Pigeon Gryphon Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 So, Wurt. She is an adorable merm child, and she seems like she’ll be fun to play as! But as far as I can tell, there’s nothing really dark or sad hinted at about her story (except maybe for being a child character released on halloween who can’t go trick or treating, but she hates the pigs anyway so maybe she wouldn’t care, so that might not count as real tragedy for her). Most DS and DST characters have something tragic and/or dark implied or outright revealed about their stories, even if that’s just being unlocked by being rescued from a bad situation. Of course, there might be a few exceptions besides Wurt, but I’m not sure, since there’s some characters I’m not very familiar with. Anyhow… Like Woodie’s animated short, Wurt’s short is very nicely animated, very cute, lively and fun… but also like Woodie’s short, I wasn’t expecting it to be purely lighthearted. I know there’ve already been people who’ve talked about Woodie’s short. But I’ll just mention, yeah, I’m another person who was hoping for either the probably-tragic story behind Lucy, or the story of why Woodie is cursed, or both. I’m also another person who had been convinced that Wurt must be a mermified goat. I noticed lots of people had thought that about Wurt, and I think that’s only natural, since Klei has already had goats getting mermified, and the horned merm guards were just brought in with Wurt. I wonder if Klei actually used to plan for Wurt to be a mermified goat, but then changed their minds, and created the merm guards to retcon out plans for Wurt being a mermified goat, when people had already discovered that she’d have horns. I’ve heard of how Wortox used to call the “nextcharacter” a little goat, in his speech file. I recently checked, and it seems to be gone now, probably removed. If I remember right, I think I might’ve heard people blaming this change on Klei maybe rushing things. But I personally wonder if Klei might actually just be starting to make their DST character stories lighter, to try to appeal to a wider audience. Of course, that’s just speculation. I hope that they might still have some dark elements for DST lore in the future. I guess we’ll see. I still enjoy this game and its characters and lore anyway, I just felt like typing out my thoughts, and sharing ‘em for the heck of it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113035-some-thoughts-on-wurt-woodie-and-general-character-lore/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeklo Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 I don't think the DLC characters stories have to be tragic. After all they're native to the Constant/etc. Wortox has the history with Krampus, but overall nothing too bad. He's very lighthearted and playful over all. Wormwood has his 'lonely' aspect but that's nothing too tragic, just a tad sad. Wurt is just a merm warrior hoping to revive(?) the merm 'empire'. She is quite young so if there ever was any sorta merm kingdom she likely wasn't around for its downfall (just stories). I do believe that Klei had considered a goat character but ended up bringing Warly over since they technically had a chef character already. Just in singleplayer DLC limbo. Its ultimately a shame, but alas. The characters we have now are pretty neat. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113035-some-thoughts-on-wurt-woodie-and-general-character-lore/#findComment-1276707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKingofSquirrels Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 40 minutes ago, flybynights said: Anyhow… Like Woodie’s animated short, Wurt’s short is very nicely animated, very cute, lively and fun… but also like Woodie’s short, I wasn’t expecting it to be purely lighthearted. I know there’ve already been people who’ve talked about Woodie’s short. But I’ll just mention, yeah, I’m another person who was hoping for either the probably-tragic story behind Lucy, or the story of why Woodie is cursed, or both. I’m also another person who had been convinced that Wurt must be a mermified goat. I was thinking about this today. It would have been a better origin story to have an animation where Wilson and Winona tried to cure his Werebeaver curse with science. Unfortunately, they make it worse. That's why he transforms into the Goose and Moose forms now. I just don't like that the Werebeaver identity has now been replaced with...Canadian Beast Boy? I don't know, it was cool that he was a werewolf. Now he's like a superhero. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113035-some-thoughts-on-wurt-woodie-and-general-character-lore/#findComment-1276716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluegeist Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Winona, Willow, and Warly's shorts had some tragedy though (Warly's had a LOT of tragedy) But yeah, DLC characters are native to the Constant and thus a dark backstory is not necessary. Perhaps the next new character and any of the at least 9 upcoming reworks will have a little emotional bite to them? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113035-some-thoughts-on-wurt-woodie-and-general-character-lore/#findComment-1276719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinisterrkid Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 We're nearing 7 years since Don't Starve released. Teams change, people come and go in the development of the game, and that organically causes some changes in how it evolves. I believe you are reading far too much into this. Specially when you say: 1 hour ago, flybynights said: when people had already discovered that she’d have horns. ... We knew she'd have horns like two weeks before the release. Klei wouldn't have time to make that big of a conceptual change. But at any rate, they wouldn't care that we saw the leaked sillhouette. Wormwood had an entirely different design leaked early on, and that didn't affect Klei's decision to continue on changing him. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113035-some-thoughts-on-wurt-woodie-and-general-character-lore/#findComment-1276722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maciu67 Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 10 hours ago, flybynights said: So, Wurt. She is an adorable merm child I think Wurt is mermificated goat and this is the reason why she is not as mindless as other merms. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113035-some-thoughts-on-wurt-woodie-and-general-character-lore/#findComment-1276848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessie_ Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, maciu67 said: I think Wurt is mermified goat and this is the reason why she is not as mindless as other merms. i kinda disagree with this, i loved the idea of a partially-mermified goat character when we saw her silhouette, but i've moved past that after they revealed she's a regular merm the mermified characters from the gorge event did exhibit more intelligence than regular merms, but i still doubt the theory that wurt used to be a goat maybe unlike other merms, wurt just has a better skull shape Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113035-some-thoughts-on-wurt-woodie-and-general-character-lore/#findComment-1276849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTraditionalGentleman Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 37 minutes ago, Jessie223 said: i kinda disagree with this, i loved the idea of a partially-mermified goat character when we saw her silhouette, but i've moved past that after they revealed she's a regular merm the mermified characters from the gorge event did exhibit more intelligence than regular merms, but i still doubt the theory that wurt used to be a goat maybe unlike other merms, wurt just has a better skull shape Or maybe the merms have some horrifying Benjamin Button thing going on, where they start out smart and get dumber as they age XD 48 minutes ago, maciu67 said: I think Wurt is mermified goat and this is the reason why she is not as mindless as other merms. Though are they really that dumb? They build houses (admittedly not as nice as the pigs’s), and it seems like they can speak to each other, and keep pets. They even have a sort of moral code, by disliking eating meat (*edit* they could also just be herbivores, but Wurt seems to think the idea of eating fish is particularly wrong, not that it would just taste bad) The pigs on the other hand, don’t exactly have the market cornered on intelligence. They eat literally anything you give them, will eat the flesh of their buddy who was just slain before them, and they poo all over their town. They happen to speak english, but otherwise, they seem to be going nowhere fast. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113035-some-thoughts-on-wurt-woodie-and-general-character-lore/#findComment-1276856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maciu67 Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Jessie223 said: she's a regular merm Regular merms do not have horns. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113035-some-thoughts-on-wurt-woodie-and-general-character-lore/#findComment-1276864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessie_ Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Just now, maciu67 said: Regular merms do not have horns. she's a merm guard Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113035-some-thoughts-on-wurt-woodie-and-general-character-lore/#findComment-1276865 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maciu67 Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 34 minutes ago, Jessie223 said: she's a merm guard And why she is much more inteligent? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113035-some-thoughts-on-wurt-woodie-and-general-character-lore/#findComment-1276872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessie_ Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 10 minutes ago, maciu67 said: And why she is much more inteligent? her skull shape is better Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113035-some-thoughts-on-wurt-woodie-and-general-character-lore/#findComment-1276876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweaper Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 33 minutes ago, maciu67 said: And why she is much more inteligent? Try reading books. /s Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113035-some-thoughts-on-wurt-woodie-and-general-character-lore/#findComment-1276889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Noon Fish Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 11 minutes ago, Jessie223 said: her skull shape is better bigger brains don't necessarily mean smarter btw. The reason why she could be seen as smarter is that she's a child, so its actually good (depending on how old she is since younger children are more "malleable" intelligence wise) that she's learning a second language. While the survivors seem to not age physically (only two characters who wont really age mentally could be wendy n webber since puberty is kinda physical) the others (wortox, woodworm, and wurt) might age since they're native to the constant (gonna need more citation on that other than using examples of the other natives.) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113035-some-thoughts-on-wurt-woodie-and-general-character-lore/#findComment-1276890 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hornete Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 3 hours ago, maciu67 said: And why she is much more inteligent? It was confirmed on the stream, She was born a merm guard Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113035-some-thoughts-on-wurt-woodie-and-general-character-lore/#findComment-1276933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouKnowWho Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 14 hours ago, Zeklo said: I don't think the DLC characters stories have to be tragic. After all they're native to the Constant/etc. Wortox has the history with Krampus, but overall nothing too bad. He's very lighthearted and playful over all. I thought Wortox's was tragic. Dude's seriously riddled with guilt from having to consume the souls of the living. You see it through stuff like quotes like "What gruesome things I must do to live!" and "Wortox is a mischievous imp whose levity masks a deep well of guilt. He has taken many souls in his time." So, not necessarily stuff you'd see in the trailer, but lore's still there. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113035-some-thoughts-on-wurt-woodie-and-general-character-lore/#findComment-1276953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
