DS solo is better than together?

[Bugsworth]

This is just my thoughts and opinions on DST. Not really fact, though I will bring up stuff that is fact. 

 

I think that DS has better game design than DST, here's why. In solo, I've never been bored, I've always found something to do and play around with, unlike DST where I usually can't play past day 100. In DST I always lose the will to play my world because I ran out of things to do, I killed all the bosses, made a base that can sustain me, I'm invincible and nothing can stop me. In solo this has never happened, I always am exploring my world more, expanding my base, but also still having problems to solve. 

I think I know why, it's because in DST there are clear objectives while in DS there are none. In DST there are raid bosses, area's and things that after playing the game once you know to do (for example, pearls quest). DS there are no bosses and no objectives, not even ones you can know about after playing the game through, there's only surviving. In DS there are always seasonal bosses that will attack and kill you if not prepared, you can't force them, you can't stop them and you can prepare, but it's not an objective because it will always happen. In DST there are seasonal bosses, but there are less and some are an objective (antlion or moose goose). 

Unlike DS, because DST has these clear goals to do, you can play more efficient/faster than other ways, and there is a point (celestial champion crown giving infinite light and sanity). You can make the argument that you can just not do these tasks, but even if you do that it can limit you and the goals are still there. In DST I have been able to go past day 100, but its always ended as soon as I can't do any more stuff because of the limit that is set in DST.

Okay, so I'll basically just make what I said shorter, DS is better because there's nothing objectively better, in DST there is. In fact, one of the things that happened at the start of DS was quests, but as soon as the players completed these objectives, they stopped playing the game because they had nothing left to do. Later in development they were removed and it made don't starve more successful. That's about all I have to say, I could have made it longer, but I don't really want to. I do wanna clarify that I'm saying DS is better designed than DST, not necessarily more fun. I know a few people who find DST more fun because you can play with friends, but agrees that DS has a better design for the reasons I just said. I added a poll to see what anyone reading this thinks.

[Hornete]

neither is better than the other, both are unique and different experiences to me.

[Cheggf]

They're both great. I like hopping between the different worlds in DSA, while DST has better fights.

[HowlVoid]

I like that they're both in a good spot where they each offer a unique experience from each other. 

[Frosty_Mentos]

Honestly both are pretty great, though my heart's right now with DST over DS. I like more relaxed megabasing with survival aspects while to difference that DS has to it - I miss a good adventure exploring different worlds.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

Both are worth and very fun (ds has a lot of mechanics and stuff that dst cant offer)  but dst has a lot of qol, skins to decorate and way less bugs

[Capybara007]

Objectively the objetives system that dst has such as killing this raid boss work better and the players find it fun.

[Baark0]

DS way less polished but that's because it hasn't gotten an update in like 3 years lol. The ruins are significantly better and more enjoyable to explore, but that's about the only reason I play RoG. The DLCs can be fun, but I have a hard time getting into them.

[Mike23Ua]

I think you and I may have played two completely different games: DS actually DOES have objectives in fact it has a 5 world campaign of wacky objectives..

DST is the sandbox where what you choose to do is entirely up to you.

I feel like DS Single Player is fun only if you want to go play DLC worlds ONLY, because DST has made playing solo DS for its vanilla gameplay or RoG expansion redundant.

The ONLY thing I even fire up solo DS for over DST is to play as characters or enjoy content that’s not yet in DST.. or for the time being- to be able to PAUSE the game, praise the heavens Klei is adding a pause to DST soon..

But when the DLCs I bought finally ever become compatible with DST and I can visit Hamlet biomes as Shipwreckeds Walani- That’s when DS is only good to play if I care to go back and play characters the way they played BEFORE they got their reworks.

but I’m pretty sure most no-one wants to play characters in their Pre-rework state, because the reworks made them more exciting.

Plus I’ve spent a lot of money on skins, and I enjoy the clothing/belonging skins that DS Solo will never have.

Not to mention DST improves on things like animals in inventory dying of starvation instead of lasting forever, or thermal stones having a durability instead of being infinite durability.

