Can we talk about Wormwood

[Zuffie]

bruh he is useless

[Lanaaa]

I think they should give him Wickerbottom's Applied Horticulture ability. It never made sense for her to keep that perk once they added Wormwood anyway, and maybe people could stop losing their absolute minds over the nerf. Wormwood deserves that power. Especially after this update where he's been all but deleted as contributing character.

[Cheggf]

He's not useless, he's a very fun challenge character.

[Ohan]

I definitely agree Wormwood needs some tinkering, farm plots are so easy to make theres no reason to plant wild crops considering the major downside of not being able to grow giant crops outside of a farm plot.

I also dont understand the change they made to him where he can supposedly tell the needs of crops without technology. If they mean just his examinations quotes being slightly more specific than that of other survivors i dont think thats very much of a perk 

7 minutes ago, Lanaaa said:

Especially after this update where he's been all but deleted as contributing character.

*sobs* 

[Duck986]

13 minutes ago, Zuffie said:

bruh he is useless

he wasnt before RWYS update ngl. but now he is worthless due to new plant needs and adding more downsides to wild ones, I agree.

[Lanaaa]

1 minute ago, Ohan said:

I also dont understand the change they made to him where he can supposedly tell the needs of crops without technology. If they mean just his examinations quotes being slightly more specific than that of other survivors i dont think thats very much of a perk 

It isn't. All the other characters need is a hat item that gives them the exact same thing. The hat has infinite durability and your research carries over to all your new worlds like a cookbook. Why bother with Wormwood, he would only save a couple days' time, ya know? I hope they address this.

[Cheggf]

6 minutes ago, Duck986 said:

he wasnt before RWYS update ngl. but now he is worthless due to new plant needs and adding more downsides to wild ones.

Wild crops were always practically worthless. The only potential use they had is comboing with Warly (although the efficacy of that is very debatable), they were terrible as a food source. Even ignoring all the time you spend getting the seeds in the first place, you need to spend a ton of time planting them one by one, then waiting for them to grow, then coming back after they grow but before they rot, then spend a ton of time picking them all one by one, then spend a ton of time feeding a lot to the bird (wasting more time and greatly diminishing yield) and picking them all up, then spend a ton of time planting them all again. And they can't feed Wigfrid. And they don't grow in Winter. And they need a Flingomatic to grow in Summer.

Compare that to other food sources like bunnymen, bee boxes, lichen, kelp, stonefruit, etc. You can get 10x the hunger for 10x less time spent.

I don't know why you guys are acting like he used to be super good and now he suddenly sucks. He was always like this. He's always been a challenge / roleplay character.

[bruhmoment23]

Wow. Your complex and insightful reasoning and arguements as to why Wormwood is trash tier, bottom of the barrel character really stood out to me mr op. I can't help but notice the effort and research you have put into this analysis. Astounding work, truly, such marvelous depictions are worthy of a grand prize, here have my reddit gold.

[viberr]

3 minutes ago, bruhmoment23 said:

Wow. Your complex and insightful reasoning and arguements as to why Wormwood is trash tier, bottom of the barrel character really stood out to me mr op. I can't help but notice the effort and research you have put into this analysis. Astounding work, truly, such marvelous depictions are worthy of a grand prize, here have my reddit gold.

if its that easy to obtain reddit gold and a bunch of compliments well

guys wes is bad 

give all your money now

[ArubaroBeefalo]

Why? Suddenly plating seeds in the ground without anything needed is useless?

[Ohan]

3 hours ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

Why? Suddenly plating seeds in the ground without anything needed is useless?

When you consider that 1 Garden Rigamajig requires 3 boards 2 rope and 2 flint and can make enough space for 36 plants in total and a garden hoe is just 2 twigs and 2 flint, yes wild planting does not have the same value anymore. Wild crops also cannot grow into giant crops because they need farm plots. 

to get the same amount of plants with Improved Farms compared to a single Garden Rigamajig you would need 288 grass, 216 poop, and 144 rocks. 

In that scenario wild planting is immensely valuable. But now planting 36 plants only requires 12 wood, 6 grass and 2 flint. (Plus twigs and flint for hoe). 

only real benefit Wormwood's planting now has is no need to use a hoe. theres is no reason why you would want to plant outside of farm plot besides decor and in early game as u travel around. 

[Viktor234]

The only useless ability Wormwood might have is his fertilizing ability: I never saw any use in making a healing item which is about twice as expensive as healing salve and takes more than twice as long to be applied just for +10 more health. Also the only cases where I use manure to heal myself is whenever I want to craft one more Living Log before restoring my health completly.

