WX-78 Refresh Beta Open!

[SmallBirdHungry]

7 minutes ago, jan Mele said:

Imagine ignoring all gameplay and saying "well the theming is different"

Imagine not taking time to make up an actual compelling argument and just mocking the other person. In case you haven't noticed, theming is a pretty big *cough* theme in this game.

Although I do agree the musical upgrade seems like more of a joke thing, but somehow ends up being really powerful.

[Dwasint]

Just now, ArubaroBeefalo said:

wat

you already know exactly why i say he is in a bad state, i don't like characters thats whole gimmick is to be a base boy. His drawbacks are put their to specifically put most wormwood players square in the base because of his lack on instant healing for most of the early game, aswell as his upsides being centred around farming which together make wormwood an ideal character for base sitting

[jan Mele]

6 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

 but if he Could: 

, _' bro? 

There's no battle plants. There's no worker plants. There's farming, fertilizing, bloomin and the unrelated health downside. 

I suppose you could play Wormweed for the last one. 

Edited April 15, 2022 by jan Mele

[ArubaroBeefalo]

1 minute ago, Dwasint said:

you already know exactly why i say he is in a bad state, i don't like characters thats whole gimmick is to be a base boy. His drawbacks are put their to specifically put most wormwood players square in the base because of his lack on instant healing for most of the early game, aswell as his upsides being centred around farming which together make wormwood an ideal character for base sitting

good for a task != forced to do that task

i have clean the ruins in a comfy way thanks to the speed boost while my friend playing as wanda was doing some farming or whatever in the surface

also you dont liking something doesnt make it bad so wormwood isnt in a bad state

[jan Mele]

7 minutes ago, SmallBirdHungry said:

Imagine not taking time to make up an actual compelling argument and just mocking the other person. In case you haven't noticed, theming is a pretty big *cough* theme in this game.

Although I do agree the musical upgrade seems like more of a joke thing, but somehow ends up being really powerful.

Howl's concern was about gameplay though. 

[Mike23Ua]

12 minutes ago, Dwasint said:

you already know exactly why i say he is in a bad state, i don't like characters thats whole gimmick is to be a base boy. His drawbacks are put their to specifically put most wormwood players square in the base because of his lack on instant healing for most of the early game, aswell as his upsides being centred around farming which together make wormwood an ideal character for base sitting

Wormwood is a character designed to work with the Hamlet DLC whom was ported from said Hamlet DLC into DST, the difference between DST and Hamlet is that in Hamlet Wormwoods perks actually work to protect him from all the otherwise hostile plant life, in DST… There currently ISN’T much hostile plant life: But obviously Klei knows that and in future content updates Wormwoods will get content that benefits these perks.

Otherwise: they would’ve just removed this perk from wormwood completely and reworked them to have something else in its place.

Wormwood is in a poor spot, because unlike Hamlet: The content Wormwood can interact with is in a poor spot..

There are 3 Content updates scheduled for this year as well as 2 additional QoL updates: If Wormwood gets Nothing after all that- that’s when I’ll start complaining.. but I trust Klei, and I’m sure they’re well aware that pulling a character that’s perks worked best in Hamlet out of Hamlet will eventually need more Hamlet-like stuff to interact with.

Edited April 15, 2022 by Mike23Ua

[Dwasint]

1 minute ago, Mike23Ua said:

Wormwood is a character designed to work with the Hamlet DLC whom was ported from said Hamlet DLC into DST, the difference between DST and Hamlet is that in Hamlet Wormwoods perks actually work to protect him from all the otherwise hostile plant life, in DST… There currently ISN’T much hostile plant life: But obviously Klei knows that and in future content updates Wormwoods will get content that benefits these perks.

Otherwise: they would’ve just removed this perk from wormwood completely and reworked them to have something else in its place.

Wormwood is in a poor spot, because unlike Hamlet: The content Wormwood can interact with is in a poor spot..

There are 3 Content updates scheduled for this year as well as 2 additional QoL updates: If Wormwood gets Nothing after all that- that’s when I’ll start complaining.. but I trust Klei, and I’m sure they’re well aware that pulling a character that’s perked worked best in Hamlet out of Hamlet will eventually need more to interact with.

His perks work perfectly fine in DST the issue i have isn't with his current perks it's with the systems hes built around without taking into account players time as a factor. He makes farming easier yes, but farming is still farming and without a friendly fruit fly you need to babysit the fields for big crops. Tie this into the fact that he has worse healing than any other character in the game, makes him a character designed around sitting around base. If he had literally anything to help with tending the plants while he actually explores then he would be fine.

