Advices on how to increase PH²O generation ?

[Dracian]

Hey there.

I find myself in a strange situation... I have been quite lucky with my actual seed (PO² geyser right next to the starting point, 3 NatGas geysers not far from my base and a Gold Volcano near an AETN and a Water Geyser among others), though I think it's the first time since the introduction of volcanoes that I play on a map without a Slush or a Contaminated Water Geyser... And i would never have thought it would be a real problem.

The thing is, Showers, Toilets  and NatGas Generators doesn't generate/transform enough H²O in PH²O to both feed my Pincha Pepper Plants and my Metal Refineries (I have 12 Dupes and can't imagine printing more for performance reasons). I could use Petroleum as coolant in my Refineries to speed things up, but that would solve nothing in the end, since Refineries doesn't consume any liquid. For example, I can't imagine having a Reed Farm right now.

Right now, the only solution I have found is to start a Puft farm to transform Slime into PH²O and Algae, but the output is really low. I have not tested Algae Terrariums as it would require too much Duplicant Operation. Of course, from time to time I pump a puddle of PH²O in my Swamp Biomes, but I would really like to find a durable solution.

So if you guys have a hint or an advice to give me, please do (I'd prefer non space dependant solution, I have yet to build rockets)

Thanks in advance

[Yunru]

I believe the most efficient is a conveyor storage, sink, conveyor loader setup. The dupe will apparently wash his hands every time he moves slime, for massive water conversion.

[Grimgaw]

25 minutes ago, Dracian said:

Pincha Pepper Plants and my Metal Refineries

You could look at saving pH2O in first place. Wild plants and Metal Refinery don't consume water.

[Gus Smedstad]

In my colony, I didn't have slush geysers or polluted water geysers, so I struggled with polluted water the entire game.

One thing that helped was setting up automation to limit water to my pincha pepper farm. I put a shutoff valve so the farm didn't get water if my pincha pepper refrigerator in the kitchen was full.

I also converted all my carbon dioxide, from all sources, to polluted water via skimmers. If polluted water is short, this is more important than a slickster ranch.

Beyond that, I had a lot of power draw, and my primary power was petroleum burned in petroleum generators. Natural gas generators would be even better if you're converting petroleum to sour gas and then natural gas. The amount of natural gas you get from a couple of natural gas geysers isn't enough to make a dent.

I ran into polluted water shortages when I started generating a lot of power from steam, which meant I shut off my petroleum generators, and indirectly my oil wells since my oil got high enough to trigger anti-flooding measures. I responded by adding some logic so if polluted water was low enough, I ran my petroleum generators even if I didn't need power.

[Coolthulhu]

If you aren't limited by regular water, you could try sending rockets to slime planets and making algae. Algal terrariums are an exploit-free way to convert lots of clean water to polluted.

If you aren't at rocket stage yet, just stop trying to feed all your dupes pincha food. Let them waste some time in massage machines.

[beowulf2010]

3 hours ago, Coolthulhu said:

If you aren't limited by regular water, you could try sending rockets to slime planets and making algae. Algal terrariums are an exploit-free way to convert lots of clean water to polluted.

I'll second Coolthulhu's mention of terrariums. You convert a good amount of water to polluted water for minimal dupe time and algae. 

Ignoring offgassing, 5 terrariums give 2 dupes worth of oxygen and can supply 20 or so pincha pepper plants with polluted water for a small amount of additional dupe labor. 

Note 1: The downside to terrariums is that the polluted water comes out in bottles and is "only" 30C meaning it's a bit cool for pincha pepper plants. 

Note 2: Don't grow reed fibers. Avoid digging up wild ones and set them to auto harvest. This combined with sheering wild dreckos (just wrangle them into a hydrogen filled room with a few sheering stations) will get you more than enough reed fibers until you need to make insulation (the material, not the tiles or pipes) or want to carpet your entire base. 

[goatt]

I remember doing something like this. So I searched the forum......

With new ore dropper in the next update, you can get rid of one of the auto sweeper and replace it with ore dropper.

