How Skins Could've Been "Innocent" and Trade Inn Discussion

[leonseye]

22 minutes ago, RalphKastro said:

Your entire idea has only one base flaw: What's the point of playing games(or doing anything in general) if you can't look dapper while doing it?

lol, yes, I understand that sentiment.

But nobody said you can't look dapper while doing it.  You just can't look dapper immediately while doing it, but the more you play, the more dapper you'll become.

19 minutes ago, thegreatmanagement said:

 

He has a point - what's wrong with wanting to get the fullest experience you can? Sure, maybe it works even if you don't have as many skins as everyone else, but it'd surely be nice to know you had the same opportunities as everyone else in order to get them apart from as an incredibly rare in-game drop (not by buying them, as some people don't have the money to do that) 

I really hate to be the one to break this to you, but there is literally no point where everybody has the exact "same opportunities as everyone else" as soon as trading was allowed.

Some started getting drops in October while others only started getting them recently; that's not the same opportunities.  Some have a lot more time to play than others, giving them more drops overall... that's could also be considered "unfair" to some.  Still others have tons of friends and network well, giving them way more opportunities to get free and cheap skins than loners.

And yes, some people make more money than others and have disposable incomes, it's true.  Is it unfair that Joe Happy owns more video games than you as well?

If you guys want to trade these things at all and get skins faster than the game is coded to give them to you, then you will simply have to accept that no matter what, there is going to be someone that perceives the situation as "unfair".  The idea is to make it as fair to the most people as possible.

Steam marketplace is an impartial system that will list previous prices and is far more transparent than the current system, as well as using a currency that is far more widespread than obscure TF2 keys or asking you to trade skins that you don't have to get skins that you don't have.

Right now, people don't know going rates and are preyed upon by scammers who know full well that they are taking advantage of newbs.  On top of that, a lot of people don't bother w/ TF2, how is it fair to them that people will only sell skins for currency from an entirely different video game that they don't play?

[thegreatmanagement]

4 minutes ago, leonseye said:

lol, yes, I understand that sentiment.

But nobody said you can't look dapper while doing it.  You just can't look dapper immediately while doing it, but the more you play, the more dapper you'll become.

I really hate to be the one to break this to you, but there is literally no point where everybody has the exact "same opportunities as everyone else" as soon as trading was allowed.

Some started getting drops in October while others only started getting them recently; that's not the same opportunities.  Some have a lot more time to play than others, giving them more drops overall... that's could also be considered "unfair" to some.  Still others have tons of friends and network well, giving them way more opportunities to get free and cheap skins than loners.

And yes, some people make more money than others and have disposable incomes, it's true.  Is it unfair that Joe Happy owns more video games than you as well?

If you guys want to trade these things at all and get skins faster than the game is coded to give them to you, then you will simply have to accept that no matter what, there is going to be someone that perceives the situation as "unfair".  The idea is to make it as fair to the most people as possible.

Steam marketplace is an impartial system that will list previous prices and is far more transparent than the current system, as well as using a currency that is far more widespread than obscure TF2 keys or asking you to trade skins that you don't have to get skins that you don't have.

That is true though. I can acknowledge that we all will never have the same opportunities, but if we could give everyone a fairer opportunity, that would also work. However you go about with a fairer opportunity though that's what everyone will debate. 

[thegreatmanagement]

7 minutes ago, werlpolf said:

As a business man you ve always to calculate the your price, which is already a discounted price. Means, if you go to a supermarket and gets some discount on something, then the shop still makes win. Discounts are an idea to motivate buyer to buy more (quantity discount) or to buy regularly. Klei would still make win

 

Thats right and actually I didn't thought of it. But I think the prices between private people on steam will be stabilized like many here have also said it. Means the prices will be near the discounted prices - somtimes higher somtimes lower.

yeah, I too. I wanted to provoke a little to show how I see the skin trading. I tried to apply the skin scenario (getting skins over time while playing) on the whole DST game (getting game functions (including skins) over time while playing)

 

exactly, my opinion.