11 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

good for a task != forced to do that task

i have clean the ruins in a comfy way thanks to the speed boost while my friend playing as wanda was doing some farming or whatever in the surface

also you dont liking something doesnt make it bad so wormwood isnt in a bad state

Not saying he's forced to do it, i'm saying the character was designed around farming as a concept for dst and taking him as he was designed a farmer he is a base boy

[goblinball]

24 minutes ago, Dwasint said:

you already know exactly why i say he is in a bad state, i don't like characters thats whole gimmick is to be a base boy. His drawbacks are put their to specifically put most wormwood players square in the base because of his lack on instant healing for most of the early game, aswell as his upsides being centred around farming which together make wormwood an ideal character for base sitting

What if I enjoy sitting at base taking care of my crops when I’m playing as wormwood. I don’t see how this is a problem.

[Cheggf]

14 hours ago, HowlVoid said:

Thanks! I appreciate your sentiment. (No sarcasm intended)

But unfortunately knowing that 3 electrification circuits do 90 dmg vs the bramble husks pitiful 22.5 plus being able to equip a marble suit on top of that just make me sad again.

Or that a single acceleration circuit 2.0 which only takes up two slots gives as much speed as Wormwood's blooming. Not to mention they stack to give 40% speed and finally 50% speed when 3 are used. 

So two slots and you're already wormwood with 4 remaining slots and no healing penalties. 

BuT WoOrMwOOd Is A GReaT FaRMer SO i GuESs THat MAkeS IT oK

Infinite living logs for no inventory requirement, great sanity management both ways, being by far the best farmer able to amass years of food for little effort, and several more lesser perks is way better than infinite moggles or whatever WX can fit in his remaining 4 slots.

[Anglex]

Although I love this new system of upgrading, I also at the same time feel that it can be abused very heavily. Being able to have a max health of 600 or being able to move at god like speeds is super strong and puts WX above many characters in a lot of aspects. I think maybe limiting it by only allowing one of the same upgrade would balance it a bit more. Not that I'm really complaining I don't mind being insanely fast.

Edited April 15, 2022 by Anglex

[HowlVoid]

17 minutes ago, Cheggf said:

Infinite living logs for no inventory requirement, great sanity management both ways, being by far the best farmer able to amass years of food for little effort, and several more lesser perks is way better than infinite moggles or whatever WX can fit in his remaining 4 slots.

Living logs aren't infinite, they require a bit of work to get to that point and when you do it's slow. Unless you plan on making dozens of trips to collect nitre, waste all your jelly beans, or juggle stats around with a tent or bat bat it's usually not worth the hassle (to make more than you need). An ornery beefalo does 2 less damage and safe guards wormwood from damage which is incredibly efficient. 

Mushroom planters are in an akward state right now, idk if they'll ever get some attention. 

A single sun caller staff lasts so long but so what if you're immune to winter all together. A heat and speed module and you've already accomplished everything I can usually have by first winter. I can't even stay blooming first winter.

Every other craft using living logs is just meh. You can make a zoo, I guess.

If you want food for all year just feed a pig and tell it another pig talked smacked about it's mama. Done. 

Edited April 15, 2022 by HowlVoid

[Cheggf]

2 minutes ago, HowlVoid said:

Living logs aren't infinite, they require a bit of work to get to that point and when you do it's slow. Unless you plan on making dozens of trips to collect nitre, waste all your jelly beans, or juggle stats around with a tent or bat bat it's usually not worth the hassle (to make more than you need). An ornery beefalo does 2 less damage and safe guards wormwood from damage which is incredibly efficient. 

Mushroom planters are in an akward state right now, idk if they'll ever get some attention. 

A single sun caller staff lasts so long but so what if you're immune to winter all together. A heat and speed module and you've already accomplished everything I can usually have by first winter. I can't even stay blooming first winter.

Every other craft using living logs is just meh. You can make a zoo, I guess.

If you want food for all year just feed a pig and tell it another pig talked smacked about it's mama. Done. 

If you're on a beef why are you even comparing characters with speed boosts? Beef also attack slower so they don't do as much damage as a d sword.

[HowlVoid]

6 minutes ago, Cheggf said:

If you're on a beef why are you even comparing characters with speed boosts? Beef also attack slower so they don't do as much damage as a d sword.

Wormwood benefits from being on a Beefalo as a way to bypass the healing downside. For some players that have a hard time fighting it's almost a necessity. 

