Summer sucks

[Owlrust]

I don't think it's miserable per say, I just think there's not a lot to do besides taking care of yourself and your base (IE waiting until Autumn rolls around to get more stuff done). You can't go collecting resources easily because of the smoldering, Antlion becomes tedious to sink a Thermal Stone on and to fight every year (if you go that route), and overall you can't get much done on the surface compared to the caves.

It would be nice if there were more activities to do in summer that you can only do during summer such as an Island that raises up for summer and departs during Autumn or Mirages that attack you when in extreme heat, and drop valuable loot. Summer is fun in the real world, why should it be different in the Constant even with some danger involved?

Smoldering I agree needs somewhat of a rework. As it stands, no one looks forward to combating it; not to mention it doubles as an incentive to play hermit for a season.

[Mx-Pain]

Summer is the best season EVAAAA !!!!

[axxel]

Summer doesn't suck enough. Summer should affect caves, too.

[Nettalie]

4 hours ago, axxel said:

Summer doesn't suck enough. Summer should affect caves, too.

It still does in DS, actually. Well overheating anyways, wildfires don't happen down there to my knowledge.

That got changed in DST though (and by that I mean it doesn't raise the temperature quite as much), not sure exactly why. If I had to guess it was to give summer something else unique? I don't know.

[DARTH]

Agree. Summer is pretty boring and annoying. And its not hard. 

There are several designs in this game that were made for single-player adventure mode. These designs are outdated, and it includes summer.

Here are some suggestions for improving summer

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Mosquito/insects hazard can be added in summer. They can group on the map, being a new threat, but also gives extra Mosquito Sacks.

wildfire can act like rain with a warning, also rain should be able to extinguish the fire.

(Sailing in Summer should work better. Maybe allow players to "swim"? it's pretty damn wired to see a sailor lose sanity because of some water. Also, a sailor can only dry themself with a fire pit?? WOW. maybe we can add beefalo wool towel to dry the character quicker and easier?. Or can make the wetness has lease affect character without cloth&armor&backpack.  Boats should not be flammable, or just let player can use water buckets to extinguish the fire on boats, come on there is water everywhere. )

Instead of wildfire, maybe "dry" can be added as a negative effect on players. The player in summer will need extra water to keep them not dry? 

Or drought can occur, temporarily turn some biomes into the desert with the sand storm.
Desert Goggles's blueprint should have a better drop rate then.

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If Summer is designed to encourage players to explore the ocean or cave, then it can be done better.

Players should be safe if they return from the cave, went to the main base to rest. This can be done by making the wildfire only occur when players stay on the ground too long.

Also, for encouraging players to explore thecae, Batilisks need a rework. Build the main base on a cave hole should be an acceptable thing. Its also pretty damn wired that Batilisks are not in the cave but only on the ground. 

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[RoughCactus69]

Summer does smell.

 

Sincerely,

Cactus

[valcross07]

I agree with this sentiment. I don't know why you are punished severely for exploring. Freezing can be dealt with outside of your base. Overheating on the other hand requires you to burn through either nitre or moon staff charges. So it's either hunker down in base after killing antlion or be forced into caves even if you don't really need anything in it.

Maybe add a summer boss that drops a material that is used to make the opposite of a dragonfly furnace. A structure that has maybe 6 slots that take in ice. The more ice you put the colder the effect and the longer the ice used lasts.

I have come to love autumn, winter, and spring but summer is the one season I really cannot like. It usually ends up with me in the caves with a bundle wrapped stack of bacon and eggs while holding my dark sword to lower sanity to farm nightmare fuel and living logs. 

[Mike23Ua]

What about the people who play with random weather seasons & season lengths? You can’t just “go somewhere and wait for it to be over..” because you never truly know WHEN It’s over- 

I agree summer needs more content, But I do not agree that the last season in the game should become any less difficult then it already is.

So far the only complaints I’ve seen against Summer are: I have to stand around in Base/Oasis/Caves waiting for it to end.

But what about the people like me who do not EXACTLY Have an end to Summer?? What about those 24/7 Summer hosted worlds where there’s no such thing as Autumn, Winter or Spring?

Just because you CAN stand around idle in your base doing nothing to avoid the entire season doesn’t really mean that’s the way Klei intended the season to be played.

And maybe I’m one of very few people who want to see the world go up in flames (or at least more fire capable mobs) But my opinion counts too- And I would hate to see Summer become this peaceful fun time with no actual challenge involved outside of sinkholes & smoldering.

What I would like: New mobs, new weather hazards & new challenging mechanics-

What I will most likely get: A Watered down cazualized Summer to appeal to the Masses.

I don’t like it, that’s not the game Klei started out with and even if it’s more popular & sales well: It’s not the direction I want to see the entire franchise going in.

Im praying there’s plans for bigger challenges, harder biomes, smarter enemies, instead of going the disease route & sending Summer to wherever Klei also sent Warbucks.

[Well-met]

1 hour ago, Mike23Ua said:

So far the only complaints I’ve seen against Summer are: I have to stand around in Base/Oasis/Caves waiting for it to end.

