lunazone Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 The recent change to make ores freeze to tiles is a bit tedious to deal with since when you try to sweep ice in a close shave enviroment the ice will keep going from ice debris to water to ice ore, and when you try to mop the water it turns back into ore which can make buildings stop working. It's very hard to remove these bits of ice. Also when you mine these new ore they lose half their mass. It also can cause weirdness where a duplicant will mop the same spot forever when the water they mop freezes and turns into liquid rapidly. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/130324-new-ore-freezing-to-tile-mechanic-tedious/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hokaeru Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 Rime just went to easy mode to less-easy. I think it means we have to be a little bit more careful with temperature management below fusion temperature. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/130324-new-ore-freezing-to-tile-mechanic-tedious/#findComment-1464024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sakura_sk Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 Did they remove the +/- 5 degrees for state change? (at least I think it was 5 for water, meaning: turning to steam at ~104C instead of 99C vaporization point and freezing at ~5C instead of 0C) I know there were cases when making a petroleum or sour gas boiler, where you needed to counter the temperature loss when turning from one element to the other Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/130324-new-ore-freezing-to-tile-mechanic-tedious/#findComment-1464029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tytan Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 I understand the questioning he wanted something he did, and he didn't have to be monitoring something automatically but ... for that there are sensors for this type of micro management, besides that there is the Robo-Miner is there to help you think also on the positive side, this mechanism can be used for other purposes Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/130324-new-ore-freezing-to-tile-mechanic-tedious/#findComment-1464033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electroely Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 52 minutes ago, Tytan said: I understand the questioning he wanted something he did, and he didn't have to be monitoring something automatically but ... for that there are sensors for this type of micro management, besides that there is the Robo-Miner is there to help you think also on the positive side, this mechanism can be used for other purposes This seems like a bug. Not only does it happen when mopping liquids, it also happens to the liquid content of some buildings. I had to build a robo-miner next to my electrolyzers and sludge press because they kept getting solid tiles entombing them. That also wasted a significant amount of water. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/130324-new-ore-freezing-to-tile-mechanic-tedious/#findComment-1464041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yunru Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 17 minutes ago, Electroely said: This seems like a bug. Not a bug. They added it so that liquids in containers - including bottles - can now freeze and boil. And as per the norm, if a liquid above a certain mass freezes, it forms a tile. The repeated freezing and melting sounds like they forgot to add tolerance thresholds though. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/130324-new-ore-freezing-to-tile-mechanic-tedious/#findComment-1464042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electroely Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 28 minutes ago, Yunru said: Not a bug. They added it so that liquids in containers - including bottles - can now freeze and boil. And as per the norm, if a liquid above a certain mass freezes, it forms a tile. The repeated freezing and melting sounds like they forgot to add tolerance thresholds though. I've had tiles form out of around 60 grams of liquid, that's the part that seems bugged to me. That same mass would normally freeze into debris rather than a tile, no? Not to mention how frustrating it is having machines constantly entomb themselves in the first place. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/130324-new-ore-freezing-to-tile-mechanic-tedious/#findComment-1464048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghkbrew Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Electroely said: I've had tiles form out of around 60 grams of liquid, that's the part that seems bugged to me. That same mass would normally freeze into debris rather than a tile, no? So this is the real bug here. When bottled liquids freeze they don't respect the mass cutoff for transforming into debris vs tiles. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/130324-new-ore-freezing-to-tile-mechanic-tedious/#findComment-1464062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fritozipper Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 I just figured the dupes got those expensive vacuum insulated water bottles previously... I don't like this change. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/130324-new-ore-freezing-to-tile-mechanic-tedious/#findComment-1464121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yobbo Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 Hmm, does this mean i can now trivially make natural farm tiles just by leaving bottles of liquid sulfur lying around? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/130324-new-ore-freezing-to-tile-mechanic-tedious/#findComment-1464143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnankie Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 I've had some issues with gulp fish getting frozen into blocks from their own outputted fresh water. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/130324-new-ore-freezing-to-tile-mechanic-tedious/#findComment-1464148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunazone Posted May 27, 2021 Author Share Posted May 27, 2021 6 hours ago, ghkbrew said: So this is the real bug here. When bottled liquids freeze they don't respect the mass cutoff for transforming into debris vs tiles. I like tiles forming from freezing, but making it so they had a mass cutoff would be really nice. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/130324-new-ore-freezing-to-tile-mechanic-tedious/#findComment-1464151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
