[Game Update] - 503714

[Mike23Ua]

4 minutes ago, Flarezen said:

Dst life giving amulets ready make death a joke. Dying in dst was never a punishment more like a inconvenience, even then people can just use rollback which made death even more non existent 

Not sure about you but usually when I die.. even in endless servers- it destroys portions of my health core each time, AND makes me forget all learned crafting recipes.

Rollback can be used, but you use that knowing your cheating..

Dying does have a punishment it’s just not as dominate as solo DS where entire worlds are deleted instantly.

[minespatch]

9 minutes ago, Flarezen said:

Dst life giving amulets ready make death a joke. Dying in dst was never a punishment more like a inconvenience, even then people can just use rollback which made death even more non existent 

 

[maxwell_winters]

3 hours ago, StevenM said:

WX-78 now drops 100% of eaten Gears, up to the maximum stack size of Gears

 

I don't like this. I understand Klei doesn't want to remove a feature players got used to, especially during ruins rushes. However, life-giving amulets are extremely cheap and this just created an exploit. Besides, this still doesn't completely solve the problem of WX players eating all the gears and logging off.  

[leo920101]

I see...

getting back all gears WX ate means he can clean up all mob in ruins at the 2nd day of a new game, need no armor, no food, no healing, once WX has an Optoelectronic Circuit he is ready to go.

after this, he can get back to main shard and kill himself, all those gears will drop, nothing is comsumed.

and this is OK, not too OP, while a 7th slot is asking too much so we can't have.

 

I see. do you guys do too?

[bigGMIW]

4 hours ago, StevenM said:

 

• WX-78 now drops 100% of eaten Gears, up to the maximum stack size of Gears

 

 

I think they should just revert that, give him 1 more slot and call it a day at this point.

[Mysterious box]

So based on testing it seems feeding merm guards now gives about 58% more loyalty on top of recruiting 3 more merms and having a much higher recruitment range than normal for a total of 6 merm gaining loyalty off the same food. This is great since now it feels like merm guards have a much higher payoff outside of just boosted atttack and durablility. It also feels like they actually have more sway in their culture now and that they're someone normal merms look up to.

[PuffinBy]

WX can now restore a ridiculous amount of stats while no gear is consumed?  Isn't that too powerful

 Gears does not upgrade him anymore, meaning WX can already bring back tons of gears by killing himself after ruins rush, even with a 2/3 drop rate. And now no punish for eating gears at all?

I suggest that either he can use gears to up grade his charge slots (with 3 on born to max 6, so that he can't use optielectronic on day one), or give little of the gears back he consumed on death, so that death has some punishment rather than reward, and gears eating is not spammed.

And maybe add his system overload back, giving him variable charge slots (3 base, 3 from upgrading, 2 from overload), making wx more playable: more challenge and higher limit. More overload ideas, check this thread.

Edited April 19, 2022 by PuffinBy

[StevenM]

Thank you for the feedback, everyone. 

Hotfix - 503767 - 04/18/2022

• Reverted WX-78's Gear drop rate to its previous method: On death, WX-78 drops a random number of Gears between 1/3 and 1/2 of the amount they have eaten.

[ADM]

Thanks goodness

[SinancoTheBest]

Wurt changes are great but the gear regurgitation change sounds very pointless and illogical to me- the rework turns them into basic nutrition, why does WX need to return any gears in the first place, let alone ALL OF THEM, which makes it pointless not to eat gears at all times since you'll just return them. If it must return gears cause they are too important to lose I suggest the rate to be lowered to 25%, 33% or 50% or lower its maximum gear return cap to 6, 10 or 12.

Regardless, with no moral or logical barriers to eating gears at all times,  (Wow that was a quick fix, you rule Klei!) I think it's more in order for WX to have base stats of 100, that'd very well balance out the easy stat gaining via gears and encourage the stat modules. Per usual, 7 charges compliments it perfectly too, letting him properly use many more combinations without needing to design any more stacking effects.

Let me bring up the list of suggestions I see fit once again for tracking purposes:

▢ 7th Charge Slot

▢ 100 Base Health, Hunger and Sanity

▢ Separated backpack layout not obstructing the charge meter

▢ Circuit Extractor removing circuits individually

▢  More charging interactions: Electric Milk, Charged Volt Goat zaps, Getting hit by electric weapons with PvP on, Milkmade Hat boosting the charging speed when worn

▢ Optoelectronic Circuit uses 5 nodes

▢ Gastroexpansion Circuit Tier 1.0, giving 50 hunger. 2.0 shall give 100 hunger

▢ Dronemaster Circuit buffs, with lower stats it should give 50 health and sanity.