So DST > DS

But DS SW+Ham has harder content and gameplay mechanics even after 3 years of content updates DST does not have & I will probably be begging Klei to port over into dst till the day I actually die in real life. (new weather seasons, poison bleed out effect, RNG mob encounters etc..)

But.. Shipwrecked+Hamlet > DST

[Dr. Safety]

I've become so used to the health scaled in DST, that I am surprised to see big DS bosses with health similar to that of a clockwork knight in DST. Warly sucks cheeks in DS though so DST all the way 

[. . .]

The only thing DS is better at than DST is it has 2 big DLC packs which change the whole game's style, you can play in your worlds with your DLC while offline, and it's always super smooth 60fps and not stuttery with slight delay lag when you have caves on your world like in DST.

Other than that DST is superior in everything

[Mysterious box]

Personally I feel like dst is being held back from evolving due to trying to make it more accessible for everyone it feels like the main island isn't allowed to grow while character's individual powers are beginning to go thru the roof far surpassing even end game items as the standard making it feel more reasonable to ignore ocean and cave content most of the time and making the surface feel like a wasteland.

1 minute ago, . . . said:

The only thing DS is better at than DST is it has 2 big DLC packs which change the whole game's style, you can play in your worlds with your DLC while offline, and it's always super smooth 60fps and not stuttery with slight delay lag when you have caves on your world like in DST.

Other than that DST is superior in everything

Don't starve has more interesting items and content but dst has more interesting(and far more powerful) characters.

[Lokena]

The only thing that disappoints me is that the single DS is not updated. And I'm not even talking so much about content as about bugs. But the content too - there is obviously more of it in the DST and it's constantly being added, whereas the DS... forgotten. But other than that, I love both versions and don't think one is better than the other. Although as a solo player who is used to DST, the bosses in DS seem a little too simple. 2000 health is no longer impressive, haha. But there are much more mechanics associated with the weather and unique seasons. For example, hurricanes, flooding, fog, volcanic eruption, poisonous jungles - all these are the features of the environment that made a necessarity really prepare for them. In the DST, only heat and cold remained. Although I'm not really sure how well such extreme seasonal changes would fit into multiplayer, but having at least separate biomes that would have them would be nice. However, I don't agree that DS is longer because of this - it's not. At least not for me. In Hamlet, the standard year lasts only 30 days, 10 days per season, the map is absolutely tiny and there very quickly ends things to do. In this regard, Shipwreck is better, but even there, after the first year, it is quite easy to build a base that would protect against everything. In the DST, I stayed not for 200-300 days, but for thousands, which speaks for itself. But this doesn't mean that I don't like the single DS. I just would like to add some content from the DS to the DST (which they are already doing a little), and at least partial updates of the characters from the DST to the DS. Wendy in single player is still terrible. If they made a big update of the entire single-player game, making corrections and fixes from the DST there, it would be very, very cool. But Klei don't really like to go back to old things.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

1 minute ago, Lokena said:

Although as a solo player who is used to DST, the bosses in DS seem a little too simple. 2000 health is no longer impressive, haha

The good part is that, if you play on pc, you dont even need to know modding to change that numbers

I change mine so seasonal bosses are similar to dst one and optional bosses with many hp so i need to actually prepare the fight

[Lokena]

2 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

The good part is that, if you play on pc, you dont even need to know modding to change that numbers

I change mine so seasonal bosses are similar to dst one and optional bosses with many hp so i need to actually prepare the fight

Wait, really? I am a teapot in everything that concerns the code, but if you give me instructions on where and how to get in so as not to break anything, I will be very grateful.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

18 minutes ago, Lokena said:

Wait, really? I am a teapot in everything that concerns the code, but if you give me instructions on where and how to get in so as not to break anything, I will be very grateful.

