(New player) Help with trying to kill slimelung with heat

[KitGlom]

Hi, I'm new to the game and been playing it a lot recently, I've wanted to ask if it's a viable tactic to kill slimelung off with heat? This is part of my base, on the left side you can see its the swamp/slime biome thing and I've been trying to kill it off with heat, but it seems even with generators and machinery, it's not enough. The slimelung germs used to die off at 75celsius but now I see it has been raised to 100celsius?

I wanted to ask is this a viable tactic or is this one of the noob traps? I tried to look up online but most of the things they said are "don't expand into slimelung so fast" (but I need slime for mushroom food (since my bristle and mealworms are dying from heat) and algae for oxygen).

 

[Giltirn]

I personally have not found slimelung that hard to manage. If someone gets immunity below 50% I just don't let them out of the main base area. The only difficulty I had was with a dupe with naturally suppressed immunity gain. With regards to killing slimelung, I think cold works better. However I have not found much need for germ-free water. The big issue with heating the water is that you then have to cool it again, which is much harder.

[avc15]

killing slimelung in po2 with heat is possible but not the best choice. Because,

(1) slimelung grows exponentially in polluted oxygen

(2) when gases exchange mass back and forth between tiles, the germs move too. In other words, the germs will "flow" gradually into whichever pocket of gas you haven't heated

(3) It'll be really difficult to heat the entire chamber all at once without leaving any part of it cold, and enough to counteract growth of slimelung.

 

One of my bases used heat to kill food poisoning germs in water. And then I realized it is not necessary.

 

So here is what you do, take out (1). Use deodorizers to change po2 into just oxygen. Then the germs will die off on their own.

[chemie]

Do not use heat!

1. Use deodorizers

2. Just stay away from polluted O2 pockets.  Put slimei n compacter submerged in water or polluted water.

= Ignore slime lung completely.

Above 2 means your dups never drop below 100% immunity.

[KitGlom]

42 minutes ago, avc15 said:

One of my bases used heat to kill food poisoning germs in water. And then I realized it is not necessary.

I wanted to ask, why is it not neccesary? I was checking my refrigerator but for some reason it's covered in food poisoning. I guessed it was from me drawing water from a polluted water -> water sieve -> normal water pit -> liceloaf. How do you just let the food poisoning die off?

1 hour ago, Giltirn said:

I personally have not found slimelung that hard to manage. If someone gets immunity below 50% I just don't let them out of the main base area. The only difficulty I had was with a dupe with naturally suppressed immunity gain. With regards to killing slimelung, I think cold works better. However I have not found much need for germ-free water. The big issue with heating the water is that you then have to cool it again, which is much harder.

How do you stop them from going out of the base? My Tidy, Build, and Deliver duplicants are the ones who always get sick, they keep building or getting slime and algae from outside of base because I need it.

28 minutes ago, chemie said:

Do not use heat!

1. Use deodorizers

2. Just stay away from polluted O2 pockets.  Put slimei n compacter submerged in water or polluted water.

= Ignore slime lung completely.

Above 2 means your dups never drop below 100% immunity.

I did not think of putting the storage in water to kill it off, I will try that out.

[WanderingKid]

6 minutes ago, KitGlom said:

I wanted to ask, why is it not neccesary? I was checking my refrigerator but for some reason it's covered in food poisoning. I guessed it was from me drawing water from a polluted water -> water sieve -> normal water pit -> liceloaf. How do you just let the food poisoning die off?

How do you stop them from going out of the base? My Tidy, Build, and Deliver duplicants are the ones who always get sick, they keep building or getting slime and algae from outside of base because I need it.

I did not think of putting the storage in water to kill it off, I will try that out.

Hey there!  There's two problems you're facing.  Food Poisoning and Slimelung are two different sets of problems and you have to tackle each separately.

Dealing with food poisoning needs two things:

1) Make sure your dupes wash after using the toilet.  This keeps them from spreading food poisoning out to everywhere else.