▢ Electrification circuit dealing proper electric damage

▣ Refrigerant circuit lowering max temperature rather than raising min temperature (hooray to this patch)

▢ Wetness changess: damage begins above 20 wetness even with charge, Proportionately higher wetness damage above 20 wetness, Return of small continuous wetness damage from increasing wetness

▢ New and creative circuit(s) like Navigation Circuit, Lunar Circuit, Thulecite circuit...

Edited April 19, 2022 by SinancoTheBest

[cxc1239767188]

I want to express myself, so please forgive me for not translating the following.我能看出来，制作者想要保留机器人吃齿轮的设定，但是当前这样是绝对不行的。如果齿轮对于机器人仅仅是一种食物，那机器人死亡不掉落都可以，但是由于一些玩家的个人行为，让这种做法令人厌恶。我的想法是重返齿轮对机器人的特殊加成。比如新出的电力系统，比如吃齿轮会增加电力插槽的上限，或者增加充电的速度，当充电速度较低时，无法同时运行大量耗电的芯片，更高的负载也应该消耗更多的食物，同时，芯片在未使用时也能自动关闭减少负载，以及可手动关闭和开启芯片。在机器人死亡后，应该适当降低其齿轮数量，并将电力上限降低至两格，剩下的四格电力会随时间自动恢复和吃齿轮快速恢复，自动恢复5天恢复一格，吃齿轮1天只能吃一个，一次恢复一格，限制了部分捣乱者迅速吃大量齿轮的行为，也限制了想要通过死亡来反复吃齿轮的行为。对于机器人，芯片是重要的，更多花样的芯片才是其关键因素，希望能有更多芯片的加入。

[HowlVoid]

100 base stats across the board is beyond horrible.

A stomach of 1 day-ish? If you want that then maybe play Wes. 

The 100 base stats was because he could upgrade, and now he can't. Doesn't even make sense.

You lose the equivalent of 3 lesser modules for one extra slot? What's more with a large amount of desirable combinations all you can then IS add back in 50hp lmao with 7 slots. Makes 0 sense.

Edited April 19, 2022 by HowlVoid

[-Nick-]

25 minutes ago, SinancoTheBest said:

efrigerant circuit lowering max temperature rather than raising min temperature

This was confirmed a bug. It will be fixed hopefully soon.

 

A rust mechanic with the charge meter would be interesting. Rust could develop over time, causing the charge bar to start breaking down. Stopping power from going to the pins. Water would increase the rust development.

Wx could maybe use healing salves/honey poultice to get rid of the rust, or maybe some kind of new polishing item to get rid of it?

Edited April 19, 2022 by Nickolai

[BezKa]

We really need a downside for WX. Rain damage is just not enough in my opinion. 

I personally don't have any ideas, I've been thinking of some sort of overcharge (as in, too much electricity damages the machine) but i can't think of anything that would really work with that, since losing charge is rare and generally not an issue. So that idea is pretty pointless (and I see Rook every time I think about overcharge. This damn smile.) 

But i think there really should be something more that will make playing WX less of a breeze. 

[SinancoTheBest]

2 hours ago, HowlVoid said:

100 base stats across the board is beyond horrible.

A stomach of 1 day-ish? If you want that then maybe play Wes. 

The 100 base stats was because he could upgrade, and now he can't. Doesn't even make sense.

You lose the equivalent of 3 lesser modules for one extra slot? What's more with a large amount of desirable combinations all you can then IS add back in 50hp lmao. Makes 0 sense.

I digress. WX shouldn't spawn with perfectly average 150 all stats. That is the part that makes 0 sense- what earthly reason or incentive is there to further increase its stats; for the minute benefits of slower digestion and sanity regen?  

100 stats would make a nice baseline to create 7 circuit combos where stat modules are actually incentivized and it gives WX a fun downside it needs: If you want to couple zooming speeds with permanent light or eliminate the weather challenge of a whole season, you need to sacrifice two of your stats (7 slots would allow you to fix one of your stats over the current 6 combos with lesser circuits). It makes for a nice, proper downside than a character that can just upgrade itself to perform better than most others.

