Why I pick Wigfrid over Wolfgang

[Starlogy]

Before someone disregards this as a "not another 'wigfrid vs wolfgang' thread" and doesn't contribute or asks a mod to lock it before things get heated, this is purely my OPINION.

With that being said, let's get this out of the way first: Yes, I fully agree that Wolfgang has much better damage potential than Wigfrid ever will, and if you want pure damage and speed, then Wolfgang is the superior choice. However, we have to think much larger than just combat scenarios, and how their playstyles are just different.

For instance, I actually like picking Wigfrid because of her diet restriction. It makes it impossible to abuse mushrooms or spam berries like you may see Wolfgangs do to keep up the mighty form. It also makes cave spelunking much more intense, as bunnymen will most likely target the Wigfrid before anyone else. Although she does miss out on a lot of OP food options such as Dragonpie or major sanity restoration foods, I rather like that about her, as instead of cheesing it with farming, I actually have to take the effort to kill spiders or other things for my meat. (Spiders are a poor example since "the effort" being used here is little to none.)

And honestly, I have a strong belief that she's a much better team player than Wolfgang is. With being able to craft her helmets (and her spears as early game spear replacements) and give them to people can completely change what you sink your resources into. Rather than sinking your time into getting Football Helmets and wasting Pig Skin (which isn't hard to get but you could be using them on Ham Bats instead), you could just go to a quarry and get all the supplies you need for helmets in one go.

A lot of people consider Wigfrid to be "easy mode", especially early game. While I certantly agree on her being easy early game, late game she actually falls off quite a bit, as her quality of life stays constant the whole time while every other character goes up. I would draw a diagram showing what I mean but I'm not home to be able to do so. And while we're talking easy mode, no one complains about WX-78 having basically mod character stats by end game???

dont even get me started on wickerbottom either

Also, I just like Wigfrid as a character more than I do Wolfgang. This is purely just preference, and I don't dislike Wolfgang at all, it's just I like the ginger chick better. Dunno why, I just kinda do.

While these perks don't matter much endgame, I do also enjoy the vampirism skill she has and the small defense boost she gets. Kiting is a better option, of course, but it's nice to have a fallback option in case it doesn't work out in the end. Plus latency issues make kiting a pain in the ass.

Notice how I mention "team player" and "latency" as if I'm not hosting the world and playing solo. And that's the point entirely, as a Wigfrid just has better synergy with other characters than Wolfgang does, and performs better if she's part of a team rather than on her own. And luckly for me, I play a lot of Don't Starve Together... together! And instead of comparing Wigfrid to Wolfgang, just have 2 people play as them and pretty much demolish the whole game with zero issue.

tl;dr - Neither character is better than the other, Wigfrid is a more constant character and Wolfgang has better potential but can also perform worse than Wigfrid if they can't get food.

Spoiler

jesus that was a long post

 

[Rellimarual]

I'm sure the Wolfgang mains have a point, but if I'm going to play this game for hours, I just don't want to look at his meathead face for that long.

[spideswine]

3 hours ago, StarmanNess said:

Before someone disregards this as a "not another 'wigfrid vs wolfgang' thread" and doesn't contribute or asks a mod to lock it before things get heated, this is purely my OPINION.

With that being said, let's get this out of the way first: Yes, I fully agree that Wolfgang has much better damage potential than Wigfrid ever will, and if you want pure damage and speed, then Wolfgang is the superior choice. However, we have to think much larger than just combat scenarios, and how their playstyles are just different.

For instance, I actually like picking Wigfrid because of her diet restriction. It makes it impossible to abuse mushrooms or spam berries like you may see Wolfgangs do to keep up the mighty form. It also makes cave spelunking much more intense, as bunnymen will most likely target the Wigfrid before anyone else. Although she does miss out on a lot of OP food options such as Dragonpie or major sanity restoration foods, I rather like that about her, as instead of cheesing it with farming, I actually have to take the effort to kill spiders or other things for my meat. (Spiders are a poor example since "the effort" being used here is little to none.

This is basically a "Why I enjoy playing wes", restrictions can be appealing to some, we're all aware of that.