Im not at home right now but i can explain you when i come back. DM me if i dont answere in few hours, i might forget it 

[Well-met]

ds1's lack of action cancel is enough to turn me off completely and permanently

[Keller Max]

I really love the RWYS update, so I will never go back to DS

[Szczuku]

Dst is better than ds because, unlike singleplayer, it constantly receives updates, hotfixes and has refreshed outdated characters/mechanics. Dst is more enjoyable to play if you want a more balanced game, where you can still enjoy a single world even if you hit 1000 days on it. Singleplayer does have its 3 dlcs which bring more diverity and content but creating a full on 3 dlc megabase is kinda tedious. Not to mention that you'll most likely encounter a bug that will delete your world

However ds is better at having a spooky/creepy vibe and ambiance. It doesn't have unnecessarily happy music, super food sources and catering to multiplayer. You actually feel like you're all alone in fantasy wilderness. And it has the tim burtoesque aesthetic, unlike dst

[Horsheen]

Both of them are great, I just vastly prefer DST since I never enjoyed playing it by myself

[ArubaroBeefalo]

4 hours ago, Lokena said:

Wait, really? I am a teapot in everything that concerns the code, but if you give me instructions on where and how to get in so as not to break anything, I will be very grateful.

okey, i will try to explain it very simple

the spoiler contains a lot of screen shoots

Spoiler

here you have 1 folder per dlc you have bough so you have to choose which dlc do you wanna edit. For some reason there is stuff from previous dlcs inside of other dlc like you can find RoG mobs in hamlets folder so idk what happens if you dont edit both

tunning.lua has most of the items and mobs so you wanna open this one for edit bosses, items or mobs

you can use ctrl+F to open the search box to make looking for something easier. Take in count that you need to know the prefab name of the item. For example, star caller staff is named in the code as yellowstaff. The wiki can be very helpful to see what prefab has the item or mob you are looking for

now just edit the stats that you wish, like you can reduce his damage or increase their hp. Sometimes you will see that instead of a number it will be like bearger_health= deerclops.health or something like that. Just ignore it, is the way devs has to dont repeat numbers if they know the boss will have some value the same as other boss, just write your number wished for their damage, health, speed or whatever

Your question come in handy since i format the computer while ago and forget to re edit all the stuff thing that you need to take in count everytime you reinstall the game. Making a mode solves this issue but i just write in a note what lines of code i edited so i can easily edit them when i reinstall the game

with recipes.lua you can edit the recipes from the items if you wish to change something like campfires using feathers instead of logs or whatever

preparedfoods.lua has all the values of the crockpot foods

 

 

 

[lakhnish]

The problem with single-player Don't Starve for me personally is that after I've survived a year in any of the DLCs, the survival adventure run is over and the only thing left for me to do is base build. I've also done a world where I world-hopped a ton and it made the unique challenges that each DLC had kind of moot since the other DLC's had easier solutions to the problems each DLC presented.

The raid bosses in DST serve as a nice break in between building a base (and are more often then not my main goal in any world) so I just don't play DS for that reason anymore.

I also don't like the DS ruins. I think the way the rooms of the ruins are just designed better in DST. In DS, the statues and clockworks feel really spread apart while in DST, they have some sort of structure to it's generation. The nightmare cycle is also way too quick in DS and your main option is to run from the nightmares instead of fighting them. Not only that, Star Callers are terrible in the base game but are an absolutely amazing item to have in DST.

DST also just becomes more stable and refined as time goes on, with a ton more survival-adventure oriented content to come, so that's why I prefer DST over DS. DS ain't bad and has it's purpose, but DST is just where it's at for me.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

1 minute ago, lakhnish said:

The nightmare cycle is also way too quick in DS and your main option is to run from the nightmares instead of fighting them.

and gives an absurd amount of nightmere fuel for just running a minute...

 

[xhyom]

4 minutes ago, lakhnish said:

The problem with single-player Don't Starve for me personally is that after I've survived a year in any of the DLCs, the survival adventure run is over and the only thing left for me to do is base build.

Ah yeah, i feel the same way, i played recently Hamlet and the experience of exploring completely new environments was amazing, but when I set up my base and got some berries and more pigs and shops there was nothing for me to worry about, I could just stand still and buy everything I needed. But i guess it's intended to be like this, I mean, just an one way experience without any concern for replayability.

[lakhnish]

23 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

and gives an absurd amount of nightmere fuel for just running a minute...

 

Then I have to run around again like 2 minutes afterwords xD

With dst, I can at least push through the rooms while acquring fuel at the same time. In DS, I just munch coffee and run around to figure out where the stuff I want is and then I mine the stuff.