minespatch Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Just now, LinknAllie said: Maxwell is the one narrating it? Yeah, Emmet is the voice of Maxwell. He's also featured towards the end of the short, so heavy implication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinknAllie Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, minespatch said: Yeah, Emmet is the voice of Maxwell. He's also featured towards the end of the short, so heavy implication. Well answering your question, I think he sounds sad/mournful because he always felt bad for the children that suffered. At least in DST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a bin of cake Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 1 minute ago, minespatch said: Yeah, Emmet is the voice of Maxwell. He's also featured towards the end of the short, so heavy implication. I thought a pump organ was the voice of Maxwell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinancoTheBest Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 7 minutes ago, LinknAllie said: Maxwell is the one narrating it? He sounds much lighter in Webber's short to me but it's definitely the same voice as Maxwell in the Inevitable short. (1) Don’t Starve Tales: Inevitable (Musical) - YouTube Wonder if he has any relation to the narrator of the Wortox' short. 4 hours ago, Slagger said: Maxwell is a true his word person He's like those genie wishes that are literal to the fault that you end up regretting your wish. We don't know what was the true wording of Maxwell but he might have offered him something along the lines of "A solution to your predicament lies within this realm" or more morbidly "I can help stop your existence as a monster" and leaving him to die and burying him in the constant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dextops Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Just-guy said: Someone on Tumblr noticed this, the spider probably still remembers Wagstaff i also remembered this and theorized that it was actually webbers human side since now we have a reason wagstaff caused his lonliness and the fact wagstaff is part of the reason webbers dad ignored him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyistheGround Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Dextops said: i also remembered this and theorized that it was actually webbers human side since now we have a reason wagstaff caused his lonliness and the fact wagstaff is part of the reason webbers dad ignored him i dont know if the kid remembers wagstaff. he didnt have a beard or mustache in the short, and its possible that the kid just... forgot, thinking wagstaff was just some guy that gave something to his dad before leaving. you dont often remember the face of someone you buy things from, much less so if you're just watching the transaction also the kid didnt blame wagstaff, he blamed the machine (device... thing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dextops Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Just now, SkyistheGround said: i dont know if the kid remembers wagstaff. he didnt have a beard or mustache in the short, and its possible that the kid just... forgot, thinking wagstaff was just some guy that gave something to his dad before leaving and the spider does? Just now, SkyistheGround said: also the kid didnt blame wagstaff, he blamed the machine (device... thing) and what sketchy old man gave his dad that machine what sketchy man are we suspicious of only to see him in front of our phase asking for our help would we trust him or have any doubts for the person who jumpstarted the reason why are we are in our own personal hell? yes for both parts of webby boy it makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyistheGround Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 51 minutes ago, Dextops said: and the spider does? and what sketchy old man gave his dad that machine what sketchy man are we suspicious of only to see him in front of our phase asking for our help would we trust him or have any doubts for the person who jumpstarted the reason why are we are in our own personal hell? yes for both parts of webby boy it makes sense i'm not the speaker of constant spider intellegence but there are animals (such as crows) that can recognize the faces of their captors, even years after they were initially captured. that's why i think it's possible for the spider to remember and since you glossed over most of what i said about the kid's memory, i won't continue getting into that, but if you look at other webber quotes where he mentions both the kid and the spider, the kid often uses "i" and "me" pronouns while the spider is simply "he" ex. froggle bunwich quote "sandwich for me and frog legs for him" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a bin of cake Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 Spoiler 7 hours ago, Dextops said: i also remembered this and theorized that it was actually webbers human side since now we have a reason wagstaff caused his lonliness and the fact wagstaff is part of the reason webbers dad ignored him 6 hours ago, SkyistheGround said: and since you glossed over most of what i said about the kid's memory, i won't continue getting into that, but if you look at other webber quotes where he mentions both the kid and the spider, the kid often uses "i" and "me" pronouns while the spider is simply "he" ex. froggle bunwich quote "sandwich for me and