 

It is quite rare, difficult to make false copies. easy to recognise, does not change over long time (resistent not burnable) and easy to trade because its handy. I think it didn't sit just on the ground and now currently it is a good alternativ in saving some furtune, because paper (debt) money is actually nothing worth, espeacially when a states economy goes down. Happened alot in the past, is happening even in some european countries, ... but thats off topic. You can compare the skins with some oil paintings and other art objects. Difference is only the value.

 

only because it is worth for someone something, you don't need to think of your own gain. If you see a loss in giving your (free) item away, then you can get something from him, too, which he also got for free (another skin for example). Not everything should be tradable with eachother. Some things in our life cannot be bought with money and thats actually very good! How much do you value Linux? Or Firefox? Or Libre Office, Java, OpenSSL, ....?

 

yes, its unfair that 3rd parties gain win while the producer gets nothing from it. But I was wronged. Steam trading let producers also participate on the trade.

 

I could quote from the bible... but thats off topic XD. You don't need to give everything for free. You got some things for free and you can give other people also something, for what they are interested in. But that's philosophy. You guys can trade with the skins, I fully understand it. But I don't encourage it.

1. That's flawed logic though. Discounts are made by the store by the store's discretion; that's why they work. Stores do discounts because lowering the price means more demand - there's a logic in it you know. Individual buyers and sellers on the Steam market don't work like that - there's no reason to just simply sell at a "discount" from the market price to someone so it's not going to happen. 

2. So if prices are going to stabilize anyway, what's the use of the "card" you talk about? 

3-4. n/a 

5. Back when gold was abundant because people didn't value it yet is what I'm talking about. Also in some places it wasn't quite rare when people didn't mine/extract it yet - it literally just sat in some rivers (Sacramento, Klondike river) These all applied when people weren't there to pick it up yet of course. And at those times too, gold was a valuable thing people looked for - they just didn't know it was at that place. 

6. But the thing about that logic is that you can't assume they'd give you something too - that's an assumption, and one that I think doesn't have any reasoning behind it. You can't just expect something for free from someone just because you'd do it. In a way about your examples of Linux and Firefox and those services - you do a service in exchange to get them. You give them web traffic (firefox and java) and downloading their product can lead to you generating revenue through seeing ads, giving customer feedback, and buying other services that they sell. Nothing is ever totally free. Linux isn't free either - it's price wise free but what they gain from giving it to you is your additions to Linux and what you develop with their software. 

7. I think you glanced my point - I was saying that producers don't get anything from trading, but it still should be done anyway because it benefits us still. Our playing of the game and spreading its products are a service to Klei already. Not all gain we contribute has to be monetary (we all also bought the game already too - that's a contribution) 

8. A lot of people wouldn't agree with your philosophy already, because I don't. I see things economically and with incentives, and that's how most people see things too - we need reasons to do things. 

[leonseye]

22 minutes ago, thegreatmanagement said:

That is true though. I can acknowledge that we all will never have the same opportunities, but if we could give everyone a fairer opportunity, that would also work. However you go about with a fairer opportunity though that's what everyone will debate. 

Agreed on this.  : )

I lean toward a more transparent system, and Steam already has one set up, so that seems like a pretty simple segue.

But I'm not opposed to other options if those are equally as transparent and accessible to as many players as the marketplace.

[Fidooop]

Could somebody who's been keeping up provide a short summary of the more important things stated from the last 3 pages for me?

[Mikeadatrix]

3 hours ago, Fidooop said:

Could somebody who's been keeping up provide a short summary of the more important things stated from the last 3 pages for me?

Same... I'm really on edge.. and I need to get some Work done.

[WriteOff]

6 hours ago, Fidooop said:

Could somebody who's been keeping up provide a short summary of the more important things stated from the last 3 pages for me?

 

2 hours ago, Mikeadatrix said:

Same... I'm really on edge.. and I need to get some Work done.

Same old debate, no matter how the penny drops, some will be overjoyed, and the others will be dismayed.

No matter what happens this thread was a great read!

