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[lowercase skye]

1 hour ago, Mysterious box said:

It's not even just about swapping characters can you honestly tell me even a Wormwood player is going to willingly keep these on his skill tree the moment their done crafting them?

I would and will do this. Crafting plants isn't a one-and-done thing and I won't be swapping away from Wormwood after crafting plants any more than I would swap away from him immediately after planting a field of crops. It just doesn't make sense unless you have a million purple gems and are ready to swap characters for a single perk and then swap back 5 min later.

1 hour ago, Mysterious box said:

Just to be extra clear so people understand where I'm coming from what if for Winona's skill tree a entire corner of her tree was dedicated to crafting floor turfs and walls?

I think it's a bit disingenuous to compare plants with many different uses to floor and walls which are largely decorative.

[mima_]

16 minutes ago, prettynuggets said:

i think its make more sense to have a plant to make another plant babies . 
locking it in wormwood tree is good choice.

 

[Dr. Safety]

1 minute ago, Ohan said:

Exactly. Neither his bramble crafts, living log craft or compost wrap got any attention in his own skill tree cuz its filled to the brim with unnecessary stuff. 

I'm glad I'm seeing this. I never play wormwood so I didn't care about his skill tree and I didn't care about the threads talking about them, but you are 100% right. It's hard to pick what skills to use on him, because the overwhelming majority of them are just mediocre, especially compared to some of the skills Woodie and Wolfgang have. 

I hope they really revamp his skill tree because if not, it's 100% gonna be looked at the same way we look at Winona and Willow's rework 

[Mysterious box]

Just now, sylvia wander o said:

I think it's a bit disingenuous to compare plants with many different uses to floor and walls which are largely decorative.

Explain.

1 minute ago, sylvia wander o said:

I would and will do this. Crafting plants isn't a one-and-done thing and I won't be swapping away from Wormwood after crafting plants any more than I would swap away from him immediately after planting a field of crops. It just doesn't make sense unless you have a million purple gems and are ready to swap characters for a single perk and then swap back 5 min later.

The implication if I'm understanding this right is that you using this for food or gradually decorating over time? If the former is true just how much food and the like do you need that you couldn't get it done in one sitting? If the latter if the case how small of a interval are crafting these decorative plants that you'd need to switch constantly? I'm confused why bulk crafting wouldn't be an option?

1 minute ago, prettynuggets said:

 

So flavor purposes?

[Paxtonnnn]

2 hours ago, -Variant said:

Love that he got a unique animation for woodcarving, but honestly I really don't like most of this. The wood effect is great, but the rest (like him taking out and putting away Lucy and slowly getting back up) is so sluggish. There's no bounce in the animation. Hopefully they change it, though it's not the end of the world

[dois raios]

2 minutes ago, Paxtonnnn said:

Love that he got a unique animation for woodcarving, but honestly I really don't like most of this. The wood effect is great, but the rest (like him taking out and putting away Lucy and slowly getting back up) is so sluggish. There's no bounce in the animation. Hopefully they change it, though it's not the end of the world

I think you should have lucy equipped to craft those things.

currently, you must have lucy unequipped to craft.

what do you guys think if it needed lucy equipped to craft?

Edited July 12, 2023 by dois raios
changed the controversial 'I think'

[Cassielu]

23 minutes ago, prettynuggets said:

u found it nice! u been ditching the point. while its still there XD
even without skill tree people was swapping characters
if more people swapping characters because a mere skill tree is bad 
then just dont pick the skill really..

Just because it exists and persists doesn't mean we should continue to encourage it, it's a waste to contant and will confuse the players who actually choose these skill.

[Ohan]

21 minutes ago, sylvia wander o said:

I think it's a bit disingenuous to compare plants with many different uses to floor and walls which are largely decorative.

What would u need more saplings and berrybushes for than there are in a default world on day 1 other than decoration? The only non deco application it has is switching from normal to juicy or the other way around. 

17 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

I'm confused why bulk crafting wouldn't be an option?

the funniest thing is that the new recipe for leafy bush requires a crazy amount of juicy berries and wormwood has no berry producing capabilities 

Juicies take forever to grow so if u want to craft a bunch of leafy bushes you first have to switch to wickerbottom, bundle a pile of berries and then switch to wormwood  all that for a reskin of the regular berrybush. 

Edited July 12, 2023 by Ohan

[mima_]

12 minutes ago, dois raios said:

what do you guys think if it needed lucy equipped to craft?

i think that good point the animation is taking lucy out . it would be weird if woody have no lucy in his inventory while making it XD 

[ADM]

1 hour ago, Mysterious box said:

I'm not saying it shouldn't have been added I'm asking why Wormwood had to be the way it was added.

Yeah I understand that, just keep Wormwood like that because it’s fitting but I think some RWYS kind for update for standard pickable would do for the best effect to have a more dynamic plant renewability (not faster current system, but at least a player related activity like looking for roots minigame kind of thing), apply modifiers on plants, have more gardening tools (mid game scythe, sprinklers…), new and different happiness system (not to make it worse when unhappy but more cycles or growspeed than standard if you actually try), and I’ll say it despite controversy but disease remake (not a destructive one with the boring replanting trigger and treatment like it did before, it’s unarguably silly all the way but something entirely new with straightforward cures, and with content to it like discovering new powerful fertilizers, mobs, plant mutations or what else ?).

It’s all to say in my perspective basic plants could use a foraging + farming pass for more fun to equal crops in their own way which is totally optional and you could still have them the way they are if you don’t push much effort because we're already that much busy but look up for various activities especially me as a multiplayer exclusive player. And Wormwood would already be a bit equipped for this due to these skills so cool.

