WX-78 Rework Ideas

[BezKa]

I just want their animated short to be about Introspection and great self discovery.

But it's just WX finding blueprints of themself

[ArubaroBeefalo]

22 minutes ago, Gi-Go said:

A new meter and a new crafting tab. 

an overcharge meter and upgrades crafting tab 

[CremeLover]

When thinking about a rework of a character, the one thing to keep in mind is the fantasy that character fulfills.

 

The way I see it, WX-78 and is niche is like that of RPGs or other games like megaman, metroid or terraria. That is, you start very weak, but slowly you advance and as defeat your enemies, you take a portion of their power and use it to upgrade yourself making yourself stronger.

The way this is done is by defeating clockwork enemies, you take their pieces to reinforce your chasis, giving you a flat boost to your stats, making a fully upgraded WX-78 a fair contestant for tank alongside Wigfrid in terms of durability, specially with a couple of extra gears. The downside comes in acquiring those said gears. Is not much of an issue for experienced players, but for people who don't have much knowledge, consuming all the gears without knowing any better can be costly, for WX-78 and the server. Specially the server as WX-78 can eat spoiled food with less penalty, making him less in need for a fridge.

 

For the rework, I don't have any specifics I want, but more of an outline:

• Allow WX-78 to craft gears while nerfing (or removing) the effect or consuming them, similar to wormwood with living logs.
• Using gears, electric doodads, wires or other technological components and some of the boss drops like the ancient guardian horn you can craft some unique upgrades for yourself (or the base, but mostly for yourself as WX-78 is not a character keen on sharing with fleshlings).
• Using the charged lightning rod as crafting station for WX-78 unique crafting
• Maybe give an overview to the energy system as a whole and making general crafts to create a thunderstorm (rain included) but maybe that's too big of a project for a character rework.
• (allow others more technologically oriented characters like Winona for her second rework to use the charged lightning rod for energy *wink*)

 

That's a basic outline of what I think could be an interesting direction to take the character, without any fancy specifics.

[luvu2bits]

Make it so WX's upgrades (whether they're changed or not) are permanent or at least drop 100% of the gears upon death

[Dunk Mujunk]

As long as I can still eat spoiled items and receive the full benefits I'll be happy. Wetness certainly needs to be a much bigger issue than it is as well.

Other than that I don't know. I rarely use Overcharge, and I only eat Gears years into a world once all the IceBox/Fling needs are met. I wouldn't care too much if these 2 abilities were heavily reworked.

Im honestly a little nervous though. On the one hand modules and upgrades sound cool of course. On the other hand I'd hate for things to get too silly or too far out there. I suppose Klei knows what they are doing though. 

To tell you the truth I'd be happy if I had the option to ignore most of the rework if I chose to (again, as someone who doesn't Overcharge/consume Gears).

7 hours ago, QuartzBeam said:

Replace Hunger with Fuel or something, so they just burn food and fuelables to increase it, but need to restore health and sanity in some other way.

I won't lie, this is the type of stuff I worry about. Not so much the Hunger part (that makes sense), but the Health/Sanity part (honestly this part makes sense also). 

What current Health/Sanity options would you say should remain available to a reworked WX? What would you propose as new WX exclusive Health/Sanity options?

Not saying your ideas are bad, and I'd imagine Klei will be going in the general direction of some of these ideas, I'm just a bit (very) apprehensive about the WX rework.

[DrMcGillacactus]

WX rework where Wagstaff shows up to dismantle him for parts.

[Cheggf]

Speed boost removed, gaining stats is now done by creating a workshop and playing a 30 second minigame to get 5 minutes of enhanced stats. To compensate for the removal of the speed boost butterflies now take 100 milliseconds longer to fly away from him since they don't immediately recognize him as living.

[Dunk Mujunk]

27 minutes ago, Cheggf said:

butterflies now take 100 milliseconds longer to fly away from him since they don't immediately recognize him as living.

Make it 100 milliseconds off the end of the net swing animation and we have a deal.

[-Nick-]

I think WX should have his overcharge ability be more accessible, but nerfed and changed a little to compensate. 

I would also love of his upgrades were more unique and you could change what benifits you want with different upgrades.

 

WX-78 should def have a more potent downside than just being tickled by water. WX could have a rusting mechanic where it slowly builds up, and it increases when wet. WX could wax himself to lower it. The more rustier he is, the weaker.

(Then that means there needs a way to make a waxing kit, or a easier way to renew wax.)

[Milordo]

8 hours ago, SkyistheGround said:

 

- maybe some explanation on why wx was made in the first place, any why they have things like health and hunger when they could've been made to rely on like, sun for energy

 

Isn't Wx, like a cyborg? I was always thought that was the idea from Klei, since he has a stomach and all. That's why he's missing the hearth module, wagstaff forgot to put it or maybe he's a bit heartless too. 

[CremeLover]

30 minutes ago, Nickolai said:

WX-78 should def have a more potent downside than just being tickled by water. WX could have a rusting mechanic where it slowly builds up, and it increases when wet. WX could wax himself to lower it. The more rustier he is, the weaker.