[GrandTardigrade]

18 hours ago, ScottHansen said:

This is a pretty substantial update in terms of impact so we need your feedback on bugs and as well as tuning, so please don't be shy.

I think this means Klei will listen to the community and change some things about the update in the next couple weeks, so I believe Wormwood will be just fine when Reap what you Sow leaves beta.

[Lanaaa]

50 minutes ago, Cheggf said:

Wild crops were always practically worthless. The only potential use they had is comboing with Warly (although the efficacy of that is very debatable), they were terrible as a food source. Even ignoring all the time you spend getting the seeds in the first place, you need to spend a ton of time planting them one by one, then waiting for them to grow, then coming back after they grow but before they rot, then spend a ton of time picking them all one by one, then spend a ton of time feeding a lot to the bird (wasting more time and greatly diminishing yield) and picking them all up, then spend a ton of time planting them all again. And they can't feed Wigfrid. And they don't grow in Winter. And they need a Flingomatic to grow in Summer.

Compare that to other food sources like bunnymen, bee boxes, lichen, kelp, stonefruit, etc. You can get 10x the hunger for 10x less time spent.

I don't know why you guys are acting like he used to be super good and now he suddenly sucks. He was always like this. He's always been a challenge / roleplay character.

Yes, thank you, we know. We all know. It has been established ad nauseam that the farming mechanics were not as efficient as hunting. That's not the point. The new farm plots as they are now make Wormwood's seed-planting ability completely obsolete. I don't care what you think about his wild crops, the problem is that we now have a character whose only semblance of a perk is now 100% achievable by every player. They need to address it.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

41 minutes ago, Ohan said:

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In that scenario wild planting is immensely valuable. But now planting 36 plants only requires 12 wood, 6 grass and 2 flint. (Plus twigs and flint for hoe).  

But still being free

Now wormwood isnt a must to dont waste time and an inmense amount of resources. Balanced

[Wardin25]

5 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

But still being free

Now wormwood isnt a must to dont waste time and an inmense amount of resources. Balanced

but now he doesnt have an upside that helps the group and balances him out, I think he should be given new crafts tha require forget-me-lots and fire nettle fronds to reward him for taking care of the garden, and maybe he would be able to take a special drop from the spiny bindweed that allows him to craft some sort of bear trap

[Karitha]

3 hours ago, Lanaaa said:

I think they should give him Wickerbottom's Applied Horticulture ability.

Yeah and he should able to use codex umbra and spawn shadows too. His new name should be Wormwell! 

He is not a wizard and taking the power of a character to another don't make little sense. He should have few another special effects to make him unique again...

3 hours ago, Zuffie said:

bruh he is useless

Sadly, yes

I just finished mushroom skin set few days ago. Such a spool lost

I think plants planted by him should be better or he should able to give more love to the plants. I don't know and I think Wicker & Wormwood buddies (really great characters of game) was basically nerfed alot.

Also can someone tell me why only wild plants grow up when I read book as Wicker?

[ShadowDuelist]

About Wild Crops:

Spoiler

Maybe he could still obtain big crops just by watering and tending his wild crops, without the fertilizer mechanic, so long its the right season, and compensate it that they take longer to grow/require more days of tending and watering than a regular crop in a farm.

About Farmer Wormwood: 

Spoiler

If he does make the farm plots, every time he tends to a crop in a farm, the crop grows faster, possibly shortening the whole growth cycle by half (or even more), and crops he tends to in a farm plot can grow big regardless of the the season, so long the nutrients, watering, and wormwood personal tending requirements are met.

It would make sense with his green thumb perk altogether.

It is also a good moment to re-balance his never useful fertilizer:

Spoiler

I think every time he crafts one, he should obtain two units of compost wrap (thats 60 healing, or 2 times you add all nutrients to a farm)

 

[ArubaroBeefalo]

7 minutes ago, Slagger said:

Yeah and he should able to use codex umbra and spawn shadows too. His new name should be Wormwell! 

He is not a wizard and taking the power of a character to another don't make little sense. He should have few another special effects to make him unique again...

Sadly, yes

I just finished mushroom skin set few days ago. Such a spool lost

Dude it's not that hard to make it. It's cheap.

I think plants planted by him should be better or he should able to give more love to the plants. I don't know and I think Wicker & Wormwood buddies (really great characters of game) was basically nerfed alot.

Also can someone tell me why only wild plants grow up when I read book as Wicker?