me real life Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 I'll never understand why people wanted a serious tragic short for Woodie of all characters. Imagine that Woodie's short showed him meeting lucy, falling in love with her, and being driven to madness by her death... and then you open the game, and Woodie is now able to turn into 2 more wacky canadian animals with silly music and animations. Would that feel right to anyone? A tragic backstory just sounds unfitting for a character like Woodie, it'd just end up being funny more than anything because of the massive tone shift. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113035-some-thoughts-on-wurt-woodie-and-general-character-lore/#findComment-1276984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minespatch Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, Sunset Skye said: Would that feel right to anyone? Yes...? Personally I would've loved to see his history with Lucy, Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113035-some-thoughts-on-wurt-woodie-and-general-character-lore/#findComment-1276988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Chin Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 10 minutes ago, Sunset Skye said: I'll never understand why people wanted a serious tragic short for Woodie of all characters. Imagine that Woodie's short showed him meeting lucy, falling in love with her, and being driven to madness by her death... and then you open the game, and Woodie is now able to turn into 2 more wacky canadian animals with silly music and animations. Would that feel right to anyone? A tragic backstory just sounds unfitting for a character like Woodie, it'd just end up being funny more than anything because of the massive tone shift. I would have liked if his rework focused on fixing werebeaver rather than just making him into Captain Canada. Woodie was always a Canadian struggling with a curse, rather than a wacky unexplained shape shifter. This potential tragic back story would have worked much better with his pre-rework form. Ah well.. too late now... That's why I'm disappointed with his rework, I think they lost what made Woodie.. Woodie! Quite frankly, I don't even like him anymore! I am also severely disappointed Lucy .... doesn't even comment on the new forms! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113035-some-thoughts-on-wurt-woodie-and-general-character-lore/#findComment-1276995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeklo Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Crimson Chin said: I would have liked if his rework focused on fixing werebeaver rather than just making him into Captain Canada. Woodie was always a Canadian struggling with a curse, rather than a wacky unexplained shape shifter. This potential tragic back story would have worked much better with his pre-rework form. Ah well.. too late now... That's why I'm disappointed with his rework, I think they lost what made Woodie.. Woodie! Quite frankly, I don't even like him anymore! I am also severely disappointed Lucy .... doesn't even comment on the new forms! "With the effects of the moon stronger Woodie finally embraces his wild side." - Animatic Description Explains both the change to the curse and the change to his personality. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113035-some-thoughts-on-wurt-woodie-and-general-character-lore/#findComment-1276998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessie_ Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 i think that woodie being forced into a tragic character would be kinda weird Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113035-some-thoughts-on-wurt-woodie-and-general-character-lore/#findComment-1277000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Chin Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Zeklo said: "With the effects of the moon stronger Woodie finally embraces his wild side." - Animatic Description Explains both the change to the curse and the change to his personality. I really don't even understand what's going on with the moon right now either, not that his short even showed anything regarding the moon. I'm just trying to say I would have preferred if we took a different route with his character. We still don't really know.... what Lucy is... or how he got cursed in the 1st place.... There was a lot of room for story there, but we didn't get... any story at all. All these years it felt like there was so much building up potential for Woodie's story, but... nothing really happened. While I understand mystery is a big part of Don't Starve's story, it felt kind of lame. Just saying that hey... the moons more powerful now so Woodie's curse isn't a curse anymore, he has full control and can now turn into 2 other random wacky Canadian forms.... also felt lame. The shorts claim they are supposed to tell each character's story, but they don't at all. While Willow, Winona, and Warly's shorts were far from perfect at explaining where the characters came from, they were far better than the latest animations, in my opinion. No trailer except Winona's has shown that character getting sucked into the constant, which is also disappointing. This is just my opinion, I would have preferred if we went down the more interesting.... and yes, darker... road with Woodie, a nice story makes a character much easier to relate to and sympathize with. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113035-some-thoughts-on-wurt-woodie-and-general-character-lore/#findComment-1277005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeklo Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Just now, Crimson Chin said: This is just my opinion, I would have preferred if we went down the more interesting.... and yes, darker... road with Woodie, a nice story makes a character much easier to relate to and sympathize with. The lack of lore in the shorts is a different problem entirely. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113035-some-thoughts-on-wurt-woodie-and-general-character-lore/#findComment-1277008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Chin Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, Zeklo said: The lack of lore in the shorts is a different problem entirely. Isn't that related to this since Woodie's rework didn't have a story besides that one line about the moon? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113035-some-thoughts-on-wurt-woodie-and-general-character-lore/#findComment-1277011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeklo Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Just now, Crimson Chin said: Isn't that related to this since Woodie's rework didn't have a story besides that one line about the moon? Your initial comment seemed more concerned with the new direction of Woodie's themeing—which is fine for the reasons stated above. That is to say my response was in relation to that. It is a shame we didn't get any lore either way, tragic or not. I'd like to get the lore from the animatic itself not the description. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113035-some-thoughts-on-wurt-woodie-and-general-character-lore/#findComment-1277012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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