[Popian]

17 minutes ago, Ohan said:

What would u need more saplings and berrybushes for than there are in a default world on day 1 other than decoration?

Saplings have niche uses in being one of the cheaper crafts for stronger burn properties, being more fuel efficient than 5 Twigs, and trading health for sanity. The latter two have alternatives that can be considered cheaper, so they aren't good selling points.

[monkeymilesmoo]

Why is everyone arguing about the plants perks and not the petal perk??? Give one reason that the petal perk should even exist. At least the other perks do something, regardless of how minimal that something is.

[Dragonboooorn]

Just now, monkeymilesmoo said:

Why is everyone arguing about the plants perks and not the petal perk??? Give one reason that the petal perk should even exist. At least the other perks do something, regardless of how minimal that something is.

place holder perk

[Evelo]

2 hours ago, prettynuggets said:

at this point of game, swapping characters is a useable mechanic, if they didnt want people to swap between characters to abuse their perks . they would really remove the upgraded portal mechanic

Good lord I wish Klei would remove it. There is no choice if you can change your choice whenever you want. No consequence for a decision.

Also, could we get a reason as to why Skill Trees were introduced? Really want to know because from what I gather based on one poll, 1/3rd of the players dislike skill trees while the other 2/3 like them. (granted there was no neutral option so there's that).

[cybers2001]

2 hours ago, HowlVoid said:

Im still wondering what the point of seed sleuth is... Why does there seem to be such a big disconnect between wormwood and his skills I wonder.

If seed sleuth lets you inspect the crop type immediately after planting a generic seed, then it wouldve been useful for me... for megabasing, lol. I was trying to get specific weeds to grow in various places like goat pens, and it was a pain to have to plant and wait for the first stage of growth to know what it is.

[Captain_Rage]

1 hour ago, prettynuggets said:

people already swapping characters even without skill tree added,
u want big stocked farm then use wormwood or wicker . 
then change to warly to get their dishes .
then change to wolfgang to kill bosses faster. 
and back to wx to relax and decorating while munching a box of unused gears XD

You are thinking about Pokémon.

[Mx-Pain]

3 hours ago, goblinball said:

Thank you!!!

How does that rare variation looks like? 

[Castiliano]

I didn't mean to criticize in the other post, there were already many people doing this, so on the contrary, I want to congratulate and thank Klei as always, I really believe in you. However, I want to leave some caveats here.

It seems that half of Wilson, Wolfgang and Wormwood's skill trees are a little bit "useless" and it is easily possible to choose the best half of them. Now, being a little sarcastic: might Wickerbottom have a skill tree ability to stop Maxwell from reading all of her books? 

[mima_]

6 minutes ago, Castiliano said:

I didn't mean to criticize in the other post, there were already many people doing this, so on the contrary, I want to congratulate and thank Klei as always, I really believe in you. However, I want to leave some caveats here.

It seems that half of Wilson, Wolfgang and Wormwood's skill trees are a little bit "useless" and it is easily possible to choose the best half of them. Now, being a little sarcastic: might Wickerbottom have a skill tree ability to stop Maxwell from reading all of her books? 

would be hard if there multiple wicker in the same server ? 

[Antynomity]

4 hours ago, Habakkuk said:

We need more grass in this update... 

That's not interesting.

[-Variant]

49 minutes ago, Mx-Pain said:

How does that rare variation looks like? 

It means the Wild variant. This one.

[Castiliano]

10 minutes ago, prettynuggets said:

would be hard if there multiple wicker in the same server ? 

Perhaps, this other Wickerbottom on the server could use the ability to summon Abigail and use the potions crafted by Wendy!

[Danila6300]

3 hours ago, monkeymilesmoo said:

Why is everyone arguing about the plants perks and not the petal perk??? Give one reason that the petal perk should even exist. At least the other perks do something, regardless of how minimal that something is.

He's just taking up space. 

Perhaps I think you need to improve the summoned creatures of Wormwood. Carrots will drag seeds and other similar items into inventory. Salamanders will stop setting Wormwood on fire and become useful at night and in the cave. Light bulbs seem to be fine. To be honest, it's quite sad that for killing a whole boss and spending skill points, we get not very effective minions, I hope you will finalize this point.

Wormwood's skill tree has quite a lot of extras, and some skills can be reduced to 1 skill. Let's say getting petals, we have to spend 3 skill points just to be able to open this skill, it's pretty unprofitable. 

I liked Woody in general, he became stronger, but will he be able to deal planar damage in the form of an elk, or can he only deal damage from special weapons?

In general, I consider Wolfgang a very strong character, he needed to increase his planar damage. I don't think his skill tree should make him strong, he's already strong. 

 

Everything I said is my personal opinion. 

[reddocc]

No faster animation for picking crops?

this is literally more useful than tending range, I don't even use blooming to tend big amount of crops when it always was better to use a one-man band

[FourthLess]

3 hours ago, monkeymilesmoo said:

Why is everyone arguing about the plants perks and not the petal perk??? Give one reason that the petal perk should even exist. At least the other perks do something, regardless of how minimal that something is.

I personally don't mind it. I think it's a nice passive way to build up rot from early game without wasting other resources and also makes me actually want to use Eye Mask again. It's not a game changer but it's still nice, I'd take it over tending range or mushroom planter skills. (Seriously? Mushroom planter? That thing not only is bad and needs not a weird character specific buff in general but it also is less useful for Wormwood than for other characters)