Yuuko Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Mike23Ua said: Now I am really confused as all hell, you call something useless.. I try to give it a reason to no longer be useless and then this is the kind of reply I get. No one is asking for vests to be useful. They are only pointing out that they are useless. Quote lol, Dying instantly without its use is an over exaggeration- you won’t be able to survive without it.. but you won’t just instantly croak over dead. Does it really matter if you die in 1 day or 2 if you are absolutely required to have XYZ to live? The aspect of DST I find the least enjoyable is after you've lived a few hundred days and hound waves are only a few days apart, large in number - not hard to fend off, but you have to set up tooth trap fields everywhere. Days spend setting up and resetting tooth traps. Wanna go do something fun? NOPE, wait for a hound wave first, then reset your tooth traps, THEN you can go do the part of the game you actually want to do. At least we can base in the caves... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CameoAppearance Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Mike23Ua said: But as a Snow storm on long Winter worlds, movement slowed.. vision impaired, use a Beefalo Hat, Thermal Stone, Nice warm Campfire and Vest Or well... freeze to death. Why would any of those things help you see? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
me real life Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Mike23Ua said: Now I am really confused as all hell, you call something useless.. I try to give it a reason to no longer be useless and then this is the kind of reply I get. This isn't a good way to make an item useful, though. Rather than actually buffing the item to give it better mechanics, you'd simply be making it required. This kind of attitude always reminds me of cave holes, those little holes in the ruins that have some loot stuck in the middle of them. Why do cave holes exist? Because Klei wanted the lazy forager to be used more, but instead of actually making it more useful they simply made it required for a certain task. By making a vest the only item that stops you from dying to extreme cold, you aren't making the vest any more useful, you're just making it required. Rather than actually putting in the effort to buff the item in some way, you're essentially turning it into a key that you need in order to unlock a specific keyhole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booklover Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Sunset Skye said: This isn't a good way to make an item useful, though. Rather than actually buffing the item to give it better mechanics, you'd simply be making it required. This kind of attitude always reminds me of cave holes, those little holes in the ruins that have some loot stuck in the middle of them. Why do cave holes exist? Because Klei wanted the lazy forager to be used more, but instead of actually making it more useful they simply made it required for a certain task. By making a vest the only item that stops you from dying to extreme cold, you aren't making the vest any more useful, you're just making it required. Rather than actually putting in the effort to buff the item in some way, you're essentially turning it into a key that you need in order to unlock a specific keyhole. Clap CLAP. This girl knows. Okay, instead of turning Breezy Vests into necessities, @Mike23Ua, how 'bout we give it Winter Hat level insulation? This justifies its cost and negative of removing 8 potential slots from us. You might think it still sucks, but with its sanity regen that nothing else craftable for the first Winter (unless you are lucky enough to farm and get hound's teeth for dapper vests) can give, it will be viable. Unless you base near the Desert/have a wormhole that brings you there, sanity will be a problem for you. Sure, experienced players will lament over "Insanity great" blah blah but as a newbie you will appreciate the sanity gain. For Dapper Vests, we could increase its sanity gain to Tam o' Shanter. Now before you furiously type out a paragraph about how bad it will make the Tam o' Shanter be, please keep in mind that: A Dapper Vest only gives 60 insulation and lasts for 10 days. It can't even last a Default Winter length. It also costs 8 hound's teeth and removes the use of a backpack, insulation pack, piggyback and Krampus sack. Now we look at the Tam o' Shanter. It gives 120 insulation, lasts for 25 days and has a 25% chance to drop from a Mactusk. It only removes the use of a helmet which can be easily carried around and switched on when necessary. With that, a Dapper Vest could be used for players that are unfortunate enough to not get a Tam o' Shanter in Winter or used alongside the Tam o' Shanter to boost the sanity gain to 13.2 per minute. It will still be worse than the Tam o' Shanter but still good enough that you think about making it as Wickerbottom/Wortox/sanity problematic survivors or if you don't get a Tam o' Shanter for the first Winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeatAndRun Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Bee Stinger- Yeah, I know there're several crafting recipes with stinger but.. I just feel they're useless. Everyone knows what it feels like, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LunarCat Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 unless you want your base to look nice, sculptures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeatAndRun Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 15 minutes ago, LunarCat said: unless you want your base to look nice, sculptures Well, sometimes sculptures could be used as barricades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LunarCat Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Just now, HeatAndRun said: Well, sometimes sculptures could be used as barricades. a decorative barricade* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misuto Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 58 minutes ago, LunarCat said: a decorative barricade* And also many extremely functional barricades. For most enemies in the game, statues act as indestructible walls. These are used in many late game farms, including catapult bunnymen farms, moonstone event farms, varg farms, hound killing rooms, and actual base defense. As enemies don't route around statues and simply get stuck, this means that you can actually protect small bases of important materials with statues. Here are a few examples from other people: Posted by Frank: posted by Bloodpactmermaid and Katie Elle: posted by Rob, an example of a fun glitches that statues enable: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rellimarual Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 17 hours ago, Terra M Welch said: Another item that comes to mind for me is the Bat Bat, and on the same level of "useless" as the Pick/Axe @SonicDen220 mentioned. Not since Wormwood came to town Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desblat Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 