Craigjw Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 There was a study done, any time the H word was mentioned in a forum thread, the conversation was over. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/2/#findComment-1149950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophlette Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 9 minutes ago, Angpaur said: You just made the contrast too big You could now put there literally Hitler and he would look like an angel compared to Fallout 76 Spoiler Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/2/#findComment-1149951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 I've been a patron on the Fallout games, I won't be with FO76 though. You could say that it's gone the same way as the latrine black hole... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/2/#findComment-1149952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angpaur Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, Craigjw said: There was a study done, any time the H word was mentioned in a forum thread, the conversation was over. Well, my country suffered the most from his actions during WWII and now basically to cope with it we are just in most cases making laugh at him. There was already too much crying, laugh is only thing left to not go mad. If my joke was inappropriate than I'm sorry. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/2/#findComment-1149955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Facts change over time, the study was done over 10 years ago, it was on QI. Another episode points out that facts have a lifespan, while a fact maybe true at one time, it may not be true at a later date. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/2/#findComment-1149958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yunru Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Just now, Craigjw said: Facts change over time, the study was done over 10 years ago, it was on QI. Another episode points out that facts have a lifespan, while a fact maybe true at one time, it may not be true at a later date. QI also had a fact that days weren't 24 hours long and were instead 23 hours and 59 minutes long. Don't trust the people who can't count from a 0 start Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/2/#findComment-1149959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angpaur Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, Craigjw said: Another episode points out that facts have a lifespan, while a fact maybe true at one time, it may not be true at a later date. This sounds like Orwellian "1984". Do you actually really believe this or I missed some joke here? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/2/#findComment-1149961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 I have experienced it first hand. Some people don't understand that facts CAN change. In this particular instance, the other person called me out for being a liar, which wasn't pleasant. It's not 1984, it's called the Scientific method. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/2/#findComment-1149964 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yunru Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Fact: There are only 1 million humans alive. False, you might say. But at some point it was true (for a given value of human at least). Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/2/#findComment-1149965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angpaur Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 I don't think it is facts changing but rathers people perception of them. And it is a very dangerous thing. Imagine that in 50 years people will start to believe that WW II never happened, and they will thnk "Why no go to war with those who oppose us?! What can go wrong?!". Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/2/#findComment-1149967 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Yunru said: Fact: There are only 1 million humans alive. False, you might say. But at some point it was true (for a given value of human at least). Very aptly put, thank you Not so long ago, I mentioned to someone that heavier things fall at the same rate as lighter things, to which the reply was sheer shock and disbelief and tried to argue that heavier things fall faster.... Yes, this really happened and not by a thick person either, an accountant with a first class honours degree from a reputable university... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/2/#findComment-1149968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angpaur Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, Yunru said: Fact: There are only 1 million humans alive. Doesn't such statement mean what is in the moment when this statement is made? If you don't precise what time you are talking about than how this can be a fact related to past? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/2/#findComment-1149970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, Angpaur said: Doesn't it mean that you are saying what is now? If you don't precise what time you are talking about than how this can be a fact related to past? That is the whole point. A fact is confined to its reference frame. Change the reference frame and it might not be a fact anymore. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/2/#findComment-1149971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Do you time stamp every conversation you have? Just now, Saturnus said: That the whole point. A fact is confined to it's reference frame. Change the reference frame and it might not be a fact anymore. Agreed. I would also propose perspective, but this could be considered time frame according to some special relative case proposed somewhere, sometime. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/2/#findComment-1149973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angpaur Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, Saturnus said: That the whole point. A fact is confined to it's reference frame. Change the reference frame and it might not be a fact anymore. Exactly. So it is still a fact that in 1999 there was 6 billion people. And another fact is that now we have more than 7 billion. The first fact hasn't changed. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/2/#findComment-1149974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 So basically, we are all in concurrence. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/2/#findComment-1149975 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yunru Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Fact: The earth is the centre of the universe. (For an example of an assumed fact that turns out to be incorrect) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/2/#findComment-1149976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 12 minutes ago, Craigjw said: Not so long ago, I mentioned to someone that heavier things fall at the same rate as lighter things, to which the reply was sheer shock and disbelief and tried to argue that heavier things fall faster.... Again, we could potentially be talking different reference frame. Objects fall a the same rate independent of mass in a vacuum as demonstrated by commander David Scott of the Apollo 15 when he did his famous hammer and feather drop on the Moon. However, anyone can demonstrate that on Earth in atmospheric air, ie. a different reference frame, a volleyball and a bowling ball of the same size fall at different rates. Or you can go full Einsteinian and rightfully claim that neither the bowling ball or volleyball is actually falling but it's the Earth that is accelerating towards them. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/2/#findComment-1149977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Add the word "Discuss" at the end of that statement and we have ourselves an exam question. They are nightmares I don't wish to repeat. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/2/#findComment-1149978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, Yunru said: Fact: The earth is the centre of the universe. Actually that is almost correct. The exact centre of the Universe is the position of the observer at any given time. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/2/#findComment-1149979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 When I've got my head down, praying to the porcelain god in the lavatory black hole, I don't want anything to do with the universe and certainly don't want to be an observer..... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/2/#findComment-1149981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yunru Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 15 minutes ago, Saturnus said: Actually that is almost correct. The exact centre of the Universe is the position of the observer at any given time. Given we're in a universe that is expanding away from a set pint, that's not exactly right. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/2/#findComment-1149984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 14 minutes ago, Craigjw said: When I've got my head down, praying to the porcelain god in the lavatory black hole, I don't want anything to do with the universe and certainly don't want to be an observer..... Well, you can't have a topic with the word black hole in the title and not mention Einstein and reference frames, now can you? 6 minutes ago, Yunru said: Given we're in a universe that is expanding away from a set pint, that's not exactly right. No. The Universe isn't expanding from a set point. It is the set point that is expanding, and that set point is the Universe. To say that the Universe from a set point would imply it's expanding into something. And we have no way of knowing whether that is case. We can only see it from our perspective Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/2/#findComment-1149985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yunru Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, Saturnus said: No. The Universe isn't expanding from a set point. It is the set point that is expanding, and that set point is the Universe. Any object that expands, does so away from it's centre. That centre doesn't change or move (relative to the object of course). This includes things like "a universe". Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/2/#findComment-1149988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angpaur Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, Saturnus said: No. The Universe isn't expanding from a set point. It is the set point that is expanding, and that set point is the Universe. But that would require size of the universe to be infinite and I don't think that current scientific knowledge can confirm it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/page/2/#findComment-1149990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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