babba Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 39 minutes ago, tnankie said: I've had some issues with gulp fish getting frozen into blocks from their own outputted fresh water. Hihi http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20160308-how-one-squirrel-manages-to-survive-being-frozen The fish need antifreeze ! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergolic_propellant Please please Klei, more rocket fuel types...Many thanks Rocket Candy can be added to the fish feeder, to maintain emergency fish temperature ? Maybe rocket candy lollies can also be licked by dupes ? The licking animations in the game look very nice. Triple Dupe screenshot from mighty @minespatch Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/130324-new-ore-freezing-to-tile-mechanic-tedious/#findComment-1464152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebbie Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 Is this still happening in the most recent update? The patch notes say the ore is now respecting temperature buffers, but is it respecting mass limits? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/130324-new-ore-freezing-to-tile-mechanic-tedious/#findComment-1465067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electroely Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Nebbie said: Is this still happening in the most recent update? The patch notes say the ore is now respecting temperature buffers, but is it respecting mass limits? I just had a tile of ice form at my electrolyzer today. I'm on the latest build. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/130324-new-ore-freezing-to-tile-mechanic-tedious/#findComment-1465079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hot focaccia Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 wait so now they always turn into tiles instead of debris? wait so how did it work beforehand since to me it seemed to hav eto do with mass of tile but i knwo people made 10kg ice tiles for sleet weath so i am not sure Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/130324-new-ore-freezing-to-tile-mechanic-tedious/#findComment-1465087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nakomaru Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 17 hours ago, hot focaccia said: wait so now they always turn into tiles instead of debris? wait so how did it work beforehand since to me it seemed to hav eto do with mass of tile but i knwo people made 10kg ice tiles for sleet weath so i am not sure Yes, bottled material will state change into solid tiles when frozen without respect for mass limits, which is probably a bug. Previously, bottles could not state change, but they could change temperature. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/130324-new-ore-freezing-to-tile-mechanic-tedious/#findComment-1465233 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathmanican Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 8 hours ago, nakomaru said: bottled material will state change into solid tiles when frozen without respect for mass limits Sounds like a Pip upgrade. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/130324-new-ore-freezing-to-tile-mechanic-tedious/#findComment-1465353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnankie Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 Thought I'd provide a couple of pics since my cool slush geyser is running again. Happened today, latest build (6807661). Feels a bit like a bug to me. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/130324-new-ore-freezing-to-tile-mechanic-tedious/#findComment-1466909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueberry pi Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Gulp fish store polluted water inside of them, when they transform it into water that water is stored for a while inside of them, when the water inside is enough they just let it out, when they die with water or polluted water inside they drop them in bottles. Maybe raise the temperature a bit if you can, they will still have more chances of gulp fry eggs when they are less than 5° Celsius, a bit finicky but kinda worth it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/130324-new-ore-freezing-to-tile-mechanic-tedious/#findComment-1467053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnankie Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 you are saying totally fine and expected behavior? I know how to circumvent it. That isn't really why I posted. The question isn't how to deal with it, the question is should this be happening, previously it didn't. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/130324-new-ore-freezing-to-tile-mechanic-tedious/#findComment-1467073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
psusi Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 Does this also mean that you can't put only 1 kg/s of water into a pipe, heat it above 100C, then feed it to an electrolyzer? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/130324-new-ore-freezing-to-tile-mechanic-tedious/#findComment-1469464 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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