Wolfgang's Character Refresh is Coming Next Week!

[HowlVoid]

Just now, GNGR bred boi said:

I almost feel like they gave him faster rowing speed when mighty just to get to the lunar island and get stonefruit 

You still need to mine the stone individually :/. Do dumbbells destroy stone fruit? 

They could get a damage to resource point equivalent to 5-10 chops/pick swings.

[GNGR bred boi]

Just now, HowlVoid said:

Do dumbbells destroy stone fruit? 

No but it would make a lot of sense if they did

[Falkenpelz]

One thing I immidiately thought of is that the nerfs he got finally make him a fairer opponent in PvP. I know, not many people even play PvP, but in my experience it tended to go "Wolfgang/Wigfrid wins cause damage/health go brrr". Having him not just be a two-shoting food vacuum seems like a nice change.

[sawchuk]

7 minutes ago, Falkenpelz said:

One thing I immidiately thought of is that the nerfs he got finally make him a fairer opponent in PvP. I know, not many people even play PvP, but in my experience it tended to go "Wolfgang/Wigfrid wins cause damage/health go brrr". Having him not just be a two-shoting food vacuum seems like a nice change.

I mean, in PvP there is only one character that "wins" and it's sleepytime stories. Not even Wickerbottom wins, just sleepytime stories does. It's so busted.

[GNGR bred boi]

They should make marble dumbells kind of like Walter's slingshtot ammo 

[Andrerrr]

11 hours ago, JoeW said:

Keep it coming everybody. Let us know that you played, and let us know what you think. 

Just keep it polite and constructive. Please.

I think any type of potato food could increase his mighty form a little bit, or maybe he can craft a consumable protein with potatoes! and also i like the idea of a craftable potato sack that can be used as a big chest, but only wolfgang can carry it

[GuyNamedChris]

The only thing this rework needs to be perfect is to add balloon dumbbells to Wes' kit that give absolutely no mightiness to Wolfgang when lifted, and float off into the sky when thrown. 

[HowlVoid]

13 minutes ago, GuyNamedChris said:

The only thing this rework needs to be perfect is to add balloon dumbbells to Wes' kit that give absolutely no mightiness to Wolfgang when lifted, and float off into the sky when thrown. 

Where have you been this whole time dude? You can end wars with your suggestions.

[Codina]

The video game experience of standing still usually feels boring and slow. Like fishing or sleeping. It is tedious and feels like a chore. This is being part of Wolfgang's kit might make people not want to play him. He needs to stand still for 3 minutes in-order to fight something because when you don't work out you will constantly be in weakling form. For a rework, I thought they were gonna give him power up? Or new tools to aid him? They can keep his old hunger kit. For the new kit maybe when he performs specific workouts he can do special ultimate moves? Like a ground-pound or a ranged shockwave or a stun? Where he can perform once when he finishes charging up. To perform it you would right-click like Wheeler?

 

However, this makes him feel like a wrestler  which he is not. He is a strongman. Which all he does is to lift. I think Klei is limited by his character as a strongman? How can they add more of him when his character is supposed to be simple? And not just a stat boost but interesting gameplay interactions?

The gameplay fantasy of standing still working out is boring though :/

[1Martis]

Cool update

[HowlVoid]

When this gets finalized and we all move on with our lives, who wants to go get pizza?

[ArubaroBeefalo]

Just now, HowlVoid said:

When this gets finalized and we all move on with our lives, who wants to go get pizza?

not wolfgang, he will bring it cold 

[HowlVoid]

3 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

not wolfgang, he will bring it cold 

He can put it next to his biceps and warm it up again. 

[Mantispidae]

10 hours ago, reallychina said:

The speed nerf is massive and bad, people saying otherwise simply do not understand wolfgang meta. Despite being known for his might and double damage, manipulating speed was almost half of his perk.

Oh I get the wolfgang meta. I just think it sucked.

It is a big nerf and I do think something should be made to improve wolfgang in it's place (This rework mostly redesigns the mechanic behind activating his skills and provides a few smaller, but good, perks), but you'll never convince me that making a tank character with high damage also move faster than default at only the cost of some food was good design. Im sure it was fun alright, cause how it is it not fun to curbstomp bosses at a quarter of the effort. 

[GNGR bred boi]

Alright I gotta admit, when I was in a server there was an over inflation of Wolfgangs obviously and we killed dragonfly and bee queen without bee queen even getting the time to do her roar and enrage the grumblebees, that being said, I don't think Wolfgang needs his speed but it's a good thing to have when not doing mindless crtl f on bosses. 

[KeshS]

Now we just need to nerf green and blue caps, and the dust is settled.

[Monkey Cups]

I got bored of reading this thread at about page 20 or so, but man there's a lot of people assuming that anyone with a different opinion of them is a (insert not Wolfgang character here) main or that they've never played Wolf ever. Like how tf you know that bruh? You look over the shoulders of the entire playerbase while they play?