[Dracian]

7 hours ago, Gus Smedstad said:

One thing that helped was setting up automation to limit water to my pincha pepper farm. I put a shutoff valve so the farm didn't get water if my pincha pepper refrigerator in the kitchen was full.

I also converted all my carbon dioxide, from all sources, to polluted water via skimmers. If polluted water is short, this is more important than a slickster ranch.

I think the Skimmers will probably be the best solution : I just discovered a cool CO² geyser in the bottom layers of my asteroid. As for the Slickster farm, I wasn't really planning on building one, just let the wild ones eat the CO² naturally.

 

2 hours ago, goatt said:

I remember doing something like this. So I searched the forum......

With new ore dropper in the next update, you can get rid of one of the auto sweeper and replace it with ore dropper.

Oh god this is so mean. I just can't do such a thing

[Hechicera]

Talk about chapped hands.

[beowulf2010]

4 hours ago, Dracian said:

I think the Skimmers will probably be the best solution : I just discovered a cool CO² geyser in the bottom layers of my asteroid. As for the Slickster farm, I wasn't really planning on building one, just let the wild ones eat the CO² naturally.

Sadly both CO2 geyser/vents are lackluster in the amounts of CO2 produced. I don't remember exactly, but the average CO2 geyser puts out 15 or so g/s when it's dormancy is factored in. Hell, 10 dupes breathe out more CO2 than most CO2 geysers... 

[Dracian]

5 hours ago, beowulf2010 said:

Sadly both CO2 geyser/vents are lackluster in the amounts of CO2 produced. I don't remember exactly, but the average CO2 geyser puts out 15 or so g/s when it's dormancy is factored in. Hell, 10 dupes breathe out more CO2 than most CO2 geysers... 

That's what I figured out... I'have placed my NatGas Generators exhaust next to it to increase the CO² generation but I don't think it'll be enough. I also built some Algae Terrariums. We shall see

[Kiros]

Petrol Generator + Carbon skimmer.

[Yoma_Nosme]

The only ''solution'' nobody has mentioned

Melt the polluted ice! 

Sure it's not very sustainable but for some time it will help  

[Dracian]

So, after a few hours of testing, Terrariums finally proved to be the best. One was enough to stabilize my consumption (I uprooted some Pincha Plant and kept only what was necessary to produce 3 espressos per cycle and BBQs... 6 Plants are enough) and when activating a few more (1 to 4, depending), I had enough PH²O to cool my refineries. If you don't mind some micro management, this is really the best solution.

Thanks to all of you guys for your advices

[Yunru]

On 06/04/2019 at 6:23 PM, goatt said:

I remember doing something like this. So I searched the forum......

Oh god the inefficiency. There's no reason for sweepers, just move the conveyor stuff to where the compactors are.

[beowulf2010]

9 minutes ago, Dracian said:

Thanks to all of you guys for your advices

No problem. Creative solutions are the best part of this game for me. 

[0xFADE]

Hmm. Leave as many wild pincha pepper plants alive as possible. There are a lot of them.  A LOT lot.  I’ve only been using it as a cooling medium when the hot geyser water gets cleaned and turned 40c.  You get a pretty good amount from sinks toilets and showers. Another use for dupes. 

[lee1026]

On 4/6/2019 at 8:30 AM, Yunru said:

I believe the most efficient is a conveyor storage, sink, conveyor loader setup. The dupe will apparently wash his hands every time he moves slime, for massive water conversion.

For some definition of massive, anyway. The sink don't convert that much water.

[Yunru]

12 hours ago, lee1026 said:

For some definition of massive, anyway. The sink don't convert that much water.

They do when run for 18+ hours a cycle.

[lee1026]

It is only 5kg per use, and the animation takes ~20 seconds? That is what, 30 rounds per cycle?

 

150kg per day is really not a lot in the grand scheme of things - for example, it isn't enough make enough dirt for pepper bread for a single dupe.

 

Putting it differently, a single petrol generator will generate 6x more p-water.

[Grimgaw]

1 hour ago, lee1026 said:

the animation takes ~20 seconds?

5sec for 5kg of pH2O

[Craigjw]

That has to be one hell of a soul sapping task for the dupe, a couple of gravestones in that room I'm sure would do wonders.