Wanda is problematic in every way possible.

[SomebodyRandom]

Just now, Pumkingthegreat said:

Fun fact: Turning a thulecite into thulecite walls, makes 6 thulecite walls, which can each be hammered to get one thulecite fragment each. This allows you to effectively turn your thulecite back into fragments to create Walter's thulecite rounds, or Wandas time pieces.

Then we return to the first problem which is needing to go to the ruins to craft thulecite.

[douan33]

30 minutes ago, Maxil20 said:

As @Hornete Mentioned, it's a very large inventory sink. 5-10 watches is a third-2/3rds of a player inventory, which makes it much less sustainable in boss fights where having empty slots can be a rarity with the other items/prep you need.

Again, 5-10 only means that it is possible. Krampus sacks, bundling wraps, dropping stuff to ground exists. Plus, how else are you planning to mass "heal" ? By eating jellybeans? By rollbacking the server? Plus I do not even the support the idea of carrying 10 age clocks. But it doesn't mean that even 99 clocks are impossible.

30 minutes ago, Maxil20 said:

You have a very small window to properly use the watch to block a hit. For comparison, the bone armor will Never fail you and will be there for you whenever you mess up or not. In addition, you will usually end up far from the target to where you deaggro the foe entirely, especially in cases like DFly.

You get bone armor from the last boss of the game, you get backstep watch on day 1. Of course it is not perfect? Plus, backstep watch's intention is porbably to get out of a situation where you are stuck. Like when there are multiple bees around you, or when Ancient Fuelwaver traps you. The problem is that it makes you invincible while performing the action. Sure, I'd complain if it didn't give you some sort of invincibility. But neither is good.

30 minutes ago, Maxil20 said:

Because for the gameplay sections where that actually matters, you can't. You need a walrus tusk for each individual warp point. Most worlds will want people to get situated with canes for the first 2-3 winters, and by the time you have excess the watch is more of a time saver then a serious tool, which is powerful, but you are also in the lategame at that point. Not to mention in worlds with one mac, this can take substantially more time to setup.

We can't sit and do the math for how many Walrus Tusks we can get in an in-game year. I also didn't say anything about the cost, and if you think about it you're actually proving my point. The cost is good, the use is not. It is literally the c_gonext command, which is really fun and useful, but somehow in a negative way.

30 minutes ago, Maxil20 said:

Because it's a multiplayer interaction in a multiplayer game...?

No, because if your PC can handle it, you can technically open up a server with 10-20 people in it and watch them teleport from one world edge to another world edge. It also applies every problem with the other clock, so it is not any better. It also consumes 1 purple gem which is weird in the sense of balance for a character who can teleport between ruins and the overworld under 10 seconds.

Your point would be fine if everyone got mighty when Wolfgang did, or if everyone had a personal Abigail because Wendy does. But now, meh.

30 minutes ago, Maxil20 said:

You will also be at low health at all times when using it. If you want to bank on her old damage, she needs to be at 37.5 health in order for that to Take effect. Wolfgang meanwhile will have ~300 HP, a speed boost, and 2X damage with any other weapon in the game.

As for unfueled, I will agree and say this is a bit overtuned. 59.5 damage is super potent, and it's an infinite weapon at that. I would say dropping the damage to 42.5 would help quite a bit.
 

This is incredibly offensive to any of the developers that worked on this. So what if it's different? Does being different make it a mod? Does that make every character Ever added to DST a mod character from the Workshop because they don't look exactly like Wilson?

You're acting as if Wanda has health. She still does a lot of damage, with a weapon that's ranged and has infinite uses as long as you have a very renewable source nf. Also I didn't say Wolfgang was bad. I personally won't even compare her with any characters, because she is so new and unique that it feels like seperate from DST especially with her looks.

I guess we agree on the damage.

I am sorry if I offended any anime girl mod makers even though I wasn't mocking any creators. She looks like a mod character because she was intented to be somewhat like a mod character. Didn't Klei say they wanted to bring characters as if someone from the community made them? She also looks like a mod character because of the artstyle. No shadows, copied textures from other creations, simple color pallete, etc. etc. 

Take her truimphant skin, put your thumb and cover left side of her, then cover right side of her, then try to find 5 differences (WARNING VERY HARD MODE) worst thing is her clocks on her both arms are mirrored too... 

 

[HowlVoid]

1 hour ago, QuartzBeam said:

Unresolved anger issues stemming from childhood trauma?

Are you projecting? Is that why you have a compulsive need to be snide in every thread?

As for Wanda, I think the only thing that needs adjusting is her weapon. I don't really die often so I can see the revival item just needing a very long cooldown rather than a 1 time use. 

Possibly 2-5 days or so, I mean that's how long it would take to farm for effigies.

[goblinball]

3 minutes ago, douan33 said:

simple color pallete

Wait until this dude realizes that like half of the dst cast uses the same color palette for their default skins

[Frosty_Mentos]

[Mike23Ua]

12 minutes ago, SomebodyRandom said:

Then we return to the first problem which is needing to go to the ruins to craft thulecite.