Just think about some potential combos if these changes are implemented, they feel earned to me:

• Optoelectronic + Acceleration 2.0 = Perma speed and night vision in exchange for 100 all stats. 
• Illumination + Acceleration 2.0 + Hardy 1.0/Gastro 1.0 = Perma speed and light + Hunger or HP back to 150. 
• Acceleration 2.0 + Dronemaster + Gastro 2.0 = 200 Hunger 150 Sanity 150 HP, speed, lower hunger drain, health and sanity regen 
• Thermal + Dronemaster + Gastro 1.0 = Freezing immunity, 150 all stats, sanity and health regen. 
• Gastro 2.0 + Hardy 2.0 + Super-Processing + Hardy 1.0 = Pure stats build: 200 Hunger, 300 Health, 175 Sanity
• Acceleration 2.0 + Acceleration 2.0 + Refrigerant = Uber speed and heat immunity in exchange for 100 all stats
• Hardy 2.0 + Hardy 2.0 + Hardy 2.0 + Hardy 1.0 = pure Hp build, 600 HP in exchange for 100 HP and Sanity and opportunity cost of no extra speed/weather/light benefits

Edited April 19, 2022 by SinancoTheBest

[dish-order man]

hey Steven, this update is just okay when the gears drop go normal. 

 

But can you please change the location of the electric bar of WX so that the UI of electric bar not been completely blocked by the backpack？

I don't want to be forced to set the backpack to integrated. 

this is no any effect to the content of game expect players' own experience. so could you please please please just modify it？

[Donelloth]

Maybe he should drop something like regergitated gears that function in place of gears for crafting recipes but cannot be eaten by wx-78

You might also consider the ability to install gears in place of circuit mondules in place of eating them at all to give a perk similar to his original gear eating function out the gate before he starts researching proper upgrades

[The Dark Lord]

I like the idea of a seventh slot. but why not make being gained by consuming frizzled wires? and at the end of the day they are only good for nuggets and desert stones (and merm king). also he could loose some wires on death so its not op. or even better. combine frizzled wires with gears for a 7nth slot but being really expensive( and since WX-78 has no heart, this new item that upgrades him to his next slot would be some metal heart or something. just for the meme you know)

 

 

Edited April 19, 2022 by potato sandwich

[Memetan]

8 hours ago, StevenM said:

Merm King’s stomach now digests food more slowly.

This means that Merm King will last longer, I think. Can someone tell me how many days last Merm King compared to the non beta one? Is it now worth it to feed, or better leave him starve?

[SinancoTheBest]

9 minutes ago, Memetan said:

This means that Merm King will last longer, I think. Can someone tell me how many days last Merm King compared to the non beta one? Is it now worth it to feed, or better leave him starve?

Well, can't confirm if it was done exactly like that from game data but JesseB stated that it was raised to 8 days: 

On 4/17/2022 at 6:51 PM, JesseB_Klei said:

Agreed. With how high the hunger drain was it left little room for exploration, traveling or other tasks out of the immediate area. Yesterday I bumped this up to 8 days to add more leniency for doing things in the world at large other than going back to the Merm King every other day. This will be arriving in the next hotfix.

 

[Cvmoote]

2 hours ago, SinancoTheBest said:

I digress. WX shouldn't spawn with perfectly average 150 all stats. That is the part that makes 0 sense- what earthly reason or incentive is there to further increase its stats; for the minute benefits of slower digestion and sanity regen?  

100 stats would make a nice baseline to create 7 circuit combos where stat modules are actually incentivized and it gives WX a fun downside it needs: If you want to couple zooming speeds with permanent light or eliminate the weather challenge of a whole season, you need to sacrifice two of your stats (7 slots would allow you to fix one of your stats over the current 6 combos with lesser circuits). It makes for a nice, proper downside than a character that can just upgrade itself to perform better than most others.