[Asparagus]

9 hours ago, thegreatmanagement said:

He has a point - what's wrong with wanting to get the fullest experience you can? Sure, maybe it works even if you don't have as many skins as everyone else, but it'd surely be nice to know you had the same opportunities as everyone else in order to get them apart from as an incredibly rare in-game drop (not by buying them, as some people don't have the money to do that) 

(I think @RalphKastro was being sarcastic... or half-sarcastic :3 )

I want a few to take the time and look at the picture... (EDIT: Ignore the fact that these 3 shlubs are watching a baseball game for free while there are people who actually paid to watc-- oh... wait... ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) I do not need to spell it out, right?)

8 hours ago, Fidooop said:

Could somebody who's been keeping up provide a short summary of the more important things stated from the last 3 pages for me?

@Fidooop, c'mon man T__T I thought I was the lazier one...

I clarified and summarized some points here:

Then the topic shifted somewhat to other points regarding-- oh just read the pages... O__O

[CassieCroft]

I don't really have time to read the entire thread at this moment, but I only just found out about the upcoming marketability of the skins. This greatly disappoints me. Perhaps the reason they have decided to do this though is because a lot of trades are involving TF2 keys. If I were Klei I would be disappointed that another game is getting funds from people buying keys to simply trade for a DST item. So I can understand where they are coming from.

I also think that the Trade Inn is pretty useless now. 9 to 1 is a huge ratio. 

Quite sad and disappointed.

I get so frustrated by the skins. I just like the look of the goh heads - but I do enjoy my common skirts just as much as my distinguished items. I am very lucky getting two. But there are people out there who have lots and when you play with them they just spend a lot of time bragging about it. I know you can just ignore it but it gets of my goat. haha.

[t0panka]

@CassieCroft may i ask where are people bragging about skins? Because i play last couple months almost exclusively and every day on those big public servers and i never seen people bragging about some skins. Griefers yes time to time, people checking other people outfits yes almost all the time, but i never met anyone that was bragging about skins tho. Im just curious and also surprised about this. Also what they say? "Hey everyone check out my tuxedo"? O.o

Thanks for answer!

[CassieCroft]

@t0panka I would rather not publically state it because I dont want enemies lol. But a particular example was a person who game in with full goh and distinguished set and I commented saying how nice it looked and they said thanks but then went on to list every goh or distinguished item they had and talk about how people were feeding them skins from other accounts etc. The way they say it is just very braggy. It's the tone etc. It's hard to explain haha

[t0panka]

@CassieCroft  i know who is that guy

Anyway i thought you are meeting with this behaviour regularly. This guy in one bad example from 1000 good people that doesnt need to brag about free skins (which they get from someone else for free anyway) and same goes with those traders that are extreme "sharks" ... you can count them on 1 hand. There is another 10k people playing this game.

Kleis great community (best i ever seen) does mirror on this game and servers. There are really only few exceptions and those will be here one way or another. It is much much much much worse in other multiplayer games i played and i am really glad that i am part of this amazing community. So lets not make decisions and assumptions about future only because of few outsiders that are griefing or cheating or iddling or doing bad trades or bragging about items .)

[werlpolf]

16 hours ago, thegreatmanagement said:

1. That's flawed logic though. Discounts are made by the store by the store's discretion; that's why they work. Stores do discounts because lowering the price means more demand - there's a logic in it you know. Individual buyers and sellers on the Steam market don't work like that - there's no reason to just simply sell at a "discount" from the market price to someone so it's not going to happen. 

2. So if prices are going to stabilize anyway, what's the use of the "card" you talk about? 

3-4. n/a 

5. Back when gold was abundant because people didn't value it yet is what I'm talking about. Also in some places it wasn't quite rare when people didn't mine/extract it yet - it literally just sat in some rivers (Sacramento, Klondike river) These all applied when people weren't there to pick it up yet of course. And at those times too, gold was a valuable thing people looked for - they just didn't know it was at that place. 

