superhanz Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 Pincha Pepper? I don't think phosporite is infinite. But I think slime is pretty much infinite for mushrooms. But I don't know much about things. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101271-what-is-the-best-late-game-food-for-a-sustainable-base/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorsDux Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, superhanz said: Pincha Pepper? I don't think phosporite is infinite. But I think slime is pretty much infinite for mushrooms. But I don't know much about things. you will never run out of phosphorite. Pincha needs only 1 kg/cycle/plant, even if you grow 100 plants which is quite ridiculous the map has reserves for more than 10,000 cycles. Unless you spend it on fertilizer farming which atm is only useful in some specific cases. Best water based combination imo is berry sludge. Bristle is the easier crop to grow. If you need the max morale boost for your astronauts there will forever be enough wild wheat to make pepper bread for a few dupes. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101271-what-is-the-best-late-game-food-for-a-sustainable-base/#findComment-1137896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
beowulf2010 Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 Phosphorite is infinite. Balm Lily in a chlorine filled Drecko ranch. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101271-what-is-the-best-late-game-food-for-a-sustainable-base/#findComment-1137907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 Depending on the geysers you find on your map determins what endgame food you can provide for your dupes PW is more important for pinichas than phospotite, you can produce plenty of phospotite as Beowulf2010 suggested. But you'll need a constant supply of PW. If you don't have a PW geyser on your map then NG or petroleum generators can substitute. With plenty of peppers your other choice would be bristle berries, sleet wheat, or meat. If you have good water sourses from geysers or extra steam vents then you can grow bristle berries for stuffed berries If you set up a good dirt farm you can make sleet wheat for pepper bread If you lack good geysers for water or dirt farming then raise pacu stables for meat production and feed your dupes BBQ This is why most players like using maps with multiple PW geysers as you can support any crops with them Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101271-what-is-the-best-late-game-food-for-a-sustainable-base/#findComment-1137910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcus2611 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Pincha pepper can be sustained indefinitely with a drecko ranch (free phosphorite) and a source of PO2. On the other hand you can't actually eat pincha pepper, so you need either meat, sleet wheat or bristle berry to cook stuff with it. Honestly you don't really need a lot of the stuff anyway. In terms of the best food for sustaining your base? Mushrooms. As long as you have proper systems in place to handle slime (pressurise your farm with CO2 and either disinfect the slime in a chlorine room or use autosweepers to handle the shipping), fried mushrooms are absurdly easy to keep going and there's enough slime on the map to sustain you for thousands of cycles, assuming you don't supplement with puft ranching. I've been feeding my base off mushrooms for at least 400 cycles and had no problems or food shortages in that time. Good supplementary food sources include shine bug ranching, pacus, drecko and hatch ranching, and wild sleet wheat. The next easiest food to sustain is bristle blossoms, but those need water, which is far more valuable than slime. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101271-what-is-the-best-late-game-food-for-a-sustainable-base/#findComment-1138068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilalaunekuh Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 17 minutes ago, Arcus2611 said: In terms of the best food for sustaining your base? Mushrooms I go always for sustainable systems, so the worst food in this category would be: Mushrooms (Sure the natural slime will feed your dupes for above 1000 cycles, but that has nothing to do with sustainable) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101271-what-is-the-best-late-game-food-for-a-sustainable-base/#findComment-1138069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
