Szczuku Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Klei likes to add new stuff, they don't really like to update/change old stuff. However here's a list of things Klei should probably explain/update/remove: -Birds. Ever since ds birds have been teased to be something mysterious. Woodie hates all birds and Maxwell explained that he doesn't recognize most of them/doesn't know how they got here. Klei never made any move to try and expand that plot. They even attempted to brush it off by showing 2 crows get sucked into the Constant with Wes. Still, Wagstaff comments that the birds we see are not actually birds -'Moon''s abilities. So Alter, one of Them, what can it do? Well, most of what we do know makes sense. Some things however... Pig/Merm heads open their eyes durring the full moon. When you hammer them they drop nightmare fuel. That must be just outdated, it makes no sense. If they did that durring the new moon, sure, but durring full moon? Outdated for sure Petrifying. Around the moon stone we can find petrified remains of: flowers, birds, spiders, koalefants and rabbits. Any reason for that? Like, I get hounds and werepigs; they're wolf-related. Does that occur durring the process of creating Moon Caller's Staff or could Alter petrify anything, for example, durring the Moonstorm? -Ancients' appearance. The Metheus murals make a clear distinction between the way Ancients looked like before and after the fuel. Before the fuel they looked like... well a shrimp bug-people. Something simmilar to the Mage statue but it's probably safe to assume that the Ancient Statues are outdated. After the fuel they lost their heads, gained that giant, gaping mouth on their stomach and underwent some color changes, a look potrayed by the Ancient Statues found in the Atrium. That lore was all good and dandy untill Klei introduced the Ancient Archive, a place where Ancients lived while still relying on lunar magic. There we can find Ancient Moon Statues, which potray Ancients as their post-nightmare fuel selves. So... was that an oopsie on Klei's part or what? -Clockworks. The Knight, the Bishop and the Rook. The ones on the surface have been created by Maxwell, that makes sense. The ones undergound however... while examining the fountain of knowledge Maxwell states that he 'must've misinterpreted the design' hinting that the Ancients never acually made clockworks, or at least not the Bishop. So what are their broken versions doing scattered all over the ruins? -Ancient Guardian. I mean... come on, this guy is nothing but outdated. What does Maxwell mean by calling him an 'old friend'? It'd be nice to learn something interesting regarding Maxwell's reign instead of the 'Oohh I cannot finish sentences. I didn't know this and that. What are They anyway'-stuff we've been getting recently Y'know for being one of the more interesting locations in dst the ruins are terribly outdated, but that's a topic for a different thread. -Obelisks. They can be found in the Adventure mode, in the Atrium and around the Pig King. What are those things? Are they something man-made or a product of shadow magic? After all Mr. Skitts is the one who raises/lowers them. -Gateway arc. Klei. What. Happened. To. Mumsy. And. Billy. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135144-unexplained-dst-stuffrelics-of-the-past/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spino43 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 So when you activate Aporkalypse, is the moon there the same entity we have known in RoT? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135144-unexplained-dst-stuffrelics-of-the-past/#findComment-1511348 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheggf Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Why do you need everything spelled out for you? Speculating is fun and there's plenty of games with unambiguous events if dislike the way Don't Starve tells its story. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135144-unexplained-dst-stuffrelics-of-the-past/#findComment-1511351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaZoul Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Szczuku said: -Gateway arc. Klei. What. Happened. To. Mumsy. And. Billy. Warly happened Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135144-unexplained-dst-stuffrelics-of-the-past/#findComment-1511354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Empa505 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 56 minutes ago, Spino43 said: So when you activate Aporkalypse, is the moon there the same entity we have known in RoT? i think so. It has the same effects on Wilba and Woodie. But the mystery behind aporcalypse still remains... I mean i just realized that Herald is shadow. Even tho its "full moon". Maybe it's like shadows getting control of the "moon". 1 hour ago, Szczuku said: -Gateway arc. Klei. What. Happened. To. Mumsy. And. Billy. Mumsy and Billy are reason why return of them started. So obviously they are one of "THEM". So there's altar, mumsy, billy and slurpers that we know for sure are one of "THEM". Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135144-unexplained-dst-stuffrelics-of-the-past/#findComment-1511357 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaZoul Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 7 minutes ago, Empa505 said: Mumsy and Billy are reason why return of them started. So obviously they are one of "THEM". So there's altar, mumsy, billy and slurpers that we know for sure are one of "THEM". I wouldn't say that. Why would they be the reason RoT started? RoT started cause Alter farted off part of his shell. And look, I'm a slurper appreciator but to say they are Them. But come on, of course 2 goats and a furball with a tongue can't be in the same ranks as a giant mutatuing eye inside the moon. I believe They are gods, so the beings I believe to be Them are Alter, the shadow entity, whatever their name is, and the Gnaw Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135144-unexplained-dst-stuffrelics-of-the-past/#findComment-1511358 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Szczuku Posted November 7, 2021 Author Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 hour ago, DaZoul said: I wouldn't say that. Why would they be the reason RoT started? RoT started cause Alter farted off part of his shell. And why did Alter do that? Perhaps ceratin survivors and goats travelling through dimentions and Charlie sucking up Gateway's energy could have alerted it. But we'll never know, Klei never made a connection. 2 hours ago, Cheggf said: Why do you need everything spelled out for you? I don't need it spelled out. I just want to know certain things. But yeah, sure obelisks near the Pig King and moon rubble are something I can live without knowing 100% of the details. The rest however? Those are straight up abandoned/forgotten plots or contradicting things. I think it is pretty justified to expect Klei to fix stuff that they themselves decided to mess up. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135144-unexplained-dst-stuffrelics-of-the-past/#findComment-1511369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaZoul Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Szczuku said: Charlie sucking up Gateway's energy could have alerted it. this is my best guess. Maybe it had something to do with Wagstaff? So yeah, I think it was either Charlie or Wagstaff that made it happen somehow Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135144-unexplained-dst-stuffrelics-of-the-past/#findComment-1511370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 who was the skeleton in the moon? why 2 of the altars were in the constant and 1 in the moon? the reason we can place them is because the moon fell but before, if someone wanted to place them, would need to go to the moon with carrying the altars who made the altars? ancients? were they able to travel to the moon? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135144-unexplained-dst-stuffrelics-of-the-past/#findComment-1511371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaZoul Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said: who was the skeleton in the moon? why 2 of the altars were in the constant and 1 in the moon? the reason we can place them is because the moon fell but before, if someone wanted to place them, would need to go to the moon with carrying the altars who made the altars? ancients? were they able to travel to the moon? What skeleton? The Celestial Altar I believe was always on the Moon. The Celestial Tribute was perhaps dropped down earlier, and Crap King found it. And the Sanctum was perhaps dropped down waaay earlier, when the Ancients worshipped the Moon, and they hid the 2 pieces just under the surface's crust. I don't think the altars could be assembled before the Island fell down. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135144-unexplained-dst-stuffrelics-of-the-past/#findComment-1511372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, DaZoul said: What skeleton? near the hot spring and the bath bomb, the set piece used to give a hint to the player to understand how to use them Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135144-unexplained-dst-stuffrelics-of-the-past/#findComment-1511373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicalStorm Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Are the DS Solo DLCS canon? If so, who is the Ancient Herald...Iron Hulk...what is the aporkalypse and is it caused by the Alter...if so why does it only happen on the Hamlet world.....theres too many things from there to list! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135144-unexplained-dst-stuffrelics-of-the-past/#findComment-1511378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Empa505 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 2 hours ago, DaZoul said: I wouldn't say that. Why would they be the reason RoT started? They caused the "moon" part to fall by saying that "Gnaw desires bread" on round 2 34 minutes ago, MagicalStorm said: Are the DS Solo DLCS canon? If so, who is the Ancient Herald...Iron Hulk...what is the aporkalypse and is it caused by the Alter...if so why does it only happen on the Hamlet world.....theres too many things from there to list! DLCS are cannon. For example we have characters from SW and HAM in dst. Ancient Herald: One of the ancients. Signals the coming of aporcalypse. More then 1 can spawn at the same time. i think Herald is the only boss that does that. Iron hulk: It has been described as "lonely sentinel still stuck in a long forgotten war" also klei has said its creator is a secret. Aporcalypse/altar: I dont think it caused by altar, since the clock controls aporcalypse. Also when it happens mainly shadow things happen meaning it would against altar. Wagstaffs examining the seaworthy is "the invaluable dark fuel is powering transportation to another word!" Another world? Maybe thats why aporcalypse does not have effect on the other worlds. Also its interesting that the aporcalypse clock is in (pig ruins) Hamlet is full of interesting lore and i love its gameplay. I wish they added more stuff to hamlet. like they did for sw with "home sea home", but that feels like a distant dream for me... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135144-unexplained-dst-stuffrelics-of-the-past/#findComment-1511381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicalStorm Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 44 minutes ago, Empa505 said: Aporcalypse/altar: I dont think it caused by altar, since the clock controls aporcalypse. Also when it happens mainly shadow things happen meaning it would against altar. Wagstaffs examining the seaworthy is "the invaluable dark fuel is powering transportation to another word!" Another world? Maybe thats why aporcalypse does not have effect on the other worlds. Then why does Hamlet and Shipwrecked also have full moons? That also have all of the full moon effects (Wilba turns into Werewilba for example), wouldn't that mean that the Alter is also in all worlds? And if thats the case, what happens to the Alter when the aporkalypse starts? Is the Alter overtaken by another entity? With the change of management being signalized by a red color? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135144-unexplained-dst-stuffrelics-of-the-past/#findComment-1511386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoseAppraiser Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 On 11/7/2021 at 2:54 AM, Szczuku said: Pig/Merm heads open their eyes durring the full moon. When you hammer them they drop nightmare fuel. That must be just outdated, it makes no sense. If they did that durring the new moon, sure, but durring full moon? Outdated for sure It might be outdated, but please consider the following: Under the sublime light of Alter, the nightmare fuel reacts violently. The fuel and moon glass are opposites and hence attract each other. There is very little fuel in the heads, but it all culminates during the full moon. On 11/7/2021 at 6:12 AM, ArubaroBeefalo said: who was the skeleton in the moon? The Constant has been established as a massive web of sorts, with branching paths, all on top of each other. It is likely the florid postern merged many realities together, hence the skeletons littered throughout. Someone made it to the moon, perishing shortly after. On 11/7/2021 at 2:54 AM, Szczuku said: Petrifying. Around the moon stone we can find petrified remains of: flowers, birds, spiders, koalefants and rabbits. Any reason for that? Like, I get hounds and werepigs; they're wolf-related. Does that occur durring the process of creating Moon Caller's Staff or could Alter petrify anything, for example, durring the Moonstorm? Perhaps this is more testament to the creation of the staff. The star caller's staff requires fuel, living logs, and gems as well as an unspecified amount of Alter's power, perhaps the result is a pertifying blast that left the ground/area unsuitable for smaller living things such as flowers and birds. On 11/7/2021 at 2:54 AM, Szczuku said: -Obelisks. They can be found in the Adventure mode, in the Atrium and around the Pig King. What are those things? Are they something man-made or a product of shadow magic? After all Mr. Skitts is the one who raises/lowers them. Perhaps something the ancients created, seeing as the Atrium has obelisks and similar items can be found there. On 11/7/2021 at 3:17 AM, Spino43 said: So when you activate Aporkalypse, is the moon there the same entity we have known in RoT? Yes and no. The Aporkalypse is an eternal solar eclipse, where a perpetual night reigns supreme. Alter is indeed there, but powerless. Without the balancing factor that is the Moon, shadows run amok. The Ancient Herald spawns, pigs turn to werepigs due to the nightmare fuel in their systems, madness reignth. And that is why werepigs occur during a full moon, enough fuel to spark a transformation but not enough to be usable. Monster meat must carry trace amounts as well, seeing as pigs transform after eating a fair bit of the stuff. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135144-unexplained-dst-stuffrelics-of-the-past/#findComment-1511388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MondayNight Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 It's ok for some things to never be officially explained, mystery enthralls for long-long time - threads like the present bare witness to this fact. And so, speculation seeps in, making for interesting discussions/arguments - like Rose's post above, proposing some pretty solid explanations. I for one only want to point at your Quote "..a shrimp bug-people. Something simmilar to the Mage statue but it's probably safe to assume that the Ancient Statues are outdated. After the fuel they lost their heads, gained that giant, gaping mouth on their stomach and underwent some color changes, a look potrayed by the Ancient Statues found in the Atrium" underlining, op: it can be that "the head" was a decorative mask of sorts (another past speculative idea), with certain symbolic significance to it, and the "gaping mouth" was always present. To me this Apex Nightmare Cycle depiction, with NF pouring from their inside, looks more like the moment their innards burst as what later would be known as Shadow Monsters - or a late-stage "shadowfication". Oh, and for AG's initial morphology, before the NF "corruption"/mutation, we can look at Forge's Rhinocebros as most-likely sapient candidates. Maybe that's what "Max's old friend" resembled. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135144-unexplained-dst-stuffrelics-of-the-past/#findComment-1511399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GetNerfedOn Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 6 hours ago, DaZoul said: Warly happened it cant be... were they his first bone bouillon victims?! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135144-unexplained-dst-stuffrelics-of-the-past/#findComment-1511404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaZoul Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, GetNerfedOn said: it cant be... were they his first bone bouillon victims?! You can't make a recipe without experimenting a bit, can you Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135144-unexplained-dst-stuffrelics-of-the-past/#findComment-1511406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Empa505 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 3 hours ago, MagicalStorm said: Then why does Hamlet and Shipwrecked also have full moons? That also have all of the full moon effects (Wilba turns into Werewilba for example), wouldn't that mean that the Alter is also in all worlds? Yes, but what i meant was that altar deosnt control the aporcalypse clock and it effects 3 hours ago, MagicalStorm said: And if thats the case, what happens to the Alter when the aporkalypse starts? Is the Alter overtaken by another entity? With the change of management being signalized by a red color? I think somehow the shadows get somewhat "control" over altar, since herald comes out as the sign of aporcalypse. And spawns mostly shadow type things. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135144-unexplained-dst-stuffrelics-of-the-past/#findComment-1511411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrowick Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 hour ago, GetNerfedOn said: it cant be... were they his first bone bouillon victims?! noooooooooooo Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135144-unexplained-dst-stuffrelics-of-the-past/#findComment-1511428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pop Guy Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 10 hours ago, Szczuku said: -Birds. Ever since ds birds have been teased to be something mysterious. Woodie hates all birds and Maxwell explained that he doesn't recognize most of them/doesn't know how they got here. Klei never made any move to try and expand that plot. They even attempted to brush it off by showing 2 crows get sucked into the Constant with Wes. Still, Wagstaff comments that the birds we see are not actually birds Two hypotheses: birds nest on the moon OR they are able to travel in space and time, like Wortox. 10 hours ago, Szczuku said: -'Moon''s abilities. So Alter, one of Them, what can it do? Well, most of what we do know makes sense. Some things however... Pig/Merm heads open their eyes durring the full moon. When you hammer them they drop nightmare fuel. That must be just outdated, it makes no sense. If they did that durring the new moon, sure, but durring full moon? Outdated for sure Petrifying. Around the moon stone we can find petrified remains of: flowers, birds, spiders, koalefants and rabbits. Any reason for that? Like, I get hounds and werepigs; they're wolf-related. Does that occur durring the process of creating Moon Caller's Staff or could Alter petrify anything, for example, durring the Moonstorm? Maybe Alter is "newborn" and the manifestation of his powers is as inconsistent as the actions of a child. Perhaps the Constant itself is but the manifestation of his dreams, and if he wakes up it will be destroyed. Ah no, that's not the case. 10 hours ago, Szczuku said: -Ancients' appearance. [...] I have never well understood the biology of the ancients. They are probably alien to us humans, and we don't have adequate tools to understand their insane anatomy. 10 hours ago, Szczuku said: -Clockworks. The Knight, the Bishop and the Rook. The ones on the surface have been created by Maxwell, that makes sense. The ones undergound however... while examining the fountain of knowledge Maxwell states that he 'must've misinterpreted the design' hinting that the Ancients never acually made clockworks, or at least not the Bishop. So what are their broken versions doing scattered all over the ruins? Winona was investigating government-built androids as experimental weapons. I don't really know what to think of them, they are definitely the most mysterious element in Don't Starve. 