This is less of a problem then you think it is, even newer players will probably be dragged down into these areas of the game by a Gears hungry WX78 or something.

And if you want my personal opinion I think Wanda would have faired out better having to interact with newer content updates for her watch ingredients (who knows maybe it needed water-logged fig jam as an ingredient used in fueling/making sure the gears are lubed & turn properly in her clocks) this literally forces the player to go out into the world and actively seek out and interact with the newer updates.

It let’s people who have never seen the Water-Logged Biome (and trust me if you don’t come to these forums or read Wiki pages you’d be surprised how many have no idea it exists..) it lets them know that SOMEWHERE out there in the world they need to find “Fig Jam” for Wandas clock ingredients. 
 

Just like I’m 150% certain that Klei’s original design intent with Wanda: Is to passively teach players the importance behind Telltale Hearts and Life Giving Amulets.

 

To turn this into the shortest TL:DR post I’ve ever made- You gain knowledge while playing as a character that can be learned and applied to another when you choose to play as them. And with Wanda it’s clearly her makeshift telltale heart & amulets.

[Mr.Tarunio]

amazing character with a lot of late game ironing.

[SomebodyRandom]

2 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

This is less of a problem then you think it is, even newer players will probably be dragged down into these areas of the game by a Gears hungry WX78 or something.

Problem is though, Alarming Clock requires constant fueling with nightmare fuel, and it consumes through your fuel fast. Unfueled Alarming Clock is basically a Ham Bat. I doubt any beginner has that much nightmare fuel and would like to come down to the caves when they can just simply use a Ham Bat or Tentacle Spike to do the same or similar amount of damage. So it still stands, Wanda is not a beginner character.

[JWalker1311]

What a horrible post full of negativity. Makes me regret ever coming to the forums for interesting content

[Dextops]

26 minutes ago, douan33 said:

you get backstep watch on day 1

back step in a nutshell

kiting with more steps and isn't free

[Mike23Ua]

5 minutes ago, SomebodyRandom said:

Problem is though, Alarming Clock requires constant fueling with nightmare fuel, and it consumes through your fuel fast. Unfueled Alarming Clock is basically a Ham Bat. I doubt any beginner has that much nightmare fuel and would like to come down to the caves when they can just simply use a Ham Bat or Tentacle Spike to do the same or similar amount of damage. So it still stands, Wanda is not a beginner character.

I would argue that Wilson is less a beginner character then Wanda, Wilson’s only use at the moment is beard hair.. which will also passively keep him warm for Winters, that’s Great.. but that’s where his usefulness ends (until he gets reworked that is)

With WANDA- she can self-revive, she has a weapon that even when not fueled does high damage- and if she needs fuel a Willow player can passively farm more fuel then she would ever know what to do with 

(STOP BANNING WILLOWS FFS!!)

Wanda has what I like to call “noob friendly” features, Having a wormhole she can place entry and exit points from anywhere on the map was OP enough in its OWN Rights..

not even WRAITH in Apex Legends can place her portals wherever she wants… Wraith has a pre-set distance between the entry and exit points for her portals.

Wanda on the other hand… is Basically THIS:

Hoping she gets tweaks & Nerfs as more feedback is provided on her throughout the month.

[QuartzBeam]

24 minutes ago, HowlVoid said:

Are you projecting? Is that why you have a compulsive need to be snide in every thread?

Yes.

[SomebodyRandom]

2 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

I would argue that Wilson is less a beginner character then Wanda

I think you're really misunderstanding how Wanda is actually played, you saw a video about the stats of the weapons and her main features, but have you seen someone apply that in real time, having to consider the costs and how difficult it is to pull off everything though?

I don't think this is gonna go anywhere so I'm gonna stop arguing here in this thread and just wait and see when she actually gets released.

[Frosty_Mentos]

21 minutes ago, JWalker1311 said:

What a horrible post full of negativity. Makes me regret ever coming to the forums for interesting content

Forums are always full of negativity towards OP things. I'm getting used to the really powerful content and I kinda want more of it.

I just wanna enjoy my game and farm bosses for lategame base building materials. I still am hoping for Willow on getting a buff on getting some new fire powers or something... she's still left out dirty.

Wanda's an amazing glass cannon character with unique mechanics to her health as age and higher risk to the reward. I thought the watches would be consumables or something but it seems fine as is. Fairly strong on the constant's playfield of randomness and unfair ways how it wants you to die. Getting old enough and powerful with high risk to die.

Personally I don't understand the trolly logic on 'nerf this, nerf that' when clearly we NEED more damage and powerful items in game. If you think not then you're clearly not getting the picture of where the game is going in it's direction. Bosses have massive amounts of health. Solo and multiplayer people would wanna take them out as quickly as possible to be less resource and item intensive to gain the resources we want to work on other things.