superhanz Posted December 31, 2018 Author Share Posted December 31, 2018 so if i use autosweeper and this funky transport system slime won't smell bad? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101271-what-is-the-best-late-game-food-for-a-sustainable-base/#findComment-1138070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolthulhu Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 9 minutes ago, superhanz said: so if i use autosweeper and this funky transport system slime won't smell bad? It will still evaporate. To prevent it from doing so, you need to have high pressure CO2 in the farm, which means having a waterlock or tube system, which means requiring atmo suits just for farming. And if you have atmo suits, you don't need to worry about slimelung anyway. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101271-what-is-the-best-late-game-food-for-a-sustainable-base/#findComment-1138074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 I ranch hatches early for coal so I get lots of extra eggs I do a mix of omelets and mushrooms that can sustain my colony into late game Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101271-what-is-the-best-late-game-food-for-a-sustainable-base/#findComment-1138101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hakon Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Early I farmed mushrooms for a while. Now my dupes only eat wild plants and animals suplemented with a small drecko farm mainly barbeque and pepper bread. I'm at cicle 1100 with 23 dupes and 5 mil food extra. If you do your best to keep all wild things healthy then you don't really need to farm anything. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101271-what-is-the-best-late-game-food-for-a-sustainable-base/#findComment-1138131 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChickenMadness Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 I'll list a bunch of different food sources... (some of them are exploity and I don't really use them because it makes the game too easy) -If you don't care about using the open ranch exploit. Filling a tiny room with 40+ dense pufts will give you an infinitely increasing rate of meat and eggs, depending on how many spoms you feed into it. They have very short life spans and reproduction cycles. You put in multiple grooming stations and have a few ranchers grooming there 24/7... You can leave the normal puft variants inside the ranch to starve to death so you get meat instead of eggs as well. If you keep the oxylite in the room to gass off back into oxygen it's -1.5kg of oxygen per cycle per dense puft. So they're incredibly cheap resource-wise. I've stopped using open ranches now though because it's too cheaty and will probably be nerfed at some point. -Normal dreckos are a good source of meat as someone mentioned already as they also require no resources (only grooming). Since they eat balm lilys. -Having a very large number of Pacus in a water tank... You'll get free meat from them when they die and requires no duplicant mainatanence or resources. (need to spend algae initially to make them breed and increase the population however). -Hatches are an infinite supply of meat. Realistically you will never run out of their food source. Generally ranching and BBQ is the easiest source of food imo. You're more likely to run out of resources eventually when farming. Mushrooms will eventually run out... The only way you can create a sustainable source of slime (without getting it from space) is really unbalanced and exploity imo so I don't do it. Using very large bottles of polluted water to off-gass into polluted oxygen....to feed pufts... for slime... for the shrooms. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101271-what-is-the-best-late-game-food-for-a-sustainable-base/#findComment-1138152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oni Noob Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 19 hours ago, beowulf2010 said: Phosphorite is infinite. Balm Lily in a chlorine filled Drecko ranch. I dont get it, how is it infinite? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101271-what-is-the-best-late-game-food-for-a-sustainable-base/#findComment-1138164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 I don't like the debuff from bbq and as such, all my meat now goes straight for recycling. Ideally, we need more food recipe's. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101271-what-is-the-best-late-game-food-for-a-sustainable-base/#findComment-1138166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Just now, Oni Noob said: I dont get it, how is it infinite? balm lilies don't need anything other than a chlorine room dreckos eat balm lilies dreckos poop phosphorite Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101271-what-is-the-best-late-game-food-for-a-sustainable-base/#findComment-1138167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Oni Noob said: I dont get it, how is it infinite? I have a glossy drecko farm in O2/H with bristle's, the drecko's drop Phosphorite. This provides more phosphorite than my pepper farm and fertilizer synthesizers can use, while also being sustainable, as water is the only input. 2 minutes ago, Neotuck said: dreckos poop phosphorite Just make sure not to put a match to their ass, as they will combust rather violently. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101271-what-is-the-best-late-game-food-for-a-sustainable-base/#findComment-1138168 Share on other sites More sharing options...