2) If you use polluted water with food poisoning in it (ie: Your septic tank), make sure the food is cooked.  IE: Mush Fry.  In most cases, just use a different source of PH2O for fresh water.  You should need to worry about the little bit of polluted water in a waste tank, there's literally tons of it on the map if you don't mix the locations.

So, that's Food Poisoning.

Slimelung is a different beast altogether.  Polluted Oxygen by itself isn't your problem.  You can breathe PO2 all day and not hurt your dupes.  It's when slime gets mined and freed that it starts to interact with the PO2 that you have a problem.  You have to get the slimelung to stop trying to kill you if you're mining slime.

Simply using deodorizers will swap the PO2 into fresh O2, which changes the infection rate to -29%, so it will eventually kill off, or at least lower the amount of slimelung you're getting.  To KILL slimelung on the actual slime, you need to let it sit in Chlorine for a while.  Eventually once it kills every last germ in the slime, you can simply do anything you want with it.  The easiest way to deal with slimelung getting all sorts of up in your business is to stick it in a storage compactor under water. 

A combination of the above is usually the best approach.  Use a deodorizer to keep your O2 fresh, because slime just offgases constantly until it's dunked, and use a water based storage to keep the slime from trying to kill you.

To keep someone from going outside the base, you have to have been using one of the doors.  In there, there's a way to set unique characters to be allowed access or not outside of the defaults.

[avc15]

51 minutes ago, KitGlom said:

 

I did not think of putting the storage in water to kill it off, I will try that out.

Storing in water does not kill the germs. it just keeps the slime from gassing into contaminated PO2.

Use a high priority on this storage compactor so that the blobs of slime don't just sit there and pump more germs into the air. Then build deodorizers in all the paths your dupes frequent. Double win.

But there's a trap - if there are pufts on your map, every time one of them poops a dupe will immediately run to get it. Frankly, it's better to put your slime storage on sweep only, the pufts will end up consuming all the PO2 you didn't deodorize and having nothing left to poop out.

51 minutes ago, KitGlom said:

I wanted to ask, why is it not neccesary? I was checking my refrigerator but for some reason it's covered in food poisoning. I guessed it was from me drawing water from a polluted water -> water sieve -> normal water pit -> liceloaf. How do you just let the food poisoning die off?

Your food is contaminated with germs and this is a real problem. But, food poisoning from water ONLY goes into the food if you're making mush bars or liceloaf.

So, all you have to do to control food poisoning is use any other type of food, and make your dupes wash their hands a lot before they can reach your cooked food storage. That's it!

Before you get past the microbe musher you need clean germ-free water. Afterwards it doesn't matter if there are germs in your water supply.

[SackMaggie]

Chlorine is your best friend.

[landromat]

remove all slime and clean air with deodorizers this is usually enough

[Soulwind]

The slimelung question has been answered, but I don't see anyone mentioning the other issue you raised.

If your berries and mealwood are stifling from heat, then you have a cooling problem to deal with.  Mushrooms

need a cool environment too and if the other 2 are too hot, it won't be long before your shroom farm is too.

Use wheezeworts, use a cool water radiator system, run gasses through radiant pipes submerged in cold water, AETN rooms;

there's lots of different ways to handle heat, but you do need to get a handle on it and quickly.

[Neotuck]

I like making a decontamination room with 2kg chlorine 

Snake a conveyor rail though the room.  Slimelung will die off as the slime passes though the chlorine.

Then use sweepers to fertilize your shrooms

[Kabrute]

its easier to kill slime with cold and fp with heat, but fp only harmful if used in end stage food production(dirty water into lice loaf) all other germy water builds the germs up inside the end point(flower pots and dirt piles).  I've seen hydroponics tiles with 2billion germs.  Slime lung is ONLY harmful in the air, so build a dedicated sieve for slimelung for distiller waste and use that water to make liceloaf with, run the excess through the bathrooms to convert the slime germs to food poison germs before sending to electrolizers but otherwise both types of germs are harmless if fed directly to plants.