3 hours ago, StarmanNess said:

And honestly, I have a strong belief that she's a much better team player than Wolfgang is. With being able to craft her helmets (and her spears as early game spear replacements) and give them to people can completely change what you sink your resources into. Rather than sinking your time into getting Football Helmets and wasting Pig Skin (which isn't hard to get but you could be using them on Ham Bats instead), you could just go to a quarry and get all the supplies you need for helmets in one go.

Here's the thing, first of all wigfrids spears aren't very useful for people who aren't wigfrid as they hit for sub 50 and that's all that matters in the very early game, spikes are easy enough to get afterwards and hit for 51.

The helmets can expedite the assembly of a pig farm, but you need to remember that bosses dying faster and ruins getting cleared sooner is also a benefit to the team.

3 hours ago, StarmanNess said:

A lot of people consider Wigfrid to be "easy mode", especially early game. While I certantly agree on her being easy early game, late game she actually falls off quite a bit, as her quality of life stays constant the whole time while every other character goes up. I would draw a diagram showing what I mean but I'm not home to be able to do so.

I'm not sure what you're talking about? Who even says the early game is hard?

I can see why she falls off lategame(pig skin supply gets steadier at that point), but I don't see how other characters go up, I suppose wx gets gears, wolfgang gets a steadier supply of food and wicker can do wicker things, but aside from them I don't see the rest getting stronger.

16 minutes ago, Rellimarual said:

And while we're talking easy mode, no one complains about WX-78 having basically mod character stats by end game???

I think wx's design is absolute garbage, his strengths are as boring as his weaknesses, he really might as well be a mod char.

As to liking her more I have no objection to that, hell, I have no objection to wes either.

I will give you the latency(particularly lag spikes) issue, that can definitely be a legitimate reason to pick wigfrid.

 

[Starlogy]

1 hour ago, spideswine said:

I'm not sure what you're talking about? Who even says the early game is hard?

I didn't say it was hard, I said it's easier as Wigfrid.

1 hour ago, spideswine said:

I can see why she falls off lategame(pig skin supply gets steadier at that point), but I don't see how other characters go up

Well, past certain character's abilities, every character has more loot by lategame. More Nightmare Fuel, more food, more supplies, Ruins stuff, etc. With Wigfrid, what you get is pretty much it, though. Except you get to replace the spear with a Dark Sword or a Ham Bat.

[spideswine]

1 hour ago, StarmanNess said:

I didn't say it was hard, I said it's easier as Wigfrid.

Is it?

You can't eat berries, that could make it harder maybe?

Making the early game easier is such a vague statement, what is even supposed to cause difficulty there outside of not knowing the game? and would wigfrid really simplify that?

1 hour ago, StarmanNess said:

Well, past certain character's abilities, every character has more loot by lategame. More Nightmare Fuel, more food, more supplies, Ruins stuff, etc. With Wigfrid, what you get is pretty much it, though. Except you get to replace the spear with a Dark Sword or a Ham Bat.

As I've said, with spikes being as easy to obtain as they are I wouldn't even count the spear as much of an early game advantage,I'd barely count it as anything really.

And as far as supplies go it's mostly the same with other chars, you just get bone armor dark sword and a football helmet.

[LuxuryHeart]

 

I'm tired of "X character over Y character thread" based on personal opinion.  No one cares that you play as Wigfrid.  Most people on this forum seem to like Wigfrid anyway, so I'm confused as to why this is even a thread.

[spideswine]

31 minutes ago, LuxuryHeart said:

 

I'm tired of "X character over Y character thread" based on personal opinion.  No one cares that you play as Wigfrid.  Most people on this forum seem to like Wigfrid anyway, so I'm confused as to why this is even a thread.

I can't hear you, speak up!

[Starlogy]

34 minutes ago, LuxuryHeart said:

 

I'm tired of "X character over Y character thread" based on personal opinion.  No one cares that you play as Wigfrid.  Most people on this forum seem to like Wigfrid anyway, so I'm confused as to why this is even a thread.

the thread is somewhat of a justification for me (and other people) for picking wigfrid over wolfgang.

and also weren't you the guy who made the zodiac signs thread

[Residays]

55 minutes ago, LuxuryHeart said:

 

I'm tired of "X character over Y character thread" based on personal opinion.  No one cares that you play as Wigfrid.  Most people on this forum seem to like Wigfrid anyway, so I'm confused as to why this is even a thread.