6. But the thing about that logic is that you can't assume they'd give you something too - that's an assumption, and one that I think doesn't have any reasoning behind it. You can't just expect something for free from someone just because you'd do it. In a way about your examples of Linux and Firefox and those services - you do a service in exchange to get them. You give them web traffic (firefox and java) and downloading their product can lead to you generating revenue through seeing ads, giving customer feedback, and buying other services that they sell. Nothing is ever totally free. Linux isn't free either - it's price wise free but what they gain from giving it to you is your additions to Linux and what you develop with their software. 

7. I think you glanced my point - I was saying that producers don't get anything from trading, but it still should be done anyway because it benefits us still. Our playing of the game and spreading its products are a service to Klei already. Not all gain we contribute has to be monetary (we all also bought the game already too - that's a contribution) 

8. A lot of people wouldn't agree with your philosophy already, because I don't. I see things economically and with incentives, and that's how most people see things too - we need reasons to do things.

1. omg. Don't you guys discuss so much in this thread now about how the prices will change, if A, B or C is happening?? Discounts without a price calculation or interest in a win are a flaw! You ve to calculate them into your costs and win. Private people won't of course give discounts, but they will apply their own prices to the markets ones and the skins sold with discounts DOES matter in their own prices.

2. The use of card is, that you are going to give some money to Klei for a skin. These skins will then have a real, economic value, because you need to invest money in it. It is a way that the money flows to Klei and not to the idlers (only). Besides additional effort in getting the skins, there is no difference in cards and getting the skins directly, which will be tradeable.

5. This is not important how rare gold is, was and what the definition of rarity is in context of gold. Everything is relative. But thanks for the background information

6. It is sad, when I read such things. You are thinking in a very naive way and talking with your half knowledge alot of ********. No offense, but the developers deserve more respect than these derogative statements. Please everyone, do some research, maybe visit their websites or google or just use wikipedia to find out, how they finance themselves and why for example Google is spending so much money. It is quite complex, but you don't need to understand everything. At least just stop talking that way. How about you work at Intel, Google, Mozilla,... and develop some Kernel drivers. Maybe one day you ll meet such guy like you talking this ... to you. If you think the developers, managers or administrators care in an economical way how popular their open source software is or if you contribute to it, then you are definitely mislead. Its the people and the demand and interest in having fun in understanding and participating on international projects. It is not for honor, but it is also not for big money. And especially not by 'getting' web traffic, lol. I even don't wanna know how someone come to that idea, that projects make profits in developing free software by 'getting' web traffic to their servers. If you want something for free, then develop your own operating system!

7. Exactly, but it is not your and not mine decision about this. We also don't take any risk in what we are suggesting here. Maybe the costs of the skins aren't worth that work to make them buyable, but only tradable with other people. Maybe it will be fine with the trading for Klei. If Klei would follow your logic in making a price for something, that someone like to get - especially when Klei has costs for it unlike the idlers, then the skins would be buyable by now. I tell it again: many people are ready to pay money for it! Its your own logic, that in this case you would make a price for the demanding skins. About the not-monetary contribution we can only speculate, but it is again very naive thinking, that it will bring a higher profit for Klei. Pay to win games are always not interesting for the most people, but this applies same to the skins, which will/are tradable with real money. Maybe not intensive like on real pay to win games but similarly. I don't want to discuss this point with you. Klei will make a good, 'middleway' decision

8. You see things in a win-lose situation. Thinking of your own profit. This will make you unseccussfull. Klei avoid it by not pricing the skins. Actually you guys can do what you like. Its your money and time anyway.

 

[Mikeadatrix]

4 hours ago, t0panka said:

@CassieCroft  i know who is that guy

Anyway i thought you are meeting with this behaviour regularly. This guy in one bad example from 1000 good people that doesnt need to brag about free skins (which they get from someone else for free anyway) and same goes with those traders that are extreme "sharks" ... you can count them on 1 hand. There is another 10k people playing this game.

Kleis great community (best i ever seen) does mirror on this game and servers. There are really only few exceptions and those will be here one way or another. It is much much much much worse in other multiplayer games i played and i am really glad that i am part of this amazing community. So lets not make decisions and assumptions about future only because of few outsiders that are griefing or cheating or iddling or doing bad trades or bragging about items .)

Oh dude that sounds gnarly... I'd hate to meet that guy. 