54 minutes ago, Rellimarual said: Not since Wormwood came to town moving batbat from totally useless tier into useful only for one char tier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinancoTheBest Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 30 minutes ago, Desblat said: moving batbat from totally useless tier into useful only for one char tier. I also think that the Turn of the Tides offered a small new avenue for it to shine, where I find it quite useful and helpful in the Lunar Island where the biggest negative aspect of the item, the insane sanity drain is a positive. TotT gave an even better buff to Ocuvigil imo. If this thread was made before August, I'd be the first one to point out the Ocuvigil, but now that it can be placed on boats to reveal naval discoveries to everyone present on the surface, as well as where the boat is and who are sailing with the boat at any given time, it became one of the best honorary seafaring items in my opinion. I wouldn't mind if it was moved to the seafaring tab instead, or better the lonesome cartography tab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frashaw27 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Desblat said: moving batbat from totally useless tier into useful only for one char tier. I mean Warly did that to a majority of the crockpot foods and Wurt did that to farmplots, sort of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desblat Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Btw does anyone craft honey paper healing item? Papurys in its recipe makes it way too expensive compaired to healing food that you can mass produce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 people dont know the difference between useless and not essential sure, you can survive winter without cloths but you will stop your travels more often to burn something than with only a beefalo hat, so isnt useless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4 Da LOLs Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 6 hours ago, Sunset Skye said: This isn't a good way to make an item useful, though. Rather than actually buffing the item to give it better mechanics, you'd simply be making it required. This kind of attitude always reminds me of cave holes, those little holes in the ruins that have some loot stuck in the middle of them. Why do cave holes exist? Because Klei wanted the lazy forager to be used more, but instead of actually making it more useful they simply made it required for a certain task. By making a vest the only item that stops you from dying to extreme cold, you aren't making the vest any more useful, you're just making it required. Rather than actually putting in the effort to buff the item in some way, you're essentially turning it into a key that you need in order to unlock a specific keyhole. This This is why I don't like Hamlet seasons its just required 1 item BOOM season done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easonade Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 31 minutes ago, Desblat said: Btw does anyone craft honey paper healing item? Papurys in its recipe makes it way too expensive compaired to healing food that you can mass produce. I do when I have a reed trap and not playing Wicker, easy mass produced healing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezaroth Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 53 minutes ago, thetricker1 said: people dont know the difference between useless and not essential If you're gonna take it literally then there's only Glommer's Wing. All the other items have their uses despite not being essential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frashaw27 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Desblat said: Btw does anyone craft honey paper healing item? Papurys in its recipe makes it way too expensive compaired to healing food that you can mass produce. I do when playing Wormwood. Mainly because thats the only true effective healin item for tougher bosses. Sure, glands and salves work but when fighting fuelweaver, you need any leg up you can get. 4 minutes ago, Ezaroth said: If you're gonna take it literally then there's only Glommer's Wing. All the other items have their uses despite not being essential. I think glommers wings gelp you make Glomglom (pet) but yeah it uses are pretty limited. The most useless item imo is the Potted Succulent. Its a item and its for A E S T E T I C S but it literally doesn't do anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezaroth Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 13 minutes ago, Frashaw27 said: I think glommers wings gelp you make Glomglom (pet) but yeah it uses are pretty limited. You don't need the wings for Glomglom, only the goop and taffy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frashaw27 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, Ezaroth said: You don't need the wings for Glomglom, only the goop and taffy. I wonder why I rember it needing wings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terra B Welch Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 4 hours ago, Rellimarual said: Not since Wormwood came to town Healing Salves or Honey Poultice is still more reliable to obtain in bulk imo, rather then farming cave entrances or bat dens for a bunch of one item. Honestly it's something I'd never farm for.too much grinding for too little reward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinancoTheBest Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, Frashaw27 said: I wonder why I rember it needing wings? Probably because that would have made more sense, made glom glom more valuable, rarer and a worthy concellation prize for losing or butchering glommer, while also giving the wings at least something to do. The goop already had many applications from top tier fertilizer and fuel to being an insanity pill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooagain Posted January 21, 2020 Author Share Posted January 21, 2020 3 hours ago, SinancoTheBest said: Probably because that would have made more sense, made glom glom more valuable, rarer and a worthy concellation prize for losing or butchering glommer, while also giving the wings at least something to do. The goop already had many applications from top tier fertilizer and fuel to being an insanity pill. They probably made it take goop to avoid players killing glommer in public servers for the pet, when others want him alive for the constant goop and sanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike23Ua Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 I change my pick, I want to instead go with boats as my option. why??? Because people don’t actually build boats and sail the sea as was intended with their design.... they simply just toss a whole bunch of Boat Kit Platforms all over everywhere. So my pick is Boats, used the proper way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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