We've already established enduring summer isn't particularly hard but it's still a chore. In this very thread.

1 hour ago, Mike23Ua said:

What about those 24/7 Summer hosted worlds where there’s no such thing as Autumn, Winter or Spring?

they don't exist

[Chesmu]

I'm also not having fun at Summer DST, It just feels empty!

How about reworking the ambient sound a bit so the world sounds richer, decreasing the overheat damage tiny bit so it's not about one time burns, like Hound Attacks, Wildfires, and Overheats, but a passive Summer feeling without constant penalty that follows it.

We could add heat-complaining quotes to Pigmen, so they share the misery with survivors, and the raw edibles get cooked on the ground after 5 sec of medium and 5 other sec of severe smoking, and finishing with a "Puff" sound effect.

We could have a different kind of hat added to the game, like a shawl that covers your head and face.

Simply anything that at-least deceives the player to thinking the world is richer, or actually making it richer during Summer.

[Lord Cafe]

Summers it's annoying season beucase of two things, fire hounds and things burning but you don't need to build flingos to keep your mega base alive, just base on oasis it's the best place to live and there's nothing better than oasis, period. I built my megabase on oasis and an trap zone a little bit further away to deal with hounds and it's day 370 and nothing never got on fire but dealing with that stupid sandstorm effect for 15 days makes my eyes die so in summer i usualy go explore ruins and grab resources on caves and then i spent my other three seasons on surface and beside that if you already got the ruins you  can easily build a moon caller staff and get your temperature bellow  zero even in summer so there's enough counterplay  to this season.

Klei should only change the hounds attacks frequency, dude, after day 100 it's almost 25 hounds each three days it's annoying, i can't spent enough time building things cus i'm replacing my tooth traps to deal with them again. 

[Well-met]

5 minutes ago, Lord Cafe said:

Summers it's annoying season beucase of two things, fire hounds and things burning but you don't need to build flingos to keep your mega base alive, just base on oasis it's the best place to live and there's nothing better than oasis, period. I built my megabase on oasis and an trap zone a little bit further away to deal with hounds and it's day 370 and nothing never got on fire but dealing with that stupid sandstorm effect for 15 days makes my eyes die so in summer i usualy go explore ruins and grab resources on caves and then i spent my other three seasons on surface and beside that if you already got the ruins you  can easily build a moon caller staff and get your temperature bellow  zero even in summer so there's enough counterplay  to this season.

Klei should only change the hounds attacks frequency, dude, after day 100 it's almost 25 hounds each three days it's annoying, i can't spent enough time building things cus i'm replacing my tooth traps to deal with them again. 

you're free to turn off hounds. From the sound of it, it's likely your own server.

[Mike23Ua]

17 minutes ago, Lord Cafe said:

Summers it's annoying season beucase of two things, fire hounds and things burning but you don't need to build flingos to keep your mega base alive, just base on oasis it's the best place to live and there's nothing better than oasis, period. I built my megabase on oasis and an trap zone a little bit further away to deal with hounds and it's day 370 and nothing never got on fire but dealing with that stupid sandstorm effect for 15 days makes my eyes die so in summer i usualy go explore ruins and grab resources on caves and then i spent my other three seasons on surface and beside that if you already got the ruins you  can easily build a moon caller staff and get your temperature bellow  zero even in summer so there's enough counterplay  to this season.

Klei should only change the hounds attacks frequency, dude, after day 100 it's almost 25 hounds each three days it's annoying, i can't spent enough time building things cus i'm replacing my tooth traps to deal with them again. 

Don’t even waste resources on traps, hounds have low attention spans- they will literally stop chasing you at some point to chase random stuff, landing birds, Rabbits, they even bite bee hives for no real reason.

Use this to your Advantage kite them to nearest Tree Guard, Bearger, Bee Biome, Beefalo Etc... and you’ll never need to build Traps even on day 600+ worlds.

I main Wendy.. but I do play other characters & when playing Wormwood all the above methods are my preferred method of dealing with hounds because the traps themselves just feel so ineffective compared to the above options.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

 

1 hour ago, Lord Cafe said:

Klei should only change the hounds attacks frequency, dude, after day 100 it's almost 25 hounds each three days it's annoying, i can't spent enough time building things cus i'm replacing my tooth traps to deal with them again. 

dont use traps lel

is a waste of time and resources

and they are only about 7-9 per player

[me real life]

On 3/4/2021 at 12:10 PM, Mike23Ua said:

What about the people who play with random weather seasons & season lengths? You can’t just “go somewhere and wait for it to be over..” because you never truly know WHEN It’s over- 

Every season has a different color filter, so you can tell what season it is by just looking at what color the screen is tinted even if your seasons/season lengths are set to random.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

On 3/4/2021 at 6:10 PM, Mike23Ua said:

What about the people who play with random weather seasons & season lengths? You can’t just “go somewhere and wait for it to be over..” because you never truly know WHEN It’s over- 

you are welcome

[Lord Cafe]

4 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

Don’t even waste resources on traps, hounds have low attention spans- they will literally stop chasing you at some point to chase random stuff, landing birds, Rabbits, they even bite bee hives for no real reason.