Wax is good for preventing rust, but not to remove existing rust.

Potatoes on the other hand, they are natural enemies of rust.

Spoiler

 

 

[-Nick-]

39 minutes ago, CremeLover said:

Wax is good for preventing rust, but not to remove existing rust.

It doesnt need to be realistic at the end of the day. I just thought wax would be fitting.

[AlternateMew]

14 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

I would ALSO make it so WX can reach inside their own chest pulling out gears taking away some of their own function to help speed up team builds requiring the use of gears.

If WX can use/remove gears at will and not lose them permanently on death, that'd be cool. I like that. Also gives it a niche like Wormwood, just not infinite. 

WX has always been on my "I want to like" list, but not enough to choose it over others. I'm interested in whatever comes and hope to feel the desire to add it to my 'I don't feel like Webber at the moment' picks

[VirgilEngineer]

WX-78 now can summon Wagstaff like a jojo's stand or something. 

 

ARE YOU FIGHTING FUELWEAVER!?! DON'T WORRY, JUST SUMMON WAGSTAFF AND HIS 1000 THUMPERS AND DESTROY THAT SKELETON!

 

I love WX-78, but his gameplay is so boring rn, it's even more boring than wilson's. Also I would love to finally have the Guest Of honor skin for WX, but is overpriced as heck. Like... How is possible for one skin to be that expensive!?!

 

[SkyistheGround]

6 hours ago, Milordo said:

Isn't Wx, like a cyborg? I was always thought that was the idea from Klei, since he has a stomach and all. That's why he's missing the hearth module, wagstaff forgot to put it or maybe he's a bit heartless too. 

no?

there's nothing in their quotes that suggest that. wx doesnt have an actual stomach, it's more robotic parts that are analogous to human parts

they dont have a stomach as we know it, they describe their fuel processing system as a "chemical engine" (monster meat)

there's other examples too, optical sensors for eyes, cpu for brain, smelling module for nose, etc. they don't use the same terms as humans do to describe body parts

and if you want to mention the skeleton, pretty sure that's just there for consistency between characters (and so they leave one when they die). we see wormwood's creation as clearly boneless but he still has a skeleton ingame

[QuartzBeam]

10 hours ago, Dunk Mujunk said:

I won't lie, this is the type of stuff I worry about. Not so much the Hunger part (that makes sense), but the Health/Sanity part (honestly this part makes sense also). 

What current Health/Sanity options would you say should remain available to a reworked WX? What would you propose as new WX exclusive Health/Sanity options?

Not saying your ideas are bad, and I'd imagine Klei will be going in the general direction of some of these ideas, I'm just a bit (very) apprehensive about the WX rework.

I was not saying they should do that. Merely that they could. There are no hard rules when it comes to WX-78, because they are not even organic.

[MAMMAL_MAN]

not sure how this idea will go but here are my two cents: 

WX is a robot and it kind of makes no sense for robots to need food to run (even with all the wild magic in this game imo). I talked with a friend about ideas for WX and an interesting one that stuck with me was replacing WX's food meter with a fuel gauge. Granted they can still use food as fuel, but it also allows possibilities for actual fuel (such as logs, charcoal, nitre, etc.) to keep themselves running. Depending on the gauge will have the following effects:
- Too High: WX will begin to generate heat and get a minor speed/gathering boost, however they begin to lost health and sanity overtime (as long as the fuel gauge is too high
-Normal: You just play normally, no bonuses
-Too Low: WX will get a speed/mining reduction, and your stats will be blacked out

note: this idea was made around a year ago but I just want to hear other's thoughts

Other then what I have said above, @QuartzBeam has great ideas with WX involving the upgrade modules.

[hhh2]

2 hours ago, VirgilEngineer said:

WX-78 now can summon Wagstaff like a jojo's stand or something. 

 

ARE YOU FIGHTING FUELWEAVER!?! DON'T WORRY, JUST SUMMON WAGSTAFF AND HIS 1000 THUMPERS AND DESTROY THAT SKELETON!

 

I love WX-78, but his gameplay is so boring rn, it's even more boring than wilson's. Also I would love to finally have the Guest Of honor skin for WX, but is overpriced as heck. Like... How is possible for one skin to be that expensive!?!

 

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[Milordo]

2 hours ago, SkyistheGround said:

no?

there's nothing in their quotes that suggest that. wx doesnt have an actual stomach, it's more robotic parts that are analogous to human parts

they dont have a stomach as we know it, they describe their fuel processing system as a "chemical engine" (monster meat)

there's other examples too, optical sensors for eyes, cpu for brain, smelling module for nose, etc. they don't use the same terms as humans do to describe body parts

and if you want to mention the skeleton, pretty sure that's just there for consistency between characters (and so they leave one when they die). we see wormwood's creation as clearly boneless but he still has a skeleton ingame

Oh, okay. Nah i wasn't thinking about the skeleton, that's pure old comical cartoon logic, but i don't kno why i always depicted him as cyborg, which would have explained how he eats, sanity, ecc.... if it's all mechanical parts as he described then okay. The question still remains, why creating a body like this? Could it be.... Wagstaff wanted to created a sorta of remote puppet to explore the Costant? As he did with his hologram?