You are what is wrong with people. The purpose of forums is to exchange ideas by communicating with other users, no matter what you have in mind, for as long as you follow the rules that the forum website you are using tells you to remember and, again, follow.

Keeping in mind this, I enjoy the Klei Entertainment Forums because you are basically allowed to say anything no matter what it is for as long as you don't mess with anyone, resulting in overall higher activity as there are users who don't enjoy or find difficulty on writing large elaborated posts, and even more, for example: My case which is long, serious posts get tiring quickly.

@StarmanNess Made it clear with the title and post, it's a story about a specific playstyle that he enjoys, not arguing over superiority of characters, but simply enjoying what is available.

If isn't much to ask, I would like you to please allow us continue this cheerful "silly" vibe for as long as Klei Entertainment and we live, and not make this forum a strict post-large-things-with-detail-only. It results in problems, and a huge decrease of inactivity, I've seen it happen, and it isn't fun at all.

[Mr. Despair]

3 hours ago, StarmanNess said:

the thread is somewhat of a justification for me (and other people) for picking wigfrid over wolfgang.

Who the **** cares about why you pick Wigfrid?

[Starlogy]

1 hour ago, Mr. Despair said:

Who the **** cares about why you pick Wigfrid?

you must be fun at parties

I'll give you a real answer though, it's to basically give valid points to "not being meta" and picking Wolfgang, which people usually scream about being better in literally every way, which is wrong.

[ClumsyPenny]

12 hours ago, StarmanNess said:

For instance, I actually like picking Wigfrid because of her diet restriction. It makes it impossible to abuse mushrooms or spam berries like you may see Wolfgangs do to keep up the mighty form. It also makes cave spelunking much more intense, as bunnymen will most likely target the Wigfrid before anyone else. Although she does miss out on a lot of OP food options such as Dragonpie or major sanity restoration foods, I rather like that about her, as instead of cheesing it with farming, I actually have to take the effort to kill spiders or other things for my meat. (Spiders are a poor example since "the effort" being used here is little to none.)

That's a fair point. I also prefer weaker characters, as it makes the game harder, thus more interesting. If I always played Wolfgang, I would quickly get bored.

In Wigfrid's case though, I don't like her because of her diet restriction. It changes the game too much by limiting you in several ways regarding food, making food more of a chore that I'd rather ignore, but I can't. Nothing bothers me more than not being able to quickly get rid of the seeds I accidentally picked up by eating them.

12 hours ago, StarmanNess said:

And honestly, I have a strong belief that she's a much better team player than Wolfgang is. With being able to craft her helmets (and her spears as early game spear replacements) and give them to people can completely change what you sink your resources into. Rather than sinking your time into getting Football Helmets and wasting Pig Skin (which isn't hard to get but you could be using them on Ham Bats instead), you could just go to a quarry and get all the supplies you need for helmets in one go.

Sure, she's a better team player. I love her helmets, especially because they have more health than football helmets, which means you need to carry less of them. Both rocks and gold are easy enough to get and not too useful for other purposes past a certain point. 

Her spear is way overrated though. As someone else pointed out, it's more expensive than a spear and doesn't change the number of hits needed to kill weaker mobs if Wigfrid isn't using it. A tentacle spike or ham bat is better for other characters.

12 hours ago, StarmanNess said:

tl;dr - Neither character is better than the other, Wigfrid is a more constant character and Wolfgang has better potential but can also perform worse than Wigfrid if they can't get food.

This isn't an accurate tl;dr. I could agree with most of your points in your post, especially because a lot of it was subjective, so I have no right to judge you for it, but now that you made an objective statement, I have to disagree. As this forum has pointlessly argued about this before, Wolfgang is better. There's nothing wrong in admitting it, this game is (for the most part) a cooperative sandbox survival. As always, the point of games is to have fun. If you're having fun by playing the weaker characters, then so be it. The game doesn't have a set goal, you create your own with your own characters and rules. I've seen people do better with Wes than players who mindlessly play Wolfgang just to be "meta".

This being said, let's try to avoid making threads like these. Sooner or later they end up with people arguing over nothing.

[Residays]

1 hour ago, Mr. Despair said:

Who the **** cares about why you pick Wigfrid?

There's something above you.

[Auth]

13 hours ago, StarmanNess said:

WX-78 having basically mod character stats by end game???

I laughed so hard my drink came out my nose.