[Gurgel]

1 hour ago, landromat said:

remove all slime and clean air with deodorizers this is usually enough

I was using careful management whom I let out of the base before, but this time I tried putting up abundant deodorizers and it definitely is a lot less hassle. And with filtration medium being basically unlimited now, it is probably the best approach.

[AnotherBoris]

One of the most important moments in the game for me was the decision to wear exosuit everywhere. Duplicants should only sleep, go to the toilet and wash without them, Everything else - in the exosuit. The second point is that I fill the base by Carbon Dioxide. This does not allow other gases to penetrate inside and, accordingly, bring germs. Thus deodorizers are somewhere in the Swamp Biome and the storage of Slime in warehouses covered with water is quite enough for not even thinking about germs.

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[beowulf2010]

1 hour ago, Gurgel said:

I was using careful management whom I let out of the base before, but this time I tried putting up abundant deodorizers and it definitely is a lot less hassle. And with filtration medium being basically unlimited now, it is probably the best approach.

The only downside I've found with spamming Deodorizers is that you can just get too much oxygen outside the base. A couple bases ago I wasn't careful enough about keeping Polluted Water pools locked down and wound up having near 5kg oxygen pressure outside my base. 

[abud]

4 minutes ago, beowulf2010 said:

The only downside I've found with spamming Deodorizers is that you can just get too much oxygen outside the base. A couple bases ago I wasn't careful enough about keeping Polluted Water pools locked down and wound up having near 5kg oxygen pressure outside my base. 

I got too much O2 outside from PO2 conversion, It has many slimelungs on it. Later, I spam dense puft to convert those germy O2 to oxylite. It's clean oxylite without germ. I didn't even set up ranch room, just drop-off and grooming station in the open.

[Miravlix]

Check slimelungs heat stats, it's always best to cool slimelung and heat food poisoning.

 

That said, only in case of liquid would I consider heating/cooling,

[WanderingKid]

1 hour ago, AnotherBoris said:

One of the most important moments in the game for me was the decision to wear exosuit everywhere.

That's a really interesting decision.  It takes too long for my preference for a dupe to even use an exosuit under normal circumstances, and you shouldn't need to wear them in your main base unless you've made a right mess of things.  My dupes only end up in exosuits for a few reasons: Long jobs in hydrogen/CO2, like ranching dreckos, long pathing to get somewhere that's not in a good place to stick a waystation, and extreme temperatures such as under icewater or playing with oil.

I'm relatively sure that watching my dupes gimp along at 50% or less speed would drive me insane.

[beowulf2010]

3 hours ago, abud said:

I got too much O2 outside from PO2 conversion, It has many slimelungs on it. Later, I spam dense puft to convert those germy O2 to oxylite. It's clean oxylite without germ. I didn't even set up ranch room, just drop-off and grooming station in the open.

The Slimelung will eventually die in pure oxygen on its own. 

But, yeah, Dense Pufts are probably the best way to "get rid" of so much extra oxygen. 

I'm still torn on using the liquid in front of gas vents for near unlimited gas storage exploit and have yet to try a Lox Condenser. 

[AnotherBoris]

2 hours ago, WanderingKid said:

I'm relatively sure that watching my dupes gimp along at 50% or less speed would drive me insane.

Learning 5+ for start duplicants and 3+ for next. And master Exosuit Engineer job for all. For Exosuit Sprinting perk.

So by the 45-50 cycle, when I dress everyone in the Exosuits, everyone has 3-5 Atletics, which allows them not to lose speed, and to the 100-150 cycle all either learned Exosuit Sprinting, or are in the learning process, so having 10+ Altetics in Exosuits.

[Miravlix]

I'm also in the "small core base" just with sleeping and food and everything else outside done with exosuit equipped.

 

If you learn how dupes work and get the priorities right, they will get up in the morning, shower, eat and then go equip the suit and not take it off until they sleep.

 

I use algea O2 in the core base until cycle 500+ because no one is breathing the base air.

 

NEVER EVER build showers if you don't use exosuits everywhere, dupes will get wet feet and run back to shower over and over, completely crippling the efficiency of your base.