frog legs for him" I'll also just mention that generally, though human children know how to speak in a human language like English... I don't think spiders from the Constant have really shown to exercise that ability thus far. It makes more sense that Webber's human side is the one communicating his own and the spider's thoughts using his words. If the "I" was referring to the spider, well... I don't think we'd be hearing "I", "we", and "he" as much as snarls, growls, and spidery battlecries. ___ But what I do find cool is that Webber basically is able to translate the thoughts of his spider side into words, though. And even though they are fused together as one, they still are two separate minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fridgetty Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 if it was indeed a teleporter that a spider happened to be teleported to, why was it small ? Was the said teleporter a beta for the upcoming big one ? If so how would they verify that the objects they sent to the set destination of the teleporter successfully went through? I think the spider accidentally went through wagstaff"s work-in-progress. Astonished by what he saw, wagstaff tried to cage the wild animal but failed due to the spider destroying it, hence spiders being able to destroy fences\walls ingame. He then encage it with a cage made out of thick glass since i doubt a spider with puny legs can beat the crap out of a glass as thick as a macbook, and sent it to webber's dad who clearly has an interest in insects and arachnids. Spoiler So sorry if you got confused or had stroke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMeatGoy Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 I don't think it was a teleporter. Webber's dad was clearly some form of entomologist judging by his study room. It would make perfect sense for him to be brought a live specimen in some sort of glass container. I don't even see why it being a teleporter is in question, especially when you have to jump through hoops to explain why and how a spider conveniently came out of the teleporter the same time it was broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooagain Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 9 hours ago, fierysage1 said: It makes more sense that Webber's human side is the one communicating his own and the spider's thoughts using his words. If the "I" was referring to the spider, well... I don't think we'd be hearing "I", "we", and "he" as much as snarls, growls, and spidery battlecries. For this quote to make sense, either the spider knows how to read or it can speak english. Also the myriad of times Webber says contradictory statements that only make sense if some of them are the spider and some are the human, like when he talks about his favorite colour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowDuelist Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 16 minutes ago, SuperMeatGoy said: I don't think it was a teleporter. Webber's dad was clearly some form of entomologist judging by his study room. It would make perfect sense for him to be brought a live specimen in some sort of glass container. I don't even see why it being a teleporter is in question, especially when you have to jump through hoops to explain why and how a spider conveniently came out of the teleporter the same time it was broken. This. As it was pointed out perhaps the cage is sort of like a “faraday cage” but not just to contain the specimen but to keep it alive. Sort of like a dimensional fish tank. The spider is from another dimension, let’s say wagstaff teleported creatures to this world, but the time flow of our universe, being so different to the constant, makes them age incredibly fast and die within a few days. So he figured an electronic device to keep it alive for longer and took it to an entomologist for further studies (Particularly someone eccentric enough who is not afraid to work in the very limits of science, as seen that he has an alchemy station). When Webber broke the container he probably not only set the specimen free, but also contaminated the spider with the cage’s mysterious containment energy, which may or may not have helped the fusion of both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyistheGround Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 15 minutes ago, Mooagain said: For this quote to make sense, either the spider knows how to read or it can speak english. Also the myriad of times Webber says contradictory statements that only make sense if some of them are the spider and some are the human, like when he talks about his favorite colour. the favorite color bit was confirmed by the devs to have been because webber likes all the colors as for reading, @fierysage1 mentioned how it's possible the boy could've learned to translate spider thoughts into english, so could the reverse be true as well? or both of them could've learned their respective languages as part of them learning to exist together, and the spider just happens to be an better english reader than the kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alarsin Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 1 hour ago, SuperMeatGoy said: I don't think it was a teleporter. Webber's dad was clearly some form of entomologist judging by his study room. It would make perfect sense for him to be brought a live specimen in some sort of glass container. I don't even see why it being a teleporter is in question, especially when you have to jump through hoops to explain why and how a spider conveniently came out of the teleporter the same time it was broken. The reason it's in question is because we see some sort of purple magic lightning around the spider, similar to the design of the telelocator staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim S. Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 57 minutes ago, Mooagain said: For this quote to make sense, either the spider knows how to read or it can speak english. Also the myriad of times Webber says contradictory statements that only make sense if some of them are the spider and some are the human, like when he talks about his favorite colour. "Stale like mum's leftovers." - Webber, eating stale food Curious and relevant to the discussion. I always thought that was the spider speaking (or Webber somehow retains spider-memory?). Also: Glowcap (on)- "We love all the colors!" - Webber, exam. activated Glowcap "Our favorite color! Red!" - Webber, exam. Red Spore "Red is my favorite color!" - Webber, exam. Redbird "Blue! That's our favorite color!" - Webber, exam. Blue Spore "That's green, our favoritest color!" - Webber, exam. Green Spore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim S. Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 6 hours ago, SuperMeatGoy said: I don't think it was a teleporter. Webber's dad was clearly some form of entomologist judging by his study room. It would make perfect sense for him to be brought a live specimen in some sort of glass container. I don't even see why it being a teleporter is in question, especially when you have to jump through hoops to explain why and how a spider conveniently came out of the teleporter the same time it was broken. I'm absolutely with SMG here. I don't think it's a teleporter for these reasons exactly. Hooooowever: Assuming it is a teleporter, a portal or a device that somehow relates to teleportation/interdimensional rifts, we can jump to wild conclusions! Electrostatic energy seems to play a huge part in the recent Moonstorm update, especially regarding whatever Wagstaff is doing. Some theorize that the huge chunk of moon-storm energy (that Wagstaff snatched away from the Guardians leftovers) will relate to or even power the ominous Sealed Portal in the Ancient Archive. Furthermore, electrostatic energy is often related to teleportation and dimensional travel. 1: Telebrella & Telipad "The receiver pad for my short range teleportation device." - Wafstaff, exam. Telipad "A short-range, aerial teleportation antenna in convenient-to-carry umbrella form." - Wagstaff, exam. Telebrella 2: Electric Isosceles "A stimulating device. Does it work on electrostatic energy?" - Wagstaff, exam. Electric Isosceles Notice the weird "transmission-stripes" in both the Isosceles and Wagstaff's appearance. Maybe there's a relation? 3: Wagstaff's Portal Unlike many other portals in DST, Wagstaff's portal appears to be electrically powered, much like his Telebrella. What got me thinking are these quotes: "Quite similar to my Telebrella but it uses that fascinating dark fuel!" - Wagstaff, exam. Lazy Explorer "Another innovation that runs on dark fuel!" - Wagstaff, exam. Skyworthy (Hamlet Worlds) "I must learn how to harness the dark fuel into a teleportation device!" - Wagstaff, exam. Skyworthy (Non-Hamlet Worlds) "I've found it! The portal that can link worlds! The throne of ultimate power!!" - Wagstaff, exam. Nightmare Throne So assuming that Webber's Short happens after Wagstaff's adventure (and him canonically taking the Nightmare Throne), what if that's "I must learn how to harness the dark fuel into a teleportation device!" exactly what he did? These shadow-lightning-things are new and weird. Maybe Wagstaff found a way to somehow combine his electric inventions with the power of the Nightmare Throne and Nightmare Fuel! That in turn could have been the necessary step for him to transport things back into the real world (which according his quote, he couldn't do before). Not to say that the spider cage was a teleporter, but judging by the lightning strikes and the battery it was connected to, some portal-technology might have been involved! 6 hours ago, ShadowDuelist said: The spider is from another dimension, let’s say wagstaff teleported creatures to this world, but the time flow of our universe, being so different to the constant, makes them age incredibly fast and die within a few days. So he figured an electronic device to keep it alive for longer and took it to an entomologist for further studies (Particularly someone eccentric enough who is not afraid to work in the very limits of science, as seen that he has an alchemy station). When Webber broke the container he probably not only set the specimen free, but also contaminated the spider with the cage’s mysterious containment energy, which may or may not have helped the fusion of both. Pretty much this is how I imagine it, neat idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a bin of cake Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 5 hours ago, ShadowDuelist said: The spider is from another dimension, let’s say wagstaff teleported creatures to this world, but the time flow of our universe, being so different to the constant, makes them age incredibly fast and die within a few days. So he figured an electronic device to keep it alive for longer and took it to an entomologist for further studies (Particularly someone eccentric enough who is not afraid to work in the very limits of science, as seen that he has an alchemy station). When Webber broke the container he probably not only set the specimen free, but also contaminated the spider with the cage’s mysterious containment energy, which may or may not have helped the fusion of both This sounds like one of the best theories to me thus far, since I definitely don't believe that the cage was a teleporter either. Said "electronic device" used to keep the spider alive would be this thing, right? Spoiler Wonder how it works? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minespatch Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 10 hours ago, SkyistheGround said: Since Webber's eyes are white, rainbows are basically white under a spectrum, then his eyes must be similar to a insect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyistheGround Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 11 minutes ago, minespatch said: Since Webber's eyes are white, rainbows are basically white under a spectrum, then his eyes must be similar to a insect? well a lot of spiders can actually see ultraviolet... which means they can see more colors than humans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falkenpelz Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 What I get from this is, Wagstaff is the new Maxwell. The shady guy, who got everyone into trouble and the potential new human villain as Maxwell has been long since revealed to be a big, long-chinned pushover (I know, we technically know this since Eye of the Storm, but shhh) I assumed, Wagstaff brought Webber's dad a Constant spider due to his interest in insects and the purple energy was somehow used in restraining it and keeping it safe in the jar. I also saw it as a joke-reference to spiderman: a spider from an experiment, radiating strange energy, mutates a dude. Sadly, Webber didn't get awesome powers, he just got discrimination and the power to grow a beard at the age of 8... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooagain Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, Falkenpelz said: What I get from this is, Wagstaff is the new Maxwell. The shady guy, who got everyone into trouble and the potential new human villain as Maxwell has been long since revealed to be a big, long-chinned pushover (I know, we technically know this since Eye of the Storm, but shhh) The funny thing about that is that Wagstaff seems to be more villainous than Maxwell. The whole time Maxwell was being manipulated by the shadows until Wilson freed him, an now he seems really regretful of everything he did. Meanwhile Wagstaff is doing all of this on purpose, outplaying the moon itself with whatever he's got planned. The question remains, is he blinded by his lust for power, or does he just not care what happens to the people around him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minespatch Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 4 minutes ago, Mooagain said: The question remains, is he blinded by his lust for power, or does he just not care what happens to the people around him? I'd love a short or comic just to see how Maxwell thinks of Wagstaff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falkenpelz Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 13 minutes ago, Mooagain said: The funny thing about that is that Wagstaff seems to be more villainous than Maxwell. The whole time Maxwell was being manipulated by the shadows until Wilson freed him, an now he seems really regretful of everything he did. Meanwhile Wagstaff is doing all of this on purpose, outplaying the moon itself with whatever he's got planned. The question remains, is he blinded by his lust for power, or does he just not care what happens to the people around him? I think, he might be looking for something like the ultimate powersource. He already investigated nightmarefuel but that wasn't enough for him, so now he's aiming for the moon too. I wonder if he might be looking for a way to fuse these oppositional powers somehow. And as we can see in the Willow short and the Winona short, shadows are already leaking into the human world: Since Wagstaff has a newspaper article about shadow monsters in his workshop, Willow's terrorbeak might have been actually real. The question is, did Maxwell let them in or were they there before and if the last one is the case, has Wagstaff something to do with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a bin of cake Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, Falkenpelz said: The question is, did Maxwell let them in or were they there before and if the last one is the case, has Wagstaff something to do with it? Pretty sure Maxwell let the shadows in back before he became king of the Constant. I can't find an actual image of the puzzle right now, so here's a screenshot of the wiki for now: This is on the 5th William Carter puzzle, which shows a journal page indicating that Maxwell indeed summoned a Terrorbeak from the Codex Umbra during one of his rituals. It's definitely possible that the Terrorbeak didn't simply "shiver out of existence" as Maxwell thought, but rather teleported away (I mean, Terrorbeaks can teleport in-game, and with teleportation, you do just disappear from where you started). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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