Like NASA when they use remote robots to explore parts of Mars.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

burning organic materials (food) to get energy doesn't mean that is done in an organic stomach, could be just a chemical or combustion chamber

[Marfoo]

20 hours ago, QuartzBeam said:

I'd scrap both the gear eating and the current overcharge system and rebuild the character around a (hopefully simple) modular upgrade system. Like so:

• WX has 3 Module Slots that can be equipped with various Modules, which can be crafted in a Robotics(?) tab using Gears and other stuff.
• Health, Hunger and Sanity have a maximum of 100 by default, but increase by 25 for each equipped Module. (So a maxed out WX will have 175 in each stat.)
• Modules would have a short calibration period (1-2 minutes?) before they take effect to prevent rapid swapping.
• WX can still eat stale and spoiled food without penalty.
• They also take more damage from wetness.
• Electricity-powered modules could generate heat and possibly lead to overheating if overused?

 

As for the modules themselves (be warned, I suck at names):

• Reinforced Chassis - Raises max Health by 50(ish?).
• Co-Processor - Raises max Sanity by 50.
• Improved Furnace - Raises max Hunger by 50.
• Electric Battery - Stores power from lightning strikes, lightning rods, electric attacks... and maybe volt goat horns and electrical doodads?
• Electric Motor - Consumes stored power to move at 1.50x speed.
• Electric Plating - Consumes stored power to deal extra electric damage every time WX deals or receives a melee attack.
• Electric Scanner/Beacon - Consumes stored power to activate night vision (scanner) or emit light (beacon).
• Electric Cloaker(I told you I suck at names) - Consumes stored power to lose aggro and turn WX-78 invisible.

 

Or something like that. Honestly, since WX is a robot, they could go completely nuts with their refresh. Make them get rusted (less max health) from the rain and need gears to fix it. Replace Hunger with Fuel or something, so they just burn food and fuelables to increase it, but need to restore health and sanity in some other way. The list just goes on and on.

I think you've done it the best, salutations to you my friend!

[hhh2]

if anybody needs character specific crafts, it's WX, crafting upgrades sounds pretty freaking cool. Like imagine he gets a heat vision lazer shooty thing, or freeze vision for a hands free ice staff. I think Klei will be very creative with WX's rework, there really is just so much you could do with it.

I think WX shouldn't have any team perks just because his character is a robot that hates everything that isn't a robot so it wouldn't make sense for him to have anything that benifits other players.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

8 minutes ago, hhh2 said:

I think WX shouldn't have any team perks just because his character is a robot that hates everything that isn't a robot so it wouldn't make sense for him to have anything that benifits other players.

wx could craft a whip to make other sacks of flesh survivors work faster

[mima_]

tbh i never interested on wx perks because :

-the best perks he had without help of wicker books, its meh . not like in hamlet that u can overcharge using mobs .. in DST i hate seeing wx player have to begs for being electrocuted to enjoy his perks at its max

-being able to gather so many gears with ruins and repeatably reset it every summer make its easy for wx to relying on gear as basic food, no need to worry of farming and cooking on pots .. no need to worry about health and sanity again .. its a bit boring .i like food mechanic. but gear ? it gave so much stat and never spoil 

- he never really a team player. if there anyone tell me he can be a tank .. everyone can be tank..  just use marble suit and stacks of healing food. as tank wigfrid does it better.




but man... if @QuartzBeam idea get implemented it would be so much fun .. instead of munching gear .. he can use gear to craft those module ...
i can see it happen and will be super fun to play..

maybe add 2 kind of module stat module to upgrade his stat . and consumable buffing module  (like for efficiency when working etc)

to be good for early stat module if wont consume its durability (if its on the stat upgrade) but its will break if you force to take it out to replace with new module (dont drop the module back if equipped new module) or drop with one more chance to re-equip if he die with half of upgrade as well.(maybe) ...

so in late game you might want and have chance to upgrade yourself with different stat module or using more of buffing module (consumable)
so gears have more use than op non-spoiling late game food 



 

[Mike23Ua]

I get what’s going on here.. people are making WX rework suggestions so Klei will be like: that’s the one they want reworked next let’s do WX instead of Wicker, Wilson or Maxwell!

(just hope they also nerf Wx) because characters that are just increased, decreased stats are boring.. and I don’t care if it CAN be upgraded with gears, 400 hp is still a bit ridiculous.

I would suggest letting upgrades do “other things” beyond just effect stats, such as: the ability to build a Wagstaff like Metal Umbrella that comes out the antenna on WX’s head that shields it from rain damage.

WX78 was created by WAGSTAFF so uhhh yeah it should go without saying this: but it should be able to do some pretty cool stuff.