have you defeated the "hard"bosses of DST?

[viberr 891]

heyo its your favorite schlatty boy here 

so i wanted to make this poll for a while so i made it 

first of all the word hard in the title is in air qoutes because to some people these bosses could be easy

second. one boss mentioned out of the four is an odd one out and that one boss is ancient fuelweaver(because i would guess a lot more people have defeated them)

well hope you all have a wonderful day or night wherever you are in the world.

[Hornete 6093]

Using the ice staff for Crab King is cheese ? 

[viberr 891]

3 minutes ago, Hornete said:

Using the ice staff for Crab King is cheese ? 

to some people yeah 

i just kinda wanted to see how many people defeated him without using ice staffs (i personally think using them on crab king is ok)

[Kelloggs Dogfry 235]

That’s a tough line. He technically can be solo’d without it but it’s really difficult. I’d say it’s not an egregiously cheesy thing like ancient guardian into a pillar or lure plants with fuelweaver. Especially considering he feels like a truly multiplayer boss experience (which tbh I really like and would love to see more multiplayer mechanic fights but a lot of solo players on the forums seem to complain about that). I really enjoyed 2 person crab king without ice staffs  

Edited November 19, 2020 by Kelloggs Dogfry

[ArubaroBeefalo 5858]

is using 3 hondious shotious but not volt goat jelly for misery cheesing? 

edit: i tried crab king without ice staff and is really hard (and more because i didnt knew how the healing worsk so i didnt try to use WP)

Edited November 19, 2020 by ArubaroBeefalo

[viberr 891]

9 minutes ago, Kelloggs Dogfry said:

That’s a tough line. He technically can be solo’d without it but it’s really difficult. I’d say it’s not an egregiously cheesy thing like ancient guardian into a pillar or lure plants with fuelweaver. Especially considering he feels like a truly multiplayer boss experience (which tbh I really like and would love to see more multiplayer mechanic fights but a lot of solo players on the forums seem to complain about that). I really enjoyed 2 person crab king without ice staffs  

well im glad you enjoyed him crab king. he is definitely not my favorite but im happy that you enjoy them because it means klei didn't just make a horrible boss for everyone and that some people actually like the boss

 

3 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

is using 3 hondious shotious but not volt goat jelly for misery cheesing? 

well were you still fighting misery? or did you just hide and let the 3 houndious shootious kill them?

[ArubaroBeefalo 5858]

10 minutes ago, stranger again said:

well were you still fighting misery? or did you just hide and let the 3 houndious shootious kill them?

yep, i use them to add dps to make it faster

[viberr 891]

Just now, ArubaroBeefalo said:

yep, i use them to add dps to make it faster

well then no that isn't cheesing its just extra dps

[BeeClops 663]

How are you supposed to solo Crab King without ice staves? That is more "legit"?
 

[ArubaroBeefalo 5858]

21 minutes ago, BeeClops said:

How are you supposed to solo Crab King without ice staves? That is more "legit"?
 

Row row row

[minespatch 79774]

20 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

Row row row

your boat

[Frashaw27 1294]

40 minutes ago, BeeClops said:

How are you supposed to solo Crab King without ice staves? That is more "legit"?
 

Load up the king with the pearl and blue gems, assemble as metric frickton of boat patches (maybe 100), and pray. Hope you are good with how boat repairs works because you will be fixing up the boat so much it would be like a town after a Godzilla movie. It's most certinly doable, but it is also a method that I would never recommend to anyone.

[QuartzBeam 2703]

Enraged Klaus is just Klaus cheesing the fight cause he's playing solo.

[ShadowDuelist 7602]

3 hours ago, Frashaw27 said:

Load up the king with the pearl and blue gems, assemble as metric frickton of boat patches (maybe 100), and pray.

To me this sounds like considering that the only legit way to fight bearger is tanking, or exclude the use of weather pains against fuelweaver when fighting solo. 

If I recall correctly the devs did some fine tunning about how often and when Crab King got frozen, in my opinion ice staves should be considered a valid method, and the people who considers it cheese are complicating their fight as a personal challenge or something, but it doesn't necesarily apply to everyone.

As a contrast, a simple cheese example I can think of that most of Us use (at least I do, and I don't mind) is the dfly walls method. We are supposed to deal with the lavae, fighting them or freezing them, not just glitch them with their buggy pathfinding, or lock them as they spawn. The day Klei decides to fix the mobs pathfinding, or Dfly targeting walls more often, Dragonfly will become almost an entirely new boss for most players.

To me cheesing is abusing an unintended behavior of the boss for a much easier and cheaper fight. (In some cases, not even fighting at all) . The ice staves on crab king still requires you to put up a strong fight and deal with a bunch of things. Sounds pretty fair to me.

Edited November 19, 2020 by ShadowDuelist

[PandoPon 125]

Does killing the bosses with thier health scaled to an amount of players count?

[viberr 891]

Just now, PandoPon said:

Does killing the bosses with thier health scaled to an amount of players count?

not really.the bosses are meant to have a lot of health scaling their health down is just removing the word "hard"out of "hard bosses"

so no it doesn't count

[ArubaroBeefalo 5858]

4 hours ago, Frashaw27 said:

Load up the king with the pearl and blue gems, assemble as metric frickton of boat patches (maybe 100), and pray. Hope you are good with how boat repairs works because you will be fixing up the boat so much it would be like a town after a Godzilla movie. It's most certinly doable, but it is also a method that I would never recommend to anyone.

You can also row with a malbatross peak to evade the geysers but takes forever to kill him

Edited November 19, 2020 by ArubaroBeefalo

[Well-met 4334]

icestaff isn't cheese. it literally functions as intended, designed and doesn't automatically win fights.

[viberr 891]

6 minutes ago, Well-met said:

icestaff isn't cheese. it literally functions as intended, designed and doesn't automatically win fights.

to some people using ice staff counts as a cheese.me personally i think using ice staff is okay

and to be honest i was just curious how many people have defeated crab king without using ice staves 

[ArubaroBeefalo 5858]

18 minutes ago, Well-met said:

icestaff isn't cheese. it literally functions as intended, designed and doesn't automatically win fights.

Like using mob army. Is a intended mechanic 

[Well-met 4334]

2 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

Like using mob army. Is a intended mechanic 

yes it is. It's why klei created the epic-scare ability for bosses to counter that.

bunnymen and hutches however are simply too strong and need a rebalance. That is not anybody's fault.

[mac and cheese 604]

No. 

[ArubaroBeefalo 5858]

27 minutes ago, Well-met said:

yes it is. It's why klei created the epic-scare ability for bosses to counter that.

bunnymen and hutches however are simply too strong and need a rebalance. That is not anybody's fault.

Also, there is no need of making 100 houses. I like the befriend mechanic but as a support not as afk boss farms

[Sapientis 388]

So it seems fighting Crab King single handedly, using magic weapon with its designed purpose can be considered "cheese", but this isn't?

 

[viberr 891]

3 minutes ago, Sapientis said:

So it seems fighting Crab King single handedly, using magic weapon with its designed purpose can be considered "cheese", but this isn't?

 

ummm...your guess is as good as mine