[Mikeadatrix]

3 hours ago, werlpolf said:

I don't want to discuss this point with you. Klei will make a good, 'middleway' decision

 

 

Let's hope..... I have all faith in them.

[werlpolf]

36 minutes ago, Mikeadatrix said:

Let's hope..... I have all faith in them.

yeah, I hope not to ve been to hard to you guys especially to @thegreatmanagement - sorry for that

[Mikeadatrix]

Just now, werlpolf said:

yeah, I hope not to ve been to hard to you guys especially to @thegreatmanagement - sorry for that

We're good.... Just... I thought this would maybe get 40 replies... Whew XDDD

[thegreatmanagement]

4 hours ago, werlpolf said:

1. omg. Don't you guys discuss so much in this thread now about how the prices will change, if A, B or C is happening?? Discounts without a price calculation or interest in a win are a flaw! You ve to calculate them into your costs and win. Private people won't of course give discounts, but they will apply their own prices to the markets ones and the skins sold with discounts DOES matter in their own prices.

2. The use of card is, that you are going to give some money to Klei for a skin. These skins will then have a real, economic value, because you need to invest money in it. It is a way that the money flows to Klei and not to the idlers (only). Besides additional effort in getting the skins, there is no difference in cards and getting the skins directly, which will be tradeable.

5. This is not important how rare gold is, was and what the definition of rarity is in context of gold. Everything is relative. But thanks for the background information

6. It is sad, when I read such things. You are thinking in a very naive way and talking with your half knowledge alot of ********. No offense, but the developers deserve more respect than these derogative statements. Please everyone, do some research, maybe visit their websites or google or just use wikipedia to find out, how they finance themselves and why for example Google is spending so much money. It is quite complex, but you don't need to understand everything. At least just stop talking that way. How about you work at Intel, Google, Mozilla,... and develop some Kernel drivers. Maybe one day you ll meet such guy like you talking this ... to you. If you think the developers, managers or administrators care in an economical way how popular their open source software is or if you contribute to it, then you are definitely mislead. Its the people and the demand and interest in having fun in understanding and participating on international projects. It is not for honor, but it is also not for big money. And especially not by 'getting' web traffic, lol. I even don't wanna know how someone come to that idea, that projects make profits in developing free software by 'getting' web traffic to their servers. If you want something for free, then develop your own operating system!

7. Exactly, but it is not your and not mine decision about this. We also don't take any risk in what we are suggesting here. Maybe the costs of the skins aren't worth that work to make them buyable, but only tradable with other people. Maybe it will be fine with the trading for Klei. If Klei would follow your logic in making a price for something, that someone like to get - especially when Klei has costs for it unlike the idlers, then the skins would be buyable by now. I tell it again: many people are ready to pay money for it! Its your own logic, that in this case you would make a price for the demanding skins. About the not-monetary contribution we can only speculate, but it is again very naive thinking, that it will bring a higher profit for Klei. Pay to win games are always not interesting for the most people, but this applies same to the skins, which will/are tradable with real money. Maybe not intensive like on real pay to win games but similarly. I don't want to discuss this point with you. Klei will make a good, 'middleway' decision

8. You see things in a win-lose situation. Thinking of your own profit. This will make you unseccussfull. Klei avoid it by not pricing the skins. Actually you guys can do what you like. Its your money and time anyway.

 

1. I don't think I get what you're saying because of how English sorry :/ either that or you didn't see my point.

2. If klei is giving us the gift card doesn't that mean the money comes from them? ...

6. that's not derogatory in any way? did you read what I said? And also maybe I have researched them? How do you think companies are in business if they don't collect a direct revenue? They get it from other sources... Also it's a fact that things that grow only grow because they are gaining from the people who use them... There's nothing rude about that. Being rude is calling someone ignorant and rude without fully getting what they're saying...

7. Thats opinion based so I'll just leave alone. If you disagree you disagree. 

8. People act for the most part to benefit themselves. It's win lose, but there are different systems that can help the most parties possibly have a "win". That's all I'm saying; just because one party is happy doesn't mean others can't.

