EuedeAdodooedoe Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 I and I'm sure many others are boggled about what has been happening recently. So many issues that have been reported countless times have still not been fixed, even though they have been there for a long time and isn't something that would be extremepy difficult to fix (I might not be a professional in programming, though I know enough to tell that things like pengull respawning wouldn't be too difficult to fix). So what is going on Klei? I know yoy have priorities, but why in the hell, for instance, would it be more important to release a new game instead of fixing issues currently known which are being shouted about quite literally in an existing game? Why would it be more important to release a DLC on another platform (console) than it would be fixing the still-existant issues, in particular the huge, game-changing ones for the PC version (for Shipwrecked there's the bug where Volcano appeasement doesn't save when you exit volcano, there's the bug where upon world-hopping through Seaworthy from RoG/Vanilla to Shipwrecked worlds and vice versa messes up with day count)? I'm just confused about these priorities, because lately it seems you're prioritizing releasing new content instead of fixing what already exists FIRST. If you continue doing that, you'll be left with a huge amount of stuff that has potential but is half-baked and Shipwrecked so far has been the biggest demonstration of this (although Capy were the ones that worked on it, it was a collaboration as I understand it or at least how you showed it to be, so wouldn't some of you have at least some decent in-depth understanding of various mechanics and such about it to a point where you can fix things?). We were first getting less and less larger updates, now we're getting less and less hotfixes. What next? Less and less DLCs and games in general? Seriously Klei; what is going on?! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69279-what-is-going-on-klei/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asparagus Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Because releasing new games and expanding to consoles will bring in funds that will be used to pay the people who'll fix the bugs in DS and DST which have already been sold and are no longer generating revenue (except from the little income they get from skins bought and sold in the steam market)? Free updates for games that are not generating money after being sold to the consumer... Huh... feels oddly familiar... to an old thread... Buy Klei products and support them! Chester Plushies!! Don't Starve Dolls/Actionfigures/Figurines! T-shirts, paper towels, cutting boards!! ... And so the words "B2P, F2P, and, Micro-transactions" echoed through the air... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69279-what-is-going-on-klei/#findComment-799286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReubuxxInc Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 you know, i have seen you floating around, and trust me, you don't have to say the same thing repeatedly, klei is aware of the problems. Now lets see, what have klei been doing with all this free time? Through the ages (I hope) will all be released at once. Not in fragments. Hot lava, although I have not been keeping up to date on that. Oxygen not included Releasing Don't starve on every other console. Making sure Don't starve together actually works on ps4. Any other secrets they have been keeping as of right now, yes there could have been more bugs fixed on both DST and shipwrecked, but i am glad both work without my computer exploding. It's the little victories that count. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69279-what-is-going-on-klei/#findComment-799287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EuedeAdodooedoe Posted August 1, 2016 Author Share Posted August 1, 2016 @ReubuxxInc I have not "said the same thing" all the time. This is the first time I actually thought a bit about what's been going on and thought it would be important to make a topic about it. @Asparagus well in that case, based on what you've said Klei is pretty corrupt then. ******* glorious Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69279-what-is-going-on-klei/#findComment-799291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asparagus Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 21 minutes ago, EuedeAdodooedoe said: @Asparagus well in that case, based on what you've said Klei is pretty corrupt then. ******* glorious What would be your definition of corrupt? Klei can't have it's employees paid in what little love the forum people give them now-a-days... or at all... keep in mind they're still a small indie company... most Klei employees are parents... they have families to feed... people expect content and work from them without factoring the humans behind the computer screen making them... corrupt is far from what we would consider Klei... DST comes in a pack of 2 mind you... that's 2 copies of 1 game for the price of 1... and after the product gets sold, nada... and yet they keep updating the game and will still have an expansion coming... corrupt would not be the term I would use... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-46yR1dDXE Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69279-what-is-going-on-klei/#findComment-799294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluesyBuesy Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 I can see where this thread is going, so here's a happy photo to calm everybody down: Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69279-what-is-going-on-klei/#findComment-799295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hezel Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 53 minutes ago, Asparagus said: Because releasing new games and expanding to consoles will bring in funds that will be used to pay the people who'll fix the bugs in DS and DST which have already been sold and are no longer generating revenue (except from the little income they get from skins bought and sold in the steam market)? Free updates for games that are not generating money after being sold to the consumer... DS and DST were still selling really well last time I had info on the subject. (Although the large majority of DST owners had it for free because they were already owning a copy of DS) Both games are still definitely generating revenue, but they would generate even more if the game hadn't been given completely for free; or if TTA came in spring 2015 like it was originally supposed to, or if SW Dlc was a little more expensive. Pretty nonsensical when you think the acid Beefalo was 75$ on the Klei store. There's definitely something lousy about the way Klei handles marketting and game developping in general. When we first heard about beefalo riding being worked on, they told us they already had been on it for 4 months. Now with SW same story happens, they timidly release a bug fix 3 months after that barely adresses some issues, and after that nothing. Klei are very compliant, but sometimes this very candid nature is why they let their customers down; in more ways than one. