Saturnus Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Yunru said: Any object that expands, does so away from it's centre. That centre doesn't change or move (relative to the object of course). This includes things like "a universe". To say that the Universe expands from a set point would imply it's expanding into something else. And we have no way of knowing whether that is case. We can only see it from our perspective. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/3/#findComment-1149991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Perhaps the universe is remaining the same size and we are shrinking? Does that also mean that I will have to buy more pints to accomplish the same goal? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/3/#findComment-1149992 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yunru Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, Saturnus said: To say that the Universe expands from a set point would imply it's expanding into something else. No, that would be a product of saying the universe expands at all. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/3/#findComment-1149994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 16 minutes ago, Craigjw said: Perhaps the universe is remaining the same size and we are shrinking? Does that also mean that I will have to buy more pints to accomplish the same goal? That's actually been suggested. And it's not so far fetched. It does a lot to explain inflation in the early Universe it that is the case. The suggestion came about from the very mundane observation that hot objects are physically larger than an otherwise identical cold objects. So it could be that as the first molecules cooled, they contracted and distance between enlarged. It would have the same effect as expanding... at least in the early Universe. 11 minutes ago, Yunru said: No, that would be a product of saying the universe expands at all. Look. I'm just stating facts as we know them today.http://theastronomist.fieldofscience.com/2010/03/you-are-at-center-of-universe.html There's a reason why I wrote "the observer" in my post. Because to any observer, they are the exact centre of the Universe. If at a time in the future we can discern that the Copernicus Principle is correct, and we can deduce a point in space which equate the origin of the Big Bang, that would naturally change that fact. Which leads us right back to facts can change over time when the reference frame changes. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/3/#findComment-1149995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cairath Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Angpaur said: And that is the thing that bothers me - software developer should have testing team, to at least test basic things before delivering to customers. We paid for this game and even if it is early access we are theirs customers. A customers who accepts the fact that game is still under developement and some of as are willing to help by testing and bug reporting. But this doesn't mean Klei is supposed to throw all testing responsibility on us, especially if we do it voluntary. It bothers me that you say you're a dev then go on to 'throw all testing responsibility on us, especially if we do it voluntary.'. You should know (unless you're still more of a tester than a dev) that unrelated stuff can break while changing something else. They didn't even have to touch the outhouses. If they threw *all* testing at us I assure you the game wouldn't work at all. 'I think' doesn't really work nice with unkind accusations like that, especially when a short glance at the output log proves something completely different - looks like the error is connected to group assignments (like the toilet is assigned to Public). Trying to unassign that, whether by deconstruction or trying to assign the toilet to a specific dupe, crashes. Not only toilets - all things assignable to public (groups) - e.g. massage table. After all.. this is a *testing* branch. Report in the bug tracker and wait for a fix - Klei delivers fixes for gamebreaking bugs rather quickly. You're right we paid for the game. The stable branch is the master branch. You just cannot expect 100% stability on a preview version 3 weeks before its actual release. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/3/#findComment-1150000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Plum Gate Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 I just skimmed through the three pages of post about the outhouse and lavatory causing the game to crash. And saw this.. 23 minutes ago, Saturnus said: 29 minutes ago, Craigjw said: Perhaps the universe is remaining the same size and we are shrinking? Does that also mean that I will have to buy more pints to accomplish the same goal? That's actually been suggested. And it's not so far fetched. It does a lot to explain inflation in the early Universe it that is the case. ..and wow, has this thread gotten weird or what? The outhouse has a bug report attached to it regarding the crash For those still reading the thread, that issue was marked fixed by the dev's, ...usually when the bug is marked as such and is associated with a crash then it gets fixed in the next rolled out patch on the testing branch. @Cairath and I posted about the same time. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/3/#findComment-1150008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 8 minutes ago, The Plum Gate said: I just skimmed through the three pages of post about the outhouse and lavatory causing the game to crash. And saw this.. ..and wow, has this thread gotten weird or what? That is a matter of perspective, had you read the entire conversation, there is a modicum of continuity, albeit rather tenuous. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/3/#findComment-1150012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Plum Gate Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Craigjw said: while a fact maybe true at one time, it may not be true at a later date. The OP wanted to bring more attention crash. So I suppose this has been accomplished. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/3/#findComment-1150014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angpaur Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 27 minutes ago, Cairath said: 'I think' doesn't really work nice with unkind accusations like that, especially when a short glance at the output log proves something completely different - looks like the error is connected to group assignments (like the toilet is assigned to Public). Well I guess I deserve this criticism for jumping to hastly to a conclusions. I assumed something, taking it as the simpliest explanation. Thanks for highlighting the real root cause of the crash. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/3/#findComment-1150015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilalaunekuh Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 3 hours ago, Craigjw said: There was a study done, any time the H word was mentioned in a forum thread, the conversation was over. For me it seems more like the B word (Bethesda) triggered it, that our conversation gone down that rabbit hole Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/3/#findComment-1150047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
avc15 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 5 hours ago, Yunru said: You're complaining about a testing branch of an early access game? What. They do do basic testing before delivering it to us. With a group of volunteers that opt into the testing branch. Having NO QA, at all, explicitly as part of a software company's business model, is really strange. That said you have never once seen me on here complaining about unfinished state of anything. I just find it a fascinating thing to find a software developer who makes it a business objective to do away with all internal QA. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/3/#findComment-1150065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 10 hours ago, goochmyster said: I know this was mentioned in the anoucement thread of QoL2 but im just wondering if anyone out there knows a way around the black hole? Ive tried debug "Destroy", CTRL + F4 and deconstructing, etc. no luck. If nothing else I'm kinda hoping the developers will hotfix it if more attention is drew to it. I would suggest that the object itself is in an inconsistent state and all changes to it cause a crash. If we do not get a hotfix today, I will just wall off the med-bed that causes the crash for me. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/3/#findComment-1150080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Plum Gate Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 I know many methods have been attempted to get rid of them without success. Has anyone tried teleporting the building to some place they aren't using? I know it's a task maker. Maybe disabling auto disinfect? On top of all the other tasks? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/3/#findComment-1150090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittenIsAGeek Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 7 hours ago, Craigjw said: EA is another example, if you look at the number of really successful software houses and franchises they've bought, they've stripped all of them, ruined their franchises and monetized every game they have gotten their hands on, to the point that nearly every game now released is pay to win, the only exception is Overwatch, which they have massive advertising revenue on. For EA, their only incentive to making games is to make money on and not what US the players want. I'm still boycotting EA over the whole City of Heroes/Villains fiasco. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/3/#findComment-1150102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
beowulf2010 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 33 minutes ago, KittenIsAGeek said: I'm still boycotting EA over the whole City of Heroes/Villains fiasco. That wasn't EA. That was NCSoft. Most recently the canceler of Wildstar, another decently profitable MMO. Propper upper of Lineage II. I'm still depressed about loosing CoH... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/3/#findComment-1150104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Witch Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 The outhouse bug has been patched. Hats Off Klei !! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/3/#findComment-1150110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yunru Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 51 minutes ago, KittenIsAGeek said: I'm still boycotting EA over the whole City of Heroes/Villains fiasco. Please, I'm still boycotting them over what they did to Westwood Studios. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/3/#findComment-1150117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 20 minutes ago, Yunru said: Please, I'm still boycotting them over what they did to Westwood Studios. Ah, Westwood. Fond memories and a terrible, avoidable tragedy! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/3/#findComment-1150133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
goochmyster Posted February 1, 2019 Author Share Posted February 1, 2019 5 hours ago, Rogue Witch said: The outhouse bug has been patched. Hats Off Klei !! I agree! Very fast turn arounds indeed!! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/3/#findComment-1150227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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