Just think about some potential combos if these changes are implemented, they feel earned to me:

• Optoelectronic + Acceleration 2.0 = Perma speed and night vision in exchange for 100 all stats. 
• Illumination + Acceleration 2.0 + Hardy 1.0/Gastro 1.0 = Perma speed and light + Hunger or HP back to 150. 
• Acceleration 2.0 + Dronemaster + Gastro 2.0 = 200 Hunger 150 Sanity 150 HP, speed, lower hunger drain, health and sanity regen 
• Thermal + Dronemaster + Gastro 1.0 = Freezing immunity, 150 all stats, sanity and health regen. 
• Gastro 2.0 + Hardy 2.0 + Super-Processing + Hardy 1.0 = Pure stats build: 200 Hunger, 300 Health, 175 Sanity
• Acceleration 2.0 + Acceleration 2.0 + Refrigerant = Uber speed and heat immunity in exchange for 100 all stats
• Hardy 2.0 + Hardy 2.0 + Hardy 2.0 + Hardy 1.0 = pure Hp build, 600 HP in exchange for 100 HP and Sanity and opportunity cost of no extra speed/weather/light benefits

I think the point that is being missed here is that we would be making stats undesirable, so that there is more incentive to use the modules like Sanity and Hunger boosts, however I don't think that's the way it should go. People shouldn't have to sacrifice a slot that they personally want to use for something else, just because it's a pain and below average. People should use those modules if they are truly interested in playing that way. Lowering the stats would just be taking away options, and say you do add an extra slot, people would just use it to buff the stats back up to the 150 average. It would be pointless, since it would still end up being 6 slots to use up. I like the idea of 7 slots but not if it means unnecessary nerfing. Sure it could add some challenge if people choose not to, but it's just an annoying downside not a fun one. If you want a challenge with low stats play wes.

Edited April 19, 2022 by Cvmoote

[reallychina]

Beta testers: provide dozens of well argued possible changes to make modules more engaging and improve wx

Klei:  WX-78 now drops 100% of eaten Gears, up to the maximum stack size of Gears

 

smh

Edited April 19, 2022 by reallychina

[The Dark Lord]

Ok i made some brainstorming after reading more posts. The only thing that no one talks about WX-78 is his empathy module.

Here is the idea on it below:

1) Use some number Gears and frizzled wires to craft.(or even better gold instead off frizzled wires)(or even requiring both)

2) Adds a seventh slot that degrades over time:

       i) Consuming Gears extends the duration of the 7nth slot(optional).

       ii) Consuming an empathy module overights duration of seventh slot and thus the circuit does not get unsocketed on expiration.(or the 7nth slot could always be visible and have the socketed circuit and just not function when depleted).

3) 7nth slot gives a small percentage boost to the socketed circuit according to the number of prongs of the circuit.(could be like 5% for 4 slot circuit up to 20% for single slot circuit. also if for example first slots get discharged by wetness 7nth slot keeps bigger modules on but with less effect e.x. less speed on acceleration circuit).(not all circuits need to have extra power e.x. moggles circuit cuz its 1 dimentional)

4) 7nth slot is a different color and does not get discharged from wetness.(also have a small seperate border but that big that it doesnt allow the module to fit).(could also have like a yellow bulb on top of it so the player doesnt need to always check its metter to tell if it is active).(have a metter with the arrows looking towards the right and deplete slowly while also leaving behind a redish color and when fully depleted also have a big "x" mark)

5) On expiration, empathy module should return some number of gears in the inventory.(optional)

6) Having the recipe craft a number of empathy modules(cuz you know. he always manages to damage them. so why not having multiple and have a smoke animation coming out of his chest).

7) Adds some extra jokes and/or quotes.

I think this would balance it out a little bit and while also keeping gears iconic in WX's core gameplay. It might be hard to code but it would give him some extra flavor while also making it conditional and incentivize the player to go hunting for some extra character power. Also it upens his survivability window with the right circuit e.x. moggles circuit and light circuit in case he gets discharged.

Edited April 20, 2022 by potato sandwich

[sunny91]

5 hours ago, bigGMIW said:

I think they should just revert that, give him 1 more slot and call it a day at this point.

Or they could make bioanalyzer not take up a slot.

 

[Parusoid]

5 hours ago, Memetan said:

This means that Merm King will last longer, I think. Can someone tell me how many days last Merm King compared to the non beta one? Is it now worth it to feed, or better leave him starve?

double the time

upon spawning merm has 50 hunger (out of 200)

live: hunger drain 50 per day (full stomach last 4 days)
beta: hunger drain 25 per day (full stomach last 8 days)

when 0 hunger is reached, it takes additional 2 days for his health to go down from 1000 to 0 and die

Edited April 19, 2022 by Parusoid