The hardest part about making darkswords is killing nightmares, it's really slow. Sometimes the time it takes to farm for enough fuel is how much longer it would take if you had just used a hambat. It's not like Wanda who has amazing synergy with night mare fuel. For most bosses you only need 2-3 darkswords which you can just get from a gnome. 

Getting living logs is slow even when wormwood has gotten to a point where he has an abundance of healing. 

Edited April 15, 2022 by HowlVoid

[YouKnowWho]

These merm changes remind me: a couple updates ago they reimplemented the pigmen greeting players when they walk up to them. Could we get this feature for merms too? It'd be pretty nice to get chummy with the big guys. Could even have different lines for when a king is alive, like "long live the king!"

[JesseB_Klei]

3 hours ago, Obidio said:

Wurt still suffers the -1.33 sanity from the Milkmade Hat which is basically a Seawreath with milk attached.

Thanks! This will be out for the next hotfix.

[Canis]

2 hours ago, Anglex said:

Although I love this new system of upgrading, I also at the same time feel that it can be abused very heavily. Being able to have a max health of 600 or being able to move at god like speeds is super strong and puts WX above many characters in a lot of aspects. I think maybe limiting it by only allowing one of the same upgrade would balance it a bit more. Not that I'm really complaining I don't mind being insanely fast.

I don't view this as something that is "insanely OP" because WX already had this pre-rework. The key difference is that the WX player has to choose which benefit to have at once, instead of having all of them running 24/7.

In regards to the max health of 600. I personally want to see it stay because it's such a ridiculous number and I find it funny.

[Blunty_x]

Wurt changes are so nice. Thank you Klei, can't wait for them to hit console. Frogs are neutral to Wurt aswell since she is a merm or is it just Merms not including Wurt ?

[Mike23Ua]

3 hours ago, Canis said:

I don't view this as something that is "insanely OP" because WX already had this pre-rework. The key difference is that the WX player has to choose which benefit to have at once, instead of having all of them running 24/7.

In regards to the max health of 600. I personally want to see it stay because it's such a ridiculous number and I find it funny.

Thing is when Klei reworked Wolfgang they brought him down a bit, I was certain they’d do the same to WX78, I remember when Wolfgang fans wanted an Arm or Leg Day work out to choose which to have at the moment at this rework just seems to be that but without any of the Nerfs Wolf got.

What even are WX’s nerfs? Does Water damage actually play an impactful role in their downside? Do they need to befriend Chester & a few random pig followers to prevent their Sanity from nose diving?

Im glad this is just a Beta version- because I’d hope for a little more balance on the full release. 

WX can install several fuses to go faster, or have higher health that’s errr nice I guess- But does plugging in too many at once short circuit WX/ cause electrical shortages/consume power more quickly?

Does Land Lord Charlie come knocking at WX78’s door to give them the Electricity bill?

I guess the TL:DR- As someone who wants to like playing as reworked Wolfgang.. the Funny robot doesn’t feel like it got hit with enough downsides to compare.

[Harrowick]

Thank you guys so much for fixing Wurt, means alot! 

[Mysterious box]

7 hours ago, JesseB_Klei said:

Thanks! This will be out for the next hotfix.

I'm not sure if this is intended but Wurt still targets frogs for attacks without it being a forced attack despite them being neutral to her now. 

[Konnor555]

The electric upgrade feels weird, this was such an interesting concept but who needs 30 damage, when someone hits you, when you can just take bonus 150 health instead. Klei devs, if you found my comment, please, make the electrification upgrade give you bonus electrical damage when you hit, not only it makes sense, but the upgrade by itself will be way better.

[JesseB_Klei]

1 hour ago, Mysterious box said:

I'm not sure if this is intended but Wurt still targets frogs for attacks without it being a forced attack despite them being neutral to her now. 

Corrected for the next hotfix!

[Psychic Chicken]

Somewhere out there, some Wurt main who doesn't read patch notes is gonna get decimated by their day 5000 merm army for murdering a fish.

[Losparkeros]

2 hours ago, Psychic Chicken said:

Somewhere out there, some Wurt main who doesn't read patch notes is gonna get decimated by their day 5000 merm army for murdering a fish

Probably because of abandoned hope that Wurt will get any rework at all till the end of time.

[Masterblaster38]

One thing, could you maybe make the scan take less time? Scanning rabits is very hard, because even if you capture him and put It in the floor, the scan doesn't have enough time to do It.

Thats the only bad thing in my opinion.