I like the new Wolfgang so far. Dumbells could be more durable yeah, and I wouldn't be opposed to him getting some sort of AOE smash attack like the hammers in the Forge like I've seen people suggest. Actually I would've liked more of the Forge combat mechanics to make it into the main game in general as they were more fun than the "hold F and occasionally dodge" thing we have going on right now.

Speed boost being gone is good though. Wolfgang didn't need both damage and speed.

[rodent]

After around 2 hours or so of gameplay I noticed how bad the dumbbells are. I think the rework is great outside of having to constantly upkeep your mightiness. The wimpy mode could just be straight up removed since all it adds is an annoying mechanic to constantly take care of and kills the pace of your gameplay a lot. Either the dumbbells or upkeep for mighty mode needs changing since you will go out of mighty mode during longer boss fights and most of the time you don't have time to start working out. 

[reallychina]

1 hour ago, Mantispidae said:

Oh I get the wolfgang meta. I just think it sucked.

It is a big nerf and I do think something should be made to improve wolfgang in it's place (This rework mostly redesigns the mechanic behind activating his skills and provides a few smaller, but good, perks), but you'll never convince me that making a tank character with high damage also move faster than default at only the cost of some food was good design. Im sure it was fun alright, cause how it is it not fun to curbstomp bosses at a quarter of the effort. 

i agree wolfgang should never have been a tank to begin with. high damage high health breaks the concepts of damage dealers and tanks. i'd personally even lower his max health to under 100 as long as he gets the speed back. speed was part of the reason he was enganging to play and was such a big part of playing it, disergarding fights. 

 

they could also keep the health as is but have a penalty to mightiness when hit. i believe this is the best option because it encourages and rewards good playstyle. this reward and penalty system is what makes wanda so engaging to play.

 

maybe it would be interesting if they made some sort of mechanic for him to train legs for speed. or maybe character specifc speed shakes anyone can use idk

[Ad Zula]

I am a Wolfgang Main. In fact I only play Wolfgang ever. I have played thousands of hours over multiple devices, PC, Console and mobile. Anything I own that DST/DS runs on I buy it for. After this “refresh” aka Nerf I don’t think I will be returning to the constant. 
 

so after the addition of Wanda Wolfgang doesn’t even do the most damage anymore and after this nerf he doesn’t move fast, and his health doesn’t increase.

So he’s no long a damage dealer or a tank or speedster. Hes what then? A guy who does a little more damage than Wilson? 
 

Why did Wolfgang need a nerf? And if he needed it why didn’t wicker bottom or WX or Wanda? Why did you do this?
 

removing his speed buff will destroy Wolfgang. My main character has been destroyed. He no longer even has a place in the meta. why not just play a character that does what he does but better? There are now characters that are faster, hit harder, and are tankier. 

And it doesn’t make sense, an athlete that doesn’t miss leg day or cardio would be faster than your average person. Someone who works out would be faster than someone who doesn’t, period. 
 

to say I’m dissatisfied and disappointed would be an understatement. I love DST and because of that I have supported the game and supported Klei’s other titles too. maybe it’s time for a new game, a new favorite game company. Klei, after giving me so much joy with gaming, today you have made me sad.

[HowlVoid]

Ok so what if people could climb up on Wolfgang's work out structure. While Wolfgang can't really help the team outside of fights, the team could him get the maximum weight early on.

Also would be funny af

I want to see Wolfgang bench press 2 Wes

Weses? Wesi?

[reallychina]

30 minutes ago, HowlVoid said:

Ok so what if people could climb up on Wolfgang's work out structure. While Wolfgang can't really help the team outside of fights, the team could him get the maximum weight early on.

Also would be funny af

I want to see Wolfgang bench press 2 Wes

Weses? Wesi?

that is a great idea and hilarious. should also raise mightiness fastest to encourage collaboration, or even extra bonus to damage or something

 

klei pls

[Serkesh77]

A lot of what I think has already been said by others in this post, for me the muscle building mechanics look a lot like the sleeping mechanics in the game. You interact with a stationary building or an item that forces you to stand still, and wait while your hunger bar drops so another status bar can go up. Sleeping has always seemed like a bad investment of my time while I'm playing, so I can't really enjoy weight training either.

 

If I could make any suggestions for change, it would be that other physical activities like mining, cutting trees, rowing boats would increase the strength bar a little too. Or at least that your strength bar doesn't drop while Wolfgang is doing these activities. There's no need to make him mine or cut trees faster while he's strong, this is a perk that's up to other resource-gathering characters.

 

[xDarkSoul18x]

Interesting. Might have to get him a go.

[Astraia]

Finally, we can actually do 2x damage at all times while mighty and it actually won't decrease (unless in normal or wimpy)

2 hours ago, HowlVoid said:

When this gets finalized and we all move on with our lives, who wants to go get pizza?

Me