work longer and would need to use the bathroom, eat and sleep less frequently. Having one premade bathroom could also help I suppose, but that's usually something you get on the second planetoid and it's spawned way too far from the teleporters to be usable in the first cycle that a duplicant is teleported there.

Maybe bog buckets could be used as organic toilets if unharvested, they look like they could be used for that purpose.

[Tranoze]

10 minutes ago, ZombieDupe said:

Having one premade bathroom could also help I suppose

I just hope the spawn buff that +morale also give something like -50% bladder for the first cycle so dupes dont have to pee until cycle 2. Sometimes water is too far away for some map, and i dont want to spend first few cycle clean FP stuffs.

[GuyPerfect]

On 10/20/2022 at 3:21 PM, Joe Dee said:

How about the opposite: Messier 100, survive 100 cycles without building a loo.

The fact that there's an actual galaxy called Messier 100 makes this an astounding double entendre. Take this internet and cherish it.

[ALCRD]

I mean they gotta do their "business" somewhere.

It's either floor/ground or a toilet.

[Slvrsrfr]

But to not digress and answer more directly, yes, it was the main driving factor for my game play once beginning a map.

That and then beds or power, or oxy. But getting the first outhouse up was a huge priority. I work it out to have it be the final task of the day, or complete by pee time day 2. It, beyond food/air are my only two overarching req's. If dirt naps didn't debuff then my noodles would crash in a salty lump where ever they could find comfy gravel. I'm not a huge proponent of the multitude of creature comforts.

[mathmanican]

Does anyone else prioritize plumbed toilets so they can swap over before the first outhouse needs cleaning? I hate having little pufts of PO2 floating around, so I swap over on cycle 3 or 4, disabling the day 1 outhouse before it needs cleaning.

[blakemw]

12 hours ago, mathmanican said:

Does anyone else prioritize plumbed toilets so they can swap over before the first outhouse needs cleaning? I hate having little pufts of PO2 floating around, so I swap over on cycle 3 or 4, disabling the day 1 outhouse before it needs cleaning.

tbh not as much as I used to. Also in Spaced Out radiation is so good at destroying germs that if a shine bug resides at the food storage then the germs will be blasted off the food as the dupe picks it up - the dupe itself can still have germs but the food won't - so then no hand washing is required. So sometimes I just use outhouses, no hand washing. And the polluted dirt produced by the outhouses is enough to make up a large fraction of a Duplicant's oxygen requirements if sublimated, and the sublimator is pretty convenient, and the pdirt is really germy but since hand washing isn't required thanks to irradiated meals it doesn't matter.

This is more of a forest start strategy, due to the lack of algae to make early oxygen and also lack of sand to use in the Water Sieve, also in Spaced Out you get a big pwater pool on forest starts to make free poxygen so embracing poxygen rather than eliminating it can work well. Getting the shine bug in the right location is a bit opportunistic, sometimes relies on waiting for one to lay an egg then moving the egg to the right location, but then it works forever and the shine bug also provides lit workspace. 

Normally I make a bunch of outhouses and try to get around to deconstructing and rebuilding the full ones unless I have a high strength dupe to make emptying a bit faster.

The best thing about this strategy is of course the sheer perverseness of forcing dupes to breath sublimated excrement.

[ISAWHIM]

What requires speed? Dig a few tiles of stone and build a toilet. Make three off-set schedules so each dupe only needs to use a single toilet at a time. When you build an actual bathroom area, destroy that toilet.

With off-set schedules, one single toilet (or two, for when one is full), will last you until you get past 12 dupes. (You only need 2 slots for toilet time, and one "shower time", which is also a toilet time, after they wake-up.)

Like it was said, it's not a big deal to have them pee all over and just mop it up. It's free water for the future. If you are using outhouses and hand sanitizers, you will not have ANY germy polluted water in the future. (As opposed to using showers, plumbed-toilets and plumbed sinks or wash-stations. It's only +1 MORE morale for having a real bathroom, I believe. Not worth the added overhead, until you need a few free dupes. {Not unclogging toilets or turning compost, which they will still be doing anyways, with polluted dirt from polluted water scrubbers.)

Get ahold of some reed-fiber plants and they will consume all your germy polluted water in hydroponics blocks. (I forget the other plant that NEEDS polluted water, but there is at-least one other. Pincha-peppers?)

The start is a literal "blip" in a a whole entire game-run. One or two cycles, out of 1000+ is less than 0.02% of game-time. :P

[MinhPham]

The reason why everyone is doing the same stuffs is because they watched the same videos. Also the 16x4 layout ...

You only need 1 outhouse by the end of the first cycle, or you just let they pee everywhere and that's fine, and you don't even need a "room" for these stuffs.

The same goes for bed, they can sleep without it, just take a "bit" longer for them to recover their stamina.

