bluhbluh Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 this is ridiculous! first off Klei gets rid of willows immunity to fire and then her lighter gets durability!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyromailmann Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 It could be worse.They could've made removed the lighter, and constantly insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toros Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 The lighter having durability isn't ideal, but it's relatively cheap to craft and still lasts a long time.Willow gets colder while insane, which makes summer a bit easier for her as well.While I'm not crazy about the changes, her short duration immunity to fire is usually sufficient, and I lost quite a few bases to willow's firestarting while insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TemporaryMan Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 The lighter change was made because worlds were getting littered with abandoned indestructible lighters. Likewise changes to Lucy the Axe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingerbread Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 well it is like this just for dst... ds is still same and it still gets updates... so they just made some chars ok to play with multiplayer experience.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaphironX Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 I miss the insane fires. Would make for so many awesome/tragic coop moments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flare2V Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Old news.Still unfortunate tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickolas2600 Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 I never got the big deal! People were screaming about this about how Kiel ruined willow, but to be honest I never saw that many willow players anyways (unless they were greifers.). Yeah I have not seen alot of ACTUAL willow players pre nerf, but i have seen alot after the nerf. Also lets be honest bearnie is okay and how usefull was the fire immuntiy anyways? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toros Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 I never got the big deal! People were screaming about this about how Kiel ruined willow, but to be honest I never saw that many willow players anyways (unless they were greifers.). Yeah I have not seen alot of ACTUAL willow players pre nerf, but i have seen alot after the nerf. Also lets be honest bearnie is okay and how usefull was the fire immuntiy anyways? Pre-RoG, fire immunity was pretty terrible. Post-RoG, she had an advantage vs firefly and there are some interesting things that could be done with fire-farms utilizing ice flingo's. Willow dominated pvp for a while because fire damage wasn't penalized, while normal damage was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickolas2600 Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Pre-RoG, fire immunity was pretty terrible. Post-RoG, she had an advantage vs firefly and there are some interesting things that could be done with fire-farms utilizing ice flingo's. Willow dominated pvp for a while because fire damage wasn't penalized, while normal damage was.Ah I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKingofSquirrels Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 The only thing I hate is the whole freezing while insane thing, which is total bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michi01 Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 The only thing I hate is the whole freezing while insane thing, which is total bullshit. No it's not because after a while sanity isn't a problem anymore and it's useful in summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKingofSquirrels Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 No it's not because after a while sanity isn't a problem anymore and it's useful in summer. When you are fighting people, it´s a huge inconvenience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mario384 Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 I have a hankering for a ham and cheese sandwich after reading this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiddyGuy Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 I have a hankering for a ham and cheese sandwich after reading this. I just read this after eating a ham and cheese sandwich...Inception? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mario384 Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 I just read this after eating a ham and cheese sandwich...Inception? But maybe I didn't have a hankering for a ham and cheese sandwich...Deception! IT'S TOO SPOOOOOOKY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zackreaver Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 When you are fighting people, it´s a huge inconvenience. So is wolfgang having low hunger, or wendy not having abigail. It's part of the character and it's something people have to cope with. If that's too much play a different character. I love all the changes made to willow, before the bernie update the nerf was just boring, but the bernie update made willow freaking amazing. No more random fires from having low sanity makes the character feel less luck based and cooking with the lighter makes exploration with her even better than before. In response to the thread title, the willow "change" was not awful at all. Looking SO forward to the caves update coming soon, I might just play willow for the cave's update just to enjoy it in full. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickolas2600 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 I guess this thread is cursed because wilst typing a reply in my excel class my school cought on fire. CURSE YOU WILLOW!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnionGaming Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 I guess this thread is cursed because wilst typing a reply in my excel class my school cought on fire. CURSE YOU WILLOW!! Banter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toros Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 So is wolfgang having low hunger, or wendy not having abigail.It's part of the character and it's something people have to cope with. If that's too much play a different character.I love all the changes made to willow, before the bernie update the nerf was just boring, but the bernie update made willow freaking amazing. No more random fires from having low sanity makes the character feel less luck based and cooking with the lighter makes exploration with her even better than before.In response to the thread title, the willow "change" was not awful at all.Looking SO forward to the caves update coming soon, I might just play willow for the cave's update just to enjoy it in full.Willow was never luck-based. She just was a bad teammate in unskilled hands. Bernie is useless.Good willows kept their sanity high around anything that they'd care if it burned down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Developer ImDaMisterL Posted September 11, 2015 Developer Share Posted September 11, 2015 BanterArsonry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomdax Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 The problem with Willow right now is that there is no reason to play her. At all. She's a jumbled mess of a character, with no real upsides or downsides, and not much of a theme anymore. Let's see her attributes. -80 max Sanity-Gains sanity from fire-Immune to fire for first 3 seconds, 50% damage reduction afterwards-A long lasting torch with a very small light radius that can be used to cook-Has a teddy bear to distract Shadow Creatures-Freezes when at low sanity Cooking with her lighter or using Bernie are handy little things to have, but they don't make a character. They don't make Willow feel like a pyromaniac. And Willow's still a weak character, too, because she doesn't bring anything to the table. Wilson's meant to be average, but he has a much stronger upside than any of hers. Willow's all over the place with weak attributes and a half-dead theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toros Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 The problem with Willow right now is that there is no reason to play her. At all. She's a jumbled mess of a character, with no real upsides or downsides, and not much of a theme anymore. Let's see her attributes. -80 max Sanity-Gains sanity from fire-Immune to fire for first 3 seconds, 50% damage reduction afterwards-A long lasting torch with a very small light radius that can be used to cook-Has a teddy bear to distract Shadow Creatures-Freezes when at low sanity Cooking with her lighter or using Bernie are handy little things to have, but they don't make a character. They don't make Willow feel like a pyromaniac. And Willow's still a weak character, too, because she doesn't bring anything to the table. Wilson's meant to be average, but he has a much stronger upside than any of hers. Willow's all over the place with weak attributes and a half-dead theme. I agree that Willow has lost a lot of her flavor, but with a long lasting light source and easy to manage sanity she's a beginner character. I don't like that she lost fire immunity, both for flavor and function reasons, but she's better than Wes, as far as the team is concerned. Most people like her starting out because their first death is to darkness, and second is probably to going insane. Willow struggles with neither mechanic, and by the time someone is ready to move on from willow they will have learned what other things can be used for light and sanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shian Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Yes, yes I can believe the awful nerfing of Willow. She was never a very good character to begin with and she is not a very good character now. Nothing has changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toros Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Yes, yes I can believe the awful nerfing of Willow. She was never a very good character to begin with and she is not a very good character now. Nothing has changed. The main change is that she's no longer an awful teammate, because a new player won't burn down your base because they don't know any better. That means that new players don't get chewed out for picking willow, because they're just less effective, not actively unhelpful. Willow burning down your base now is the same as everyone else doing it. Torches are cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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