 

[Snowhusky5]

I can't believe people are so polarized about virtual clothes that this thread is 11 pages long

[Mikeadatrix]

19 minutes ago, Snowhusky5 said:

I can't believe people are so polarized about virtual clothes that this thread is 11 pages long

Ehh. Guess people care. That's why I amde it ;D

[ailailou]

Wolfgang GoH is $12 on the steam market. *smh*

I'm the unluckiest bastard yet after 5 months of playing the game I get my first elegant drop, a Webber GoH.

Webber GoH is $6 on the steam market.

I really want to trade my Webber GoH for Wolfgang GoH because I never play webber however I love playing Wolfgang. The skins have been marketable for a few months now so people have an idea for how much items are listed, prices which are worthless in my eyes for I have opposed marketability since the beginning. I make a post on the trading subforum or on steam trading discussion. [H] Webber GoH [W] Wolfgang GoH, thinking I will just find someone who loves webber and has a wolfgang goh.

A few minutes later I get some posts:

"Bruh u mad do u check the market Wolfgang is worth double!"

"No offense, but you're a noob at trading for thinking you'll get a 12 dollar item for your 6 bucks webber goh"

"2015 wants his oldman back 1:1 days are long over mate, I'll trade you a wolfgang goh if you add 5 keyz"

"Your webber gof + 1 dst copy for my duplicate wolfgang goh? I need another copy of dst to farm some more for my fam you know"

The few people who were willing to do a 1:1 elegant with me read the comments and check the market only to realize they can sell their Wolfgang GoH, buy a Webber GoH and still have some cash left, while I'm left with my Webber GoH gaining dust in my inventory unless I sell it for 5-6 bucks and add the same amount from my steam wallet to afford a Wolfgang GoH, which I'm never willing to do, because paying real money for just one piece of virtual clothing that has a higher price tag than the game itself is freaking crazy in my books.

Seeing the situation I check my steam friend list for my good ol' dst traders. I send a couple of trade offers, they all get refused, cause my goh is worth less on the steam market -> I'm a cheapskate for even daring to offer 1:1 trade on same rarity.

I give up and go back monkeying around in the game only to swear whenever I see a spider for it reminds me how poorly the skins chapter has been managed.

 

[t0panka]

12 minutes ago, ailailou said:

Wolfgang GoH is $12 on the steam market. *smh*

I'm the unluckiest bastard yet after 5 months of playing the game I get my first elegant drop, a Webber GoH.

Webber GoH is $6 on the steam market.

I really want to trade my Webber GoH for Wolfgang GoH because I love playing Wolfgang. The skins have been marketable for a few months now so people have an idea for how much items are listed, prices which are worthless in my eyes because I opposed marketability since the beginning. I make a post on the trading subforum or on steam trading discussion. [H] Webber GoH [W] Wolfgang GoH, thinking I will just find someone who loves webber and has a wolfgang goh.

A few minutes later I get some posts:

"Bruh u mad do u check the market Wolfgang is worth double!"

"No offense, but you're a noob at trading for thinking you'll get a 12 dollar item for your 6 bucks webber goh"

"2015 wants his oldman back 1:1 days are long over mate, I'll trade you a wolfgang goh if you add 5 keyz"

"Your webber gof + 1 dst copy for my duplicate wolfgang goh? I need another copy of dst to farm some more for my fam you know"

The few people who were willing to do a 1:1 elegant with me read the comments and check the market only to realize they can sell their Wolfgang GoH, buy a Webber GoH and still have some cash left, while I'm left with my Webber GoH gaining dust in my inventory unless I sell it for 5-6 bucks and add the same amount from my steam wallet to afford a Wolfgang GoH, which I'm never willing to do, because paying real money for just one piece of virtual clothing that has a higher price tag than the game itself is freaking crazy in my books.

Seeing the situation I check my steam friend list for my good old dst traders. I send a couple of trade offers, they all get refused, cause my goh is worth less on the steam market -> I'm a cheapskate for even daring to offer 1:1 trade on same rarity.

I give up and go back monkeying around in the game only to swear whenever I see a spider for it reminds me how poorly the skins chapter has been managed.