Use this to your Advantage kite them to nearest Tree Guard, Bearger, Bee Biome, Beefalo Etc... and you’ll never need to build Traps even on day 600+ worlds.

I main Wendy.. but I do play other characters & when playing Wormwood all the above methods are my preferred method of dealing with hounds because the traps themselves just feel so ineffective compared to the above options.

Yeah i know, sometimes  i use my bush hat near to an pigskin blocked by statues to make the dogs loose me but after day 100 it's only 30s until  they attack so i don't have enought time to run far away to the beefalos that's why i use traps but it's only viable cus i have lot of them and an wendy friend  which helps killing them but thanks for the tips i'll try some of them. 

[Take_Off_Hoser_]

I don't see any mention that you can just use inculcated pack with ice bream fish to run around all day long in summer without overheating              Just get the fish back by the next day. Easy.

I play solo so Antlion is a waste. Need a way to teleport while playing solo!

[GenomeSquirrel]

2 hours ago, Take_Off_Hoser_ said:

I don't see any mention that you can just use inculcated pack with ice bream fish to run around all day long in summer without overheating              Just get the fish back by the next day. Easy.

I play solo so Antlion is a waste. Need a way to teleport while playing solo!

That's because we're arguing that it's boring, and not difficult.

From my experience in pubs, most people also don't consider boating fun or rewarding enough to engage in.

[Take_Off_Hoser_]

1 hour ago, GenomeSquirrel said:

That's because we're arguing that it's boring, and not difficult.

From my experience in pubs, most people also don't consider boating fun or rewarding enough to engage in.

Ok, I did read a lot saying they feel stuck in the caves or at base and I don't feel it has to be that way. The fish work amazingly.

I love shipwrecked and wish we could jump together to that world like single player so boating works for me personally but I do agree it needs to be a little more rewarding. It seems like that content is unfinished?

Should all seasons have a specific mid-tier boss then maybe?

[xDarkSoul18x]

But summer makes everything burn! O.O But seriously I definitely think summer could use some love. I just love the red gems from hounds. Always use some red gems.

[RoughCactus69]

On 3/4/2021 at 2:46 AM, valcross07 said:

I agree with this sentiment. I don't know why you are punished severely for exploring. Freezing can be dealt with outside of your base. Overheating on the other hand requires you to burn through either nitre or moon staff charges. So it's either hunker down in base after killing antlion or be forced into caves even if you don't really need anything in it.

Maybe add a summer boss that drops a material that is used to make the opposite of a dragonfly furnace. A structure that has maybe 6 slots that take in ice. The more ice you put the colder the effect and the longer the ice used lasts.

I have come to love autumn, winter, and spring but summer is the one season I really cannot like. It usually ends up with me in the caves with a bundle wrapped stack of bacon and eggs while holding my dark sword to lower sanity to farm nightmare fuel and living logs. 

There are ways without burning through that, just requires lots of stuff. 

 

Ways To Combat Summer (W/O Nitre):

• Using some type of hat. (Straw Hat, Eye-Brella) [The Eyebrella is better]
• Using a Whirly Fan. They are very cheap, and actually work quite well. 
• Using either a Summer Frest, or Floral Shirt. (Floral Shirt is better)
• Jumping Tree to Tree. Trees give you cool down. 

ALL of these combined keeps you cool. Just be careful of the sizzling trees!

 

Sincerely,

Cactus

[Well-met]

6 minutes ago, RoughCactus69 said:

There are ways without burning through that, just requires lots of stuff. 

 

Ways To Combat Summer (W/O Nitre):

• Using some type of hat. (Straw Hat, Eye-Brella) [The Eyebrella is better]
• Using a Whirly Fan. They are very cheap, and actually work quite well. 
• Using either a Summer Frest, or Floral Shirt. (Floral Shirt is better)
• Jumping Tree to Tree. Trees give you cool down. 

ALL of these combined keeps you cool. Just be careful of the sizzling trees!

 

Sincerely,

Cactus

out of all of these, only eyebrella and floral actually do something that'll get you beyond the first 3 days of summer.

you absolutely need blue amulets, moose fans or endo pits to make it through the overworld summer.

Thermal stone is also a must-have if you don't want to waste too many ressources.

[RoughCactus69]

2 minutes ago, Well-met said:

out of all of these, only eyebrella and floral actually do something that'll get you beyond the first 3 days of summer.

you absolutely need blue amulets, moose fans or endo pits to make it through the overworld summer.

Thermal stone is also a must-have if you don't want to waste too many ressources.

I know when I combine the Whirly Fan, Floral Shirt, and Eyebrella I get no negative summer effects for awhile. Once they do eventually set in (Which takes a looooong time) I just sit under a tree to cool back down. But, I'd rather just sit in caves honestly.

Sincerely,

Cactus

[Well-met]

Tree shade doesn't cool. It only slightly delays.

Whirly fan eventually gets overwhelmed by ambient temp after a few days.

so basically its those two items I mentionned, doing all the work. Not much of a tip if you ask me.