[Superlucas1231]

15 hours ago, StarmanNess said:

For instance, I actually like picking Wigfrid because of her diet restriction. It makes it impossible to abuse mushrooms or spam berries like you may see Wolfgangs do to keep up the mighty form.

but you need berrries and other food stuff to spam meat balls with. 

And if you spawn (or find) a pig village and/or spider nest, you're good to go (in terms of "omg everything is roting because it's so easy to farm for meat after 1 week. aaaaaaa").

15 hours ago, StarmanNess said:

And honestly, I have a strong belief that she's a much better team player than Wolfgang is. 

usually, I either see Wigfrid players either solo the whole game (and died alone) or them using up reasources to make helms and spears while everyone else is freezing during winter, due to lack of Therm stone.

15 hours ago, StarmanNess said:

A lot of people consider Wigfrid to be "easy mode", especially early game. While I certantly agree on her being easy early game, late game she actually falls off quite a bit, as her quality of life stays constant the whole time while every other character goes up. 

pretty much every character has easy mode on in early game.

Wilson grows his beard to make winter easy

Willow just sits in the corner because sweet jumping angles on pogosticks going over the moon, she is one of the most,  if not, the most, unreliable characters of all time. The only charcater she is better than is Wes, and people even consider him (A CHARACTER THAT'S SUPPOST TO BE BAD, MIND YOU) better than Willow. can make teddy bears 

Wendy can spider farm with her dead sis

WX can stay at the desert to get gears and become super-saiyan-anime-ultra-final-chaos-dark-hyper-demon-modded-god tier-jesus while also surviving off of plants and i guess meat from spiders

Wickerbottom can make shovels, get every plant she sees, make backpacks for everyone, make wood armor on the go, make a spear whenever she pleases, make books, use said books to fill chests with food, wood, grass, twigs, etc, make a birdcage without even stepping into the swamps, send her lewd tentical warriors to fight spiders and junk, give Maxy canon shipp books so he can also go insane and abuse regrowth powers, pretty much be a portable science mech, and can do anything and everything better than anyone else. 'cept sleeping because sleep is for the weak. 

and so on and so forth.

and during late game, quite a few characters become useless as well.

Wilson's only ability is now irrelevant

Wendy's dead sister is now more dead and useless than ever

Food is over flowing, so spider dens and farms are now pointless.

and etcetera.

15 hours ago, StarmanNess said:

dont even get me started on wickerbottom either

CAN'T STOP THE POWER OF BOOK WAIFUE.

SHE IS BETTER THAN ALL OF THE TRASH TIER WAIFUES.

SO YOU CAN TAKE YOUR MEAT WAIFUE, SURF WAIFUE, DEAD SISTER WAIFUE, USELESS FIRE WAIFUE, SHADOW WAIFUE, AND GO EAT A BIG HOT PLATE OF WET GOOP!!!!11!!!!1!!!

okay sorry for that.

16 hours ago, StarmanNess said:

Also, I just like Wigfrid as a character more than I do Wolfgang. 

How can one deny that cut, refined, chiseled, godly, more-than-hansome face for that other...."face?"

I respect your opinion, but come on. Everyone on this thread knows that Wiggy biggy and Wolfy are peasants to the beatiful Wickerbottom-master race.

Now, if this was a thread about Willow vs. Wolfy/Wiggy, then i'll give you more brownie points

Spoiler

Especially if you can back Willow up using objectivie facts. That would be fun.

 

[KoreanWaffles]

I like Wes

[Mr Pig]

I believe that this post was very well made and shares points of the use behind both characters. I personally think that wig and wolf are more competitive than people give credit for and that to an extent there isn't really a trash piece of garbage level character in this game. Now of course I main Woodie so I'm sure someone thinks my opinion is just as non-relevant as the character I play according to popular opinion. I mean I can dream of a world where awesome posts that set up genuine points for how each character works in a team and multiplayer environment like this get some decent respect right?

[ShadyPK]

I personally just like to play as characters because I personally have fun with them or I just like them in general. I mean Wilsons usually my go to character same with say Willow or anyone else. TBH I think favorite characters are usually just a matter of preference and thats it. so play as who youlike ya know? Some people like wigfrid, some people like playing as Wes or Maxwell. 

some people like playing as modded characters too.