 

dude just WTF you just made in your head. You assume that everyone is greedy as F??? This is not CSGO/TF2 community so plz stop with this madness. Also as we two traded with each other in past we will do it in future or i can help you get your favourite character. 

BTW now there is ... lets say Webber worth x keys and Wolfgang worth x-2 keys. And YET there are tons of trades 1:1 and those people know they can get "steam funds" for that head. Not many people care about $/keys and they want just DST items ... those "trading sharks" are just spamming trading forums but not many people are selling DST items.

If you think this about DST community then ... i feel bad for you dude :/

[Auth]

10 minutes ago, t0panka said:

dude just WTF you just made in your head. You assume that everyone is greedy as F??? This is not CSGO/TF2 community so plz stop with this madness.

 

Not yet. Not yet. People think "We're not that community, that can't happen to us!" *cough* Unturned *cough*

Just wait for the new ones to roll in. Just you wait and see. As they say, Mo' Money, Mo' Problems. And, as someone that's played around DST servers a bit, I'm actually REALLY glad the general public of DST players doesn't use the forums, because there's a lot of downright toxic people out there...

[ailailou]

24 minutes ago, t0panka said:

This is not CSGO/TF2 community

Not at the moment.

24 minutes ago, t0panka said:

Also as we two traded with each other in past we will do it in future or i can help you get your favourite character. 

That's kind of you, I appreciate it. I wish Klei would do the same for the entirety of their players. Do note, my previous post was hypothetical, the me wanting wolfgang that is, not the rest.

24 minutes ago, t0panka said:

If you think this about DST community then ... i feel bad for you dude :/

My opinion about the DST community has always been a good one.

[Arcita]

50 minutes ago, ailailou said:

Wolfgang GoH is $12 on the steam market. *smh*

I'm the unluckiest bastard yet after 5 months of playing the game I get my first elegant drop, a Webber GoH.

Webber GoH is $6 on the steam market.

I really want to trade my Webber GoH for Wolfgang GoH because I never play webber however I love playing Wolfgang. The skins have been marketable for a few months now so people have an idea for how much items are listed, prices which are worthless in my eyes for I have opposed marketability since the beginning. I make a post on the trading subforum or on steam trading discussion. [H] Webber GoH [W] Wolfgang GoH, thinking I will just find someone who loves webber and has a wolfgang goh.

A few minutes later I get some posts:

"Bruh u mad do u check the market Wolfgang is worth double!"

"No offense, but you're a noob at trading for thinking you'll get a 12 dollar item for your 6 bucks webber goh"

"2015 wants his oldman back 1:1 days are long over mate, I'll trade you a wolfgang goh if you add 5 keyz"

"Your webber gof + 1 dst copy for my duplicate wolfgang goh? I need another copy of dst to farm some more for my fam you know"

The few people who were willing to do a 1:1 elegant with me read the comments and check the market only to realize they can sell their Wolfgang GoH, buy a Webber GoH and still have some cash left, while I'm left with my Webber GoH gaining dust in my inventory unless I sell it for 5-6 bucks and add the same amount from my steam wallet to afford a Wolfgang GoH, which I'm never willing to do, because paying real money for just one piece of virtual clothing that has a higher price tag than the game itself is freaking crazy in my books.

Seeing the situation I check my steam friend list for my good ol' dst traders. I send a couple of trade offers, they all get refused, cause my goh is worth less on the steam market -> I'm a cheapskate for even daring to offer 1:1 trade on same rarity.

I give up and go back monkeying around in the game only to swear whenever I see a spider for it reminds me how poorly the skins chapter has been managed.

 

Wolfgang would have double the value of Webber regardless of the market. All you're talking about is whether people are able to easily inform themselves about the worth of their items. Like right now Wigfrid seems to be the high-priced GoH for whatever reason, but since there's no market you can find people who aren't aware of Wigfrid's worth, so you can rip them off and trade for less than what they'd be able to get.

Remember, the market isn't what will give rise to the disparity in worth; all it will do is inform people so they know the worth of their items.