Go play other games if you feel like the game is not going in the direction you want it to go. Or make up your own challenge when the game allows you to play character like Wes or pick weapons to be weaker. "Hardcore gamers" pff.

Also - buff Willow, she been left out in the dirt with a big teddy bear and nothing else that matters ._.

[xhyom]

I think you guys are being overly critical, sure she has lots of potentially powerful tools(the infinite weapon is broken tho), but those don't come easily as some claim. Yeah she's pretty strong but have you seen Wolfgang, Wendy, Wortox...? There's plenty other characters strong as she, and this isn't a competitive game. 

Wanda led me to think of Akshan from League of Legends whose looked pretty busted at first but was actually kinda weak(Not that she is weak).

[Astraia]

1 hour ago, douan33 said:

Here is that Wigfrid skin for reference. Couldn't find the Woodie though.

here you go, idc if you didn't ask

[sinisterrkid]

The comparison between Backstep Watch and Bone Armour is ludicrous. It would make more sense to make that comparison with Wortox's soul hopping, but that would still be a bad comparison.

[Keller Max]

I don't understand this community. When i said something is OP, you said that its a casual non competitive game and you can play like you want. But now people cry for the character nerfs. WHY?!

[Mike23Ua]

11 minutes ago, sinisterrkid said:

The comparison between Backstep Watch and Bone Armour is utterly ludicrous. It would make more sense to make that comparison with Wortox's soul hopping, and we both know that would still be a bad comparison.

soul hoping on Xbox is locked to only a few feet in front of Wortox, it’s an always on screen indicator icon that’s similar to the circle Wurt sees to warn her of swamp tentacles.

Which leads me to wonder how this character will play with an Xbox controller, and like with Wortox’s soul hops will it be limited in range and locked in one on screen direction?

The differences between playing this game on PC with KB and Mouse vs Console with Controller and limitations can at times be a Day and Night difference.

I wonder if Wanda only looks OP because what’s being shown here is KB+Mouse gameplay but when using a console controller she will suffer the same major differences between Wortox with KB+Mouse Vs Wortox with Xbox Controller?

[Zeklo]

Honestly I'm just unsure why she has a unique weapon craft to begin with. Does it do something unique? Or is just meant to be an easily refuelable weapon?

[MondayNight]

Some shading would do, indeed, wonders.

In raw numerical theory and via Creative Mode building, all sounds dandy on the OP side. But in actual gaming, in pubs, where you also need to account for Lag and/or Rubberbanding, things get more nuanced. More-so since the actual costs will count for those Watches (and, as others stated, the inventory slots they require).

[Frosty_Mentos]

Everytime there's a 'TOO OP' topic coming up  Like, Sheesh.

2 minutes ago, Zeklo said:

Honestly I'm just unsure why she has a unique weapon craft to begin with. Does it do something unique? Or is just meant to be an easily refuelable weapon?

Cause she apparently had mastered shadow magic in old age so she basically has a pocket watch that will eviscerate anyone's hopes and dreams. Edgy grandma style. Though ngl it's a cool one.

[HowlVoid]

17 minutes ago, Keller Max said:

I don't understand this community. When i said something is OP, you said that its a casual non competitive game and you can play like you want. But now people cry for the character nerfs. WHY?!

She needs tuning imo, not any substantial nerfs. 

Her teleporting makes me super jelly and has been a highly requested late, late game qol.

The weapon deals so much damage but there are a lot of ways for klei to approach the balance for it. They can have all the watches sync with the cooldowns and then there can be an argument made for needing high offence on a very frail character.

The 2min revival items just need a longer cooldown imo (2-5 days/16-40min).

[Captain_Rage]

53 minutes ago, douan33 said:

Again, 5-10 only means that it is possible. Krampus sacks, bundling wraps, dropping stuff to ground exists. Plus, how else are you planning to mass "heal" ? By eating jellybeans? By rollbacking the server? Plus I do not even the support the idea of carrying 10 age clocks. But it doesn't mean that even 99 clocks are impossible.

This. One video already mentions that her watches are cheap and that the Second Chance Watch has infinite durability and a 2 minute cooldown. If you can craft >40 Second Chances Watched without much effort and leave them on the ground in the arena by the Ancient Fuelweaver (or any stationary boss) it makes for an extremely forgiving fight, with infinite instant retries. You can simply revive indefinitely in the same spot. Not great gameplay design, considering the rest of the premises of the game.

[lakhnish]

1 hour ago, douan33 said:

Backstep Watch lets you go back to a previous location. If I am not wrong, if you stand still it will teleport to your current location.

You are incorrect. The backstep watch tracks your steps based on your stage in life. If you are young, you go back like 2-3 tiles. If you are old, about 1.5 tiles. If you stop moving and stay still, the backstep watch will eventually go through all of your steps and Wanda will say something along the lines of being unable to backstep. You need to keep moving in order for the watch to keep backstepping.

Alternatively, if you are using a default controls, you can use the WASD keys to avoid attacks as well, though there is no i-frames.