10 hours ago, Szczuku said: -Ancient Guardian. I mean... come on, this guy is nothing but outdated. What does Maxwell mean by calling him an 'old friend'? It'd be nice to learn something interesting regarding Maxwell's reign instead of the 'Oohh I cannot finish sentences. I didn't know this and that. What are They anyway'-stuff we've been getting recently The ancient guardian was once a being of sublime intelligence. The war against "THEM" however fragmented his brain, making him blind and idiotic. Now he can only run aimlessly in a dark and dirty den, as bare as his mind. 10 hours ago, Szczuku said: -Obelisks. They can be found in the Adventure mode, in the Atrium and around the Pig King. What are those things? Are they something man-made or a product of shadow magic? After all Mr. Skitts is the one who raises/lowers them. Even before the first intelligent ape walked upright, when the Earth was still a long way from hosting Homo Sapiens, the Constant was already home to intelligent civilizations. They, aware of being observed by "THEM" (or perhaps created by "THEM" out of boredom or by mistake) began to worship their silent overlords with black obelisks of an indestructible material, made of the raw entropy of the universe. Now that those civilizations have long been nothing but dust, those obelisks are all that remain. Eternals. Inscrutables. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135144-unexplained-dst-stuffrelics-of-the-past/#findComment-1511437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Variant Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 15 hours ago, Szczuku said: -Ancients' appearance. The Metheus murals make a clear distinction between the way Ancients looked like before and after the fuel. Before the fuel they looked like... well a shrimp bug-people. Something simmilar to the Mage statue but it's probably safe to assume that the Ancient Statues are outdated. After the fuel they lost their heads, gained that giant, gaping mouth on their stomach and underwent some color changes, a look potrayed by the Ancient Statues found in the Atrium. That lore was all good and dandy untill Klei introduced the Ancient Archive, a place where Ancients lived while still relying on lunar magic. There we can find Ancient Moon Statues, which potray Ancients as their post-nightmare fuel selves. So... was that an oopsie on Klei's part or what? The ancients have looked like the Shrimp/Bug people from the beginning. Their appearance after the overdose of the Fuel is... well, nothing. This is where the Shadows properly come into play. The statues in the Archives are identical to the decayed/grown over statues in the Atrium, both of which show their proper appearance. The outdated statues are the originals, the floating human-like head and the one with the human-like face. Maybe they're supposed to be abstract representations of themselves that happen to look human-ish, but there's not a lot known about them. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135144-unexplained-dst-stuffrelics-of-the-past/#findComment-1511494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike23Ua Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Okay so I have the official lore of what really happened to Billy & Mumsy- they actually DID follow back through the portal but we’re spit out of return of thems ocean, neither of them could swim so they both drowned. There’s no need to explore that lore point any further. (also I’m pretty sure a lot of this outdated stuff is never going to be updated so we only have our own head canons to go on.) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135144-unexplained-dst-stuffrelics-of-the-past/#findComment-1511499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rellimarual Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 I’ve always hoped that the bird stuff is a reference to an obscure movie from 1980 called The Falls. It was directed by Peter Greenaway, who is best known for The Cook, The Thief, His Wife and Her Lover. It’s a mockumentary about the aftermath of something called the Violent Unknown Event, or V.U.E., which many people blame on “the birds.” Check out the Wikipedia entry—it’s wacky. It would make me so happy if someone at Klei were a Greenaway fan. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135144-unexplained-dst-stuffrelics-of-the-past/#findComment-1511510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassielu Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 18 hours ago, Cheggf said: Why do you need everything spelled out for you? Speculating is fun and there's plenty of games with unambiguous events if dislike the way Don't Starve tells its story. Don't starve showcases its lore in small details, but if there are plenty of omissions in the game at the same time, they dilute the meaningful ones. This is detrimental to the fun of speculating. Think about it if every time you found a suspicious lead, you had to think is this a hint of something I don't know about, or is this just another developer oversight? I mean, I wish there was an explanation for these things that we don't know yet, but if they were developer omissions, it's best that developers go back and fix them. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135144-unexplained-dst-stuffrelics-of-the-past/#findComment-1511535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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