Read again. I said that now wormwood isnt the way to deal with crops because before you need giant amounts of grass, manure,rocks and time

Now is: make cheap farms or use wormwood

Is more balanced than suffer or use wormwood

 

But he isnt useless when you can simply plant the seed without need of nothing else

Idk why people are so dramatic

[Karitha]

1 hour ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

Read again. I said that now wormwood isnt the way to deal with crops because before you need giant amounts of grass, manure,rocks and time

Now is: make cheap farms or use wormwood

Is more balanced than suffer or use wormwood

My mistake

[Lanaaa]

12 minutes ago, Slagger said:

Yeah and he should able to use codex umbra and spawn shadows too. His new name should be Wormwell! 

He is not a wizard and taking the power of a character to another don't make little sense. He should have few another special effects to make him unique again..

HE'S LITERALLY CALLED THE GREEN THUMB IN HIS BIO! How does it make sense for a Librarian to be able to insta-grow plants instead of the plant who exists to plant plants?? Come on, dude...seriously. Seriously. 

[Ohan]

15 minutes ago, ShadowDuelist said:

Maybe he could still obtain big crops just by watering and tending his wild crops, without the fertilizer mechanic, so long its the right season, and compensate it that they take longer to grow/require more days of tending and watering than a regular crop in a farm.

the whole thing though is that the novel selling point of wild crops/their reason to exist basically was that u didnt need to gather the resources for improved farms. now with farm plots being MUCH cheaper to construct there is no reason for you to purposefully knee-cap urself with longer grow time etc by going out of ur way to not plant in a farm plot.

The second selling point was that you could fit 9 wild crops in 1 pitchfork tile compared to the single crop on an improved farm which takes up 1 pitchfork tile. But now everyone can plant 9 seeds in 1 pitchfork tile. I agree with you on your other ideas, i mean his crafting tab literally is called green thumb, his tending should definitely be more special than that of other characters. 

 

16 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

Read again. I said that now wormwood isnt the way to deal with crops because before you need giant amounts of grass, manure,rocks and time

Now is: make cheap farms or use wormwood

Is more balanced than suffer or use wormwood

this thread is about wormwood losing what made him special and here u say its good because the other characters didnt have what wormwood had and now everyone does lol? and thats a good thing? 

[ShadowDuelist]

14 minutes ago, Ohan said:

the whole thing though is that the novel selling point of wild crops/their reason to exist basically was that u didnt need to gather the resources for improved farms. now with farm plots being MUCH cheaper to construct there is no reason for you to purposefully knee-cap urself with longer grow time etc by going out of ur way to not plant in a farm plot.

My suggestion about wild crops goes like this: If you barely tend to your wild crops you will still obtain vegetables, so even if it took longer, it costed you absolutely nothing. Got a seed, and planted it. Free food, just installed the game and im checking it out kinda gameplay.

I installed the game 3 weeks ago and I'm really liking it, gameplay: If you do tend your wild crops, you still avoid the whole nuttients mechanic, which for many players specially new ones can be daunting. New players will have fun with this even if it takes longer, since they can possibly obtain big crops even when the other players can't, because they dont understand yet the nutrient system.

It will encourage them to learn about farm plots and nutrients system, and when they do, thats where my other suggestion works: Wormwood would be better in a farm plot, by rushing the process every time he tends to a plant and ignoring the season requirement.

So basically the rewarding process of wormwood would be very high depending on the effort and knowledge you have on the farming process.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

21 minutes ago, Ohan said:

this thread is about wormwood losing what made him special and here u say its good because the other characters didnt have what wormwood had and now everyone does lol? and thats a good thing? 

What i said is that there isnt that big breach between using farms or using wormwood

Farms where expensive so sone people used the portal to pick wormwood so they didnt need to waste that amount of resourcs and space

Now is more balanced, he still having free plating and other character doesnt have that useless recources black hole farms

But sure, wormwood useless just because now is easier and cheaper to plant seeds

[DaZoul]

1 minute ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

What i said is that there isnt that big breach between using farms or using wormwood

Farms where expensive so sone people used the portal to pick wormwood so they didnt need to waste that amount of resourcs and space

Now is more balanced, he still having free plating and other character doesnt have that useless recources black hole farms

But sure, wormwood useless just because now is easier and cheaper to plant seeds

yea, while not technically completely useless, he is severely underpowered, there is no reason to playing him (other than just liking him as a character) as anyone else can do things very nearly as well as he can. He does need an improvement to Wild Crops, and his farming when looking after normal, not-wild crops