[LuxuryHeart]

21 hours ago, StarmanNess said:

the thread is somewhat of a justification for me (and other people) for picking wigfrid over wolfgang.

and also weren't you the guy who made the zodiac signs thread

Hardly anyone argues against picking Wigfrid though.  Most people on this forum like Wigfrid and Wolfgang anyway.  It's liking making a forum titled: "Why I play as Wes", "Why I main Wickerbottom" or "Why I prefer to play as Maxwell".  

That's more just for fun.  It's not really that serious compared to threads like this.  Most other sites have a article similar to this "zodiac signs of [random television characters]", and they are just for fun.  

[LuxuryHeart]

18 hours ago, Mr. Despair said:

Who the **** cares about why you pick Wigfrid?

Let's see how many people tear THIS guy to shreds for disregarding this post.  

[LuxuryHeart]

21 hours ago, Residays said:

You are what is wrong with people. The purpose of forums is to exchange ideas by communicating with other users, no matter what you have in mind, for as long as you follow the rules that the forum website you are using tells you to remember and, again, follow.

Keeping in mind this, I enjoy the Klei Entertainment Forums because you are basically allowed to say anything no matter what it is for as long as you don't mess with anyone, resulting in overall higher activity as there are users who don't enjoy or find difficulty on writing large elaborated posts, and even more, for example: My case which is long, serious posts get tiring quickly.

@StarmanNess Made it clear with the title and post, it's a story about a specific playstyle that he enjoys, not arguing over superiority of characters, but simply enjoying what is available.

If isn't much to ask, I would like you to please allow us continue this cheerful "silly" vibe for as long as Klei Entertainment and we live, and not make this forum a strict post-large-things-with-detail-only. It results in problems, and a huge decrease of inactivity, I've seen it happen, and it isn't fun at all.

There are plenty of threads like this.  They talk about their favorite characters and why they like them.  It's also weird that he singled out Wigfrid and Wolfgang to defend Wigfrid (a moot point since most people on here like Wigfrid anyway).

Cheerful and silly vibe on here.  lol.  Check OP's reply to me, that'll show you how much he values cheerful and silly posts.  

[Starlogy]

24 minutes ago, LuxuryHeart said:

Hardly anyone argues against picking Wigfrid though.  Most people on this forum like Wigfrid and Wolfgang anyway.  It's liking making a forum titled: "Why I play as Wes", "Why I main Wickerbottom" or "Why I prefer to play as Maxwell".  

That's more just for fun.  It's not really that serious compared to threads like this.  Most other sites have a article similar to this "zodiac signs of [random television characters]", and they are just for fun.  

what makes you think i didnt make this thread just for fun? i literally posted it to kill time, man.

and also lots of people argue that "wolfgang is better than wigfrid" and that picking wigfrid is trashy, and i'm giving my two-sense as to why i rather wig over wolf.

14 hours ago, superlucas1231 said:

Especially if you can back Willow up using objectivie facts. That would be fun.

willow has nothing to back though

[LuxuryHeart]

1 hour ago, StarmanNess said:

what makes you think i didnt make this thread just for fun? i literally posted it to kill time, man.

and also lots of people argue that "wolfgang is better than wigfrid" and that picking wigfrid is trashy, and i'm giving my two-sense as to why i rather wig over wolf.

willow has nothing to back though

Meh.  Just as many people argue for Wigfrid over Wolfgang, which makes this thread useless.  Most people on this site like both.

[Donke60]

1 hour ago, LuxuryHeart said:

Meh.  Just as many people argue for Wigfrid over Wolfgang, which makes this thread useless.  Most people on this site like both.

Why do you always magnify the Text in your posts. Also for someone who has heart in their name you're not being a very kind person

[Residays]

2 hours ago, LuxuryHeart said:

There are plenty of threads like this.  They talk about their favorite characters and why they like them.  It's also weird that he singled out Wigfrid and Wolfgang to defend Wigfrid (a moot point since most people on here like Wigfrid anyway).

Have you forgotten both Wolfgang and Wigfrid rely on hunger and fighting playstyles?

Cheerful and silly vibe on here.  lol.  Check OP's reply to me, that'll show you how much he values cheerful and silly posts. 

This doesn't answer my post. You are basically justifying yourself because another person did the same in your point of view.

Multiple people doing wrong things doesn't mean it's right, I'm talking to you, not @StarmanNess.