socooo Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 Now it's hard to say, after all, we have space, and the gifts from space are almost infinite. Later, hydrogen engines could be used to trade water with space Phosphorus is of course infinite, but I don't like that creature（drecko） Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101271-what-is-the-best-late-game-food-for-a-sustainable-base/#findComment-1138304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miravlix Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 I don't think there is any limits anymore, since the rocket can collect everything in a unlimited way. Without Rockets to make everything unlimited: Slime is a very limited resource. Don't kill wild Pepper and Sleet plants and you have an unlimited source of them, just don't hallow mine the asteroid and ruin the heat/cold balance in the plants living areas. Berry Sludge is a really good choice of food, as it's fairly easy to make Berries and due to the raw mats to Berry Sludge conversion rate, you can support a ton of dupes on just a few plants. I think my 16 dupes is living off 15 Bristle Blossom farm tiles. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101271-what-is-the-best-late-game-food-for-a-sustainable-base/#findComment-1138315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGCat Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 All recipes with Pincha Pepper Nuts. The easiest is the BBQ. Just ranching Pacu's. After a while u got a huge amount of meat. Pepper bread is to time consuming in my opinion. I don't farm sleetwheat (only the wilds). 10 sleetwheat for one bread is a little bit to much. And the berry + the pincha is the easiest with the pacu's. They give +12 Moral. Enough for the highest jobs in the game. The most of the time the dupes have round about 37 moral. Astronaut need 30 moral. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101271-what-is-the-best-late-game-food-for-a-sustainable-base/#findComment-1138385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcus2611 Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 23 hours ago, Coolthulhu said: It will still evaporate. To prevent it from doing so, you need to have high pressure CO2 in the farm, which means having a waterlock or tube system, which means requiring atmo suits just for farming. And if you have atmo suits, you don't need to worry about slimelung anyway. CO2 reaches max normal pressure at 2400g. Slime only offgasses in atmospheres under 1800g. And if you use a vertical airlock little to no gas will escape. I've been running my farm for over 400 cycles and I haven't had a single occurrence of offgassing. No liquid locks or atmo suits required. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101271-what-is-the-best-late-game-food-for-a-sustainable-base/#findComment-1138388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChickenMadness Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 I've never used atmosuits when farming mushrooms. Even without building a proper room for them, just having them all messily placed at the bottom level of my base at the beginning of the game. Having a few deodorisers dotted around while having no other safety procautions is enough. The slimelung doesn't even do anything when it off gasses and touches a deodoriser. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101271-what-is-the-best-late-game-food-for-a-sustainable-base/#findComment-1138405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemie Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 8 hours ago, Miravlix said: I don't think there is any limits anymore, since the rocket can collect everything in a unlimited way. Without Rockets to make everything unlimited: Slime is a very limited resource. Don't kill wild Pepper and Sleet plants and you have an unlimited source of them, just don't hallow mine the asteroid and ruin the heat/cold balance in the plants living areas. Berry Sludge is a really good choice of food, as it's fairly easy to make Berries and due to the raw mats to Berry Sludge conversion rate, you can support a ton of dupes on just a few plants. I think my 16 dupes is living off 15 Bristle Blossom farm tiles. one ton of dirt every 25 cycles is hardly unlimited Also, wolframite/tungsten is sadly not an option from ice planets. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101271-what-is-the-best-late-game-food-for-a-sustainable-base/#findComment-1138407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
goboking Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 On 12/31/2018 at 6:43 AM, Lilalaunekuh said: I go always for sustainable systems, so the worst food in this category would be: Mushrooms Agreed. Fried mushrooms don't offer much of a morale boost and slime pre-spaceflight is finite unless you're going to dedicate several dupes to full-time puft ranching. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101271-what-is-the-best-late-game-food-for-a-sustainable-base/#findComment-1138815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ishakaru Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 18 hours ago, goboking said: Agreed. Fried mushrooms don't offer much of a morale boost and slime pre-spaceflight is finite unless you're going to dedicate several dupes to full-time puft ranching. True shrooms don't offer much a boost, however there is plenty of slime on most maps to reach space. As for a couple full time dupes ranching... how many dupes are you talking about? A single puft supports roughly 1.5 dupes(at 1kcal/day) via shrooms and eggs. In fact, shrooms are the most water efficient sustainable food source in the game. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101271-what-is-the-best-late-game-food-for-a-sustainable-base/#findComment-1139092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 On 1/1/2019 at 8:49 AM, chemie said: one ton of dirt every 25 cycles is hardly unlimited Depends on what kind of dirt farm you have If you got a PW geyser it's very easy Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101271-what-is-the-best-late-game-food-for-a-sustainable-base/#findComment-1139096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypher-7 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Neotuck said: Depends on what kind of dirt farm you have If you got a PW geyser it's very easy How so? I’ve been wanting to move into sleet wheat but scared about running out of dirt. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101271-what-is-the-best-late-game-food-for-a-sustainable-base/#findComment-1139098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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