[6Havok9]

20 hours ago, MinhPham said:

The reason why everyone is doing the same stuffs is because they watched the same videos. Also the 16x4 layout ...

You only need 1 outhouse by the end of the first cycle, or you just let they pee everywhere and that's fine, and you don't even need a "room" for these stuffs.

The same goes for bed, they can sleep without it, just take a "bit" longer for them to recover their stamina.

Ok, almost triggered here. That is a bold statement.

I think that the reason why everyone "does the same stuff" is because in RL you have to pee, eat and sleep. So one supposes that dupes should have a place to relieve themselves in order to eat and sleep comfortably. Without nasty interruptions. A toilet/bush/tree speedrun is the top priority for many living beings, every day, since time immemorial. 

It's a colony simulator, you CAN be the good guy, unless you are playing as the slavedriver. I want my dupes to "live a good life", I find it fun. So no sleeping on the ground in a pee puddle if possibile.

The 16x4 layout just happens to fit rather nicely in the current room system. You can place buildings, machinery, lights and decorations in it. You can have empty rooms that you know will work fine for almost any purpose. I bet that most players realized this on their own, pretty early in their experience.

Almost triggered. But dodged! That was a bold statement!

[MinhPham]

22 minutes ago, 6Havok9 said:

Ok, almost triggered here. That is a bold statement.

I think that the reason why everyone "does the same stuff" is because in RL you have to pee, eat and sleep. So one supposes that dupes should have a place to relieve themselves in order to eat and sleep comfortably. Without nasty interruptions. A toilet/bush/tree speedrun is the top priority for many living beings, every day, since time immemorial. 

It's a colony simulator, you CAN be the good guy, unless you are playing as the slavedriver. I want my dupes to "live a good life", I find it fun. So no sleeping on the ground in a pee puddle if possibile.

The 16x4 layout just happens to fit rather nicely in the current room system. You can place buildings, machinery, lights and decorations in it. You can have empty rooms that you know will work fine for almost any purpose. I bet that most players realized this on their own, pretty early in their experience.

Almost triggered. But dodged! That was a bold statement!

You don't have to speed run toilet, just make sure to have an outhouse by the end of the first cycle, and it doesn't have to be in a room. Wash basin is not required.

You don't need to make beds in the first cycle. Their starting stamina are enough to hold on till the middle of the next cycle.

I know we have "room bonus" but it doesn't have to be 16x4 everywhere. And because of the 16x4, we have 4 tiles distance between ladder rows.

 

This thing is 16x4 everywhere, rooms everywhere, even if it doesn't had to be.

 

This is not 16x4 everywhere.

 

Just admit it ... you guys watched same game play videos, and try to copy things from those youtubers

[6Havok9]

2 hours ago, MinhPham said:

You don't have to speed run toilet, just make sure to have an outhouse by the end of the first cycle, and it doesn't have to be in a room. Wash basin is not required.

You don't need to make beds in the first cycle. Their starting stamina are enough to hold on till the middle of the next cycle.

I know we have "room bonus" but it doesn't have to be 16x4 everywhere. And because of the 16x4, we have 4 tiles distance between ladder rows.

 

This thing is 16x4 everywhere, rooms everywhere, even if it doesn't had to be.

 

This is not 16x4 everywhere.

 

Just admit it ... you guys watched same game play videos, and try to copy things from those youtubers

Youtubers videos come from here, or a very close imaginary internet place. There are players here who dissected this game until the very bones were left. I was a Francis John follower when he had less than 10. He made good content, and it was good for the game.

Your layout is a "x4" without the 16, which is pretty close to strip mining.

I've fed you enough. 

[QuQuasar]

I speedrun latrine because I loathe it when food poisoning germs get loose. I don't care if diseases are harmless, a non-sterile base gives me the heebie jeebies and nothing is worth the soggy feet debuff. I do bedroom next because I'm going to want the morale bonus eventually anyway.

I prefer 5-tile high floors for laboratories, bathrooms, kitchens and rec-rooms, 6-tile high for the bases central hallway and for ranches, and I think I could make a case for 9-tile high floors for leaky industrial zones (6 tiles for the buildings & decor +1 for a mesh floor and +2 for the catchment tank). But yes, 4 tiles is optimal for many use cases.

 

6 hours ago, MinhPham said:

Just admit it ... you guys watched same game play videos, and try to copy things from those youtubers

[Uno reverse card] You only mined-out all that wasted space because you're copying video's that did the same thing. You don't need nearly that amount of resources for a fully sustainable base.

[axxel]

I don't think it's not a big deal to not building a toilet before the first night. I remember after getting over my authistic cleaning & washing obsession (after 3 colonies) I let food poisoning, polluted oxygen and slime lung into my quarters. That's because I find it's not a very bad thing on my normal setting on the sandstone asteroid. I am not experienced, though, but the negative side effects doesn't kill my people.