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69279-what-is-going-on-klei/#findComment-799296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asparagus Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 8 minutes ago, Hezel said: DS and DST were still selling really well last time I had info on the subject. (Although the large majority of DST owners had it for free because they were already owning a copy of DS) Both games are still definitely generating revenue, but they would generate even more if the game hadn't been given completely for free; or if TTA came in spring 2015 like it was originally supposed to, or if SW Dlc was a little more expensive. Pretty nonsensical when you think the acid Beefalo was 75$ on the Klei store. There's definitely something lousy about the way Klei handles marketting and general game developping direction. When we first heard about beefalo riding being worked on, they told us they already had been on it for 4 months. Now with SW same story happens, they timidly release a bug fix 3 months after that barely adresses some issues, and after that nothing. Klei are very compliant, but sometimes this very candid nature is why they let their customers down; in more ways than one. Fair enough... but yeah, free copies and what not and helping out a fellow indie company with a collaboration... I guess a detailed report on Klei Entertainment's finances would be a bit much... I can't argue about the marketing part... sorry Klei... though to be fair, getting it out there would still require money in the first place... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69279-what-is-going-on-klei/#findComment-799298 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asparagus Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 1 hour ago, ReubuxxInc said: you know, i have seen you floating around, and trust me, you don't have to say the same thing repeatedly, klei is aware of the problems. 54 minutes ago, EuedeAdodooedoe said: @ReubuxxInc I have not "said the same thing" all the time. This is the first time I actually thought a bit about what's been going on and thought it would be important to make a topic about it. http://forums.kleientertainment.com/topic/69004-my-reaction-to-shipwrecked-coming-soon-to-xbox-one/ Just pointing out it out... I think there are more posts to the same tone... which would have people think of your posts as being similar... this one would just be a compilation of all of them into one manageable package... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69279-what-is-going-on-klei/#findComment-799308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1v0 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 My guess is they want to release it to console , then add TtA to PC and consoles this way when TtA is announced and released more ppl will buy the game (both PC and console owners) . For Oxygen not included ... I'm not really sure where that game will go ... as far as I know DS/DST is Klei most famous game it would be good for them to focus on it before starting something new . And I can't see ppl playing DS/DST buying oxygen not included its just too different . But leaving money and consoles apart . Klei really should make a post about TtA all of us want information about it and it's strange that they keep radio silence about the subject . It's unlike them to keep silent for such a long time . That makes me worried about the DLC ... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69279-what-is-going-on-klei/#findComment-799316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarovSoap Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 I'll just leave this here: Please read and you will further understand that regular updates are not really going to be a thing anymore in terms of Don't Starve. Klei is a small team working with very limited funds and resources that must be directed towards their current projects. Edit: I should also mention that there was a point where a great majority of the forums opposed a multiplayer version entirely, so be glad there is one at all. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69279-what-is-going-on-klei/#findComment-799336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarovSoap Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69279-what-is-going-on-klei/#findComment-799344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginosaji Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 1 hour ago, BarovSoap said: I'll just leave this here: Please read and you will further understand that regular updates are not really going to be a thing anymore in terms of Don't Starve. Klei is a small team working with very limited funds and resources that must be directed towards their current projects. Edit: I should also mention that there was a point where a great majority of the forums opposed a multiplayer version entirely, so be glad there is one at all. i don't understand what this post has to do with nowadays devolopent activities. that announcement is 3! years old. at that time we didn't know about ROG, we didn't know about DST and ofcourse we also didn't know about SW. what the announcement was about was that the initial free support after launching through early access is now over. so? it has been mentioned that expansions are still going to be a thing. the latest announced expansion is Through the Ages which was supposed to come out last year. so there really is a valid point in asking whats happening at klei if you concider that it was announced for end of spring 2015 or whatever it was. on the other hand i do believe that klei should take all the time they need to deliver a good expansion pack but it cant hurt to let the community know what they're up to in a new road map post. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69279-what-is-going-on-klei/#findComment-799353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altehaus Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 12 minutes ago, Ginosaji said: it cant hurt to let the community know what they're up to in a new road map post. This. This I can very comfortably agree with. A new roadmap could even serve as something we'd link whoever brought this question up again to and cut shorter this discussion that has been had over and over again these days. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69279-what-is-going-on-klei/#findComment-799355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adura Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 They need to pull a TF2 and release more hats. But, that might lead them to releasing a broken matchmaking system... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69279-what-is-going-on-klei/#findComment-799359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PanAzej Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 15 minutes ago, Adura said: They need to pull a TF2 and release more hats. But, that might lead them to releasing a broken matchmaking system... TtA is actually a matchmaking update. PvP rework! Get matched based on your skill against your opponents! Serverside modding is not supported anymore! Pure skill-based gameplay! Clientside mods (HUD, map icons) locked on Official Servers! Useless items nerfed so they don't have any use anymore, random changes made to random items, Wes vs. Maxwell "war" update confirmed. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69279-what-is-going-on-klei/#findComment-799360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EuedeAdodooedoe Posted August 1, 2016 Author Share Posted August 1, 2016 4 hours ago, Asparagus said: http://forums.kleientertainment.com/topic/69004-my-reaction-to-shipwrecked-coming-soon-to-xbox-one/ Just pointing out it out... I think there are more posts to the same tone... which would have people think of your posts as being similar... this one would just be a compilation of all of them into one manageable package... That topic was talking about SW alone. And what the heck?! I was trying to write this one as politely as I could yet still I was seen as some ****** who just needs to shut up. Well thanks a lot, guys Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69279-what-is-going-on-klei/#findComment-799363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathem99 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 " but why in the hell, for instance, would it be more important to release a new game instead of fixing issues currently known" YES Fix DST and DS then make another game! It's like they've given up on DST and DS (like they haven't already...) and they are focusing on a new game NO, JUST NO! FIX DST AND DS THEN FOCUS ON ANOTHER GAME! GOD DAMN IT! ALSO WHY THE HELL DID MY POST GOT PUTTED TWICE?! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69279-what-is-going-on-klei/#findComment-799368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altehaus Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 8 minutes ago, mathem99 said: Fix DST and DS then make another game! It's like they've given up on DST and DS (like they haven't already...) and they are focusing on a new game NO, JUST NO! FIX DST AND DS THEN FOCUS ON ANOTHER GAME! GOD DAMN IT! Let me respond to that with another quote 6 hours ago, Asparagus said: releasing new games and expanding to consoles will bring in funds that will be used to pay the people who'll fix the bugs in DS and DST and the auto double-posting thing is a bug, don't sweat about it, you can hide your second post using the "Options" button. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69279-what-is-going-on-klei/#findComment-799369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PanAzej Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 6 minutes ago, mathem99 said: " but why in the hell, for instance, would it be more important to release a new game instead of fixing issues currently known" YES Fix DST and DS then make another game! It's like they've given up on DST and DS (like they haven't already...) and they are focusing on a new game NO, JUST NO! FIX DST AND DS THEN FOCUS ON ANOTHER GAME! GOD DAMN IT! DST is not that broken, honestly. Well, actually... The most broken thing is rubberbanding. I don't care about any other stuff being kinda "broken". You either disable movement prediction or have a bad time. Or play on LAN. DS on the other hand... Oh my. Especially Shipwrecked. I'm not even poking it with a stick anymore. It either needs a completely new engine or I don't know... A major coding overhaul? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69279-what-is-going-on-klei/#findComment-799370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathem99 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 7 minutes ago, Altehaus said: Let me respond to that with another quote So we'll have to wait until they release Oxygen Not Included and Floor is lava? Well this is gonna take a loooooooooooooooooooooooooong time... BTW. they can make a fundraiser or something. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69279-what-is-going-on-klei/#findComment-799371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altehaus Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 13 minutes ago, mathem99 said: So we'll have to wait until they release Oxygen Not Included and Floor is lava? Yes and no. If you mean we'll have to wait until those games are released to get support for DS and DST, no. If you mean we'll have to wait until those games are released to get better focus on DS and DST, maybe. Their working on other games does not completely hinder their capability of working on Don't Starve, it just takes a chunk of it and applies that into other projects. We didn't stop receiving news from them regarding DS, it just has been slower and less substantial than before, which is to be expected from an indie company with a lot in its hands. These new projects, however, secure future funding, which gives them safety to offer better support for previously existing games, even if they don't or hardly make a penny from that. 13 minutes ago, mathem99 said: BTW. they can make a fundraiser or something. And how does that in any way provide as much money as releasing a full new game? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69279-what-is-going-on-klei/#findComment-799374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathem99 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 BTW. @Altehaus @Asparagus Don't Starve Together is the 51th Top Games By Current Player Count with 7,555 players.... how just HOW are they low on funds? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69279-what-is-going-on-klei/#findComment-799375 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1v0 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 15 minutes ago, mathem99 said: So we'll have to wait until they release Oxygen Not Included and Floor is lava? Well this is gonna take a loooooooooooooooooooooooooong time... BTW. they can make a fundraiser or something. I seriously hope not ... TtA got delayed too much as it is ... As for SW ... welllll that DLC is forgotten I have it played it on release and updates and now waiting for DST ... In my opinion the best option for it is to be ported in DST and fixed in it / or a big update so it looks more finished . Let's hope they have different teams for the new games and for DS/DST . Anyway we really need to hear something from a RED at this point all we can do is guess about it . Any news would be appreciated bad or good . Even if TtA got delayed , is better to know that it got delayed than expect it to come soon and never get it . Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69279-what-is-going-on-klei/#findComment-799376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathem99 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 11 minutes ago, Altehaus said: And how does that in any way provide as much money as releasing a full new game? Because there are a ****load of people who play DST? Let's say approx. the DST community is 200 people (and I'm not even over exaggerating) and each one donates 5$ They'll get 1,000$! And there may be people who donate 20$+ And there are surely not only 200 players in dst.... I just used an example! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69279-what-is-going-on-klei/#findComment-799377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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