Willow Refresh Info and Roadmap Schedule Update

[Dynamix_Roxx]

1 hour ago, Rellimarual said:

So even when the new content is ready to go out in the less proprietary format of PC, you want its release to be delayed for however long it takes for the update to be processed through the red tape of every single minority-used proprietary console format? You want to force vast majority of players to wait for Sony or whichever megacorporation to get around to approving it, even when those players deliberately chose not to shackle their own gaming experience to Sony? 

Yeah, can’t see that going over well, but why not make a poll?

That’s exactly what I want. I’d like to see all players receive the content at the same time. Amazing, isn’t it?

How do you even know you’re waiting if they don’t announce a date? You’re waiting the same way we are. I’d love to see a poll, I don’t think many console players even visit the forums though.

 

[FreyaMaluk]

9 hours ago, Nikki Darks said:

#1 On the topic of fire immunity, . <3 

R A N T  O V E R 

Ok.. So.. your only addition after than kinda long rant is that she gets fire immunity... That's it? 

I don't think fire immunity is gonna make her good per se. 

She is not helping the other survivors with that perk. she needs other perks that build her up on a level of relevance among other players... Even with fire immunity.. Why would anyone pick her for it? 

I think that's the question that we should be answering. 

[Osbalop]

Explosives would be a cool way for Willow to help her team

[Nikki Darks]

20 minutes ago, FreyaMaluk said:

Ok.. So.. your only addition after than kinda long rant is that she gets fire immunity... That's it? 

I don't think fire immunity is gonna make her good per se. 

She is not helping the other survivors with that perk. she needs other perks that build her up on a level of relevance among other players... Even with fire immunity.. Why would anyone pick her for it? 

I think that's the question that we should be answering. 

And I think you clearly didn't read anything. Wolfgang has a movement speed buff which only affects him, Woodie has his beard perk which only affects him, Wigfrid has her lifesteal and sanity heal perk which only affects her. No matter what game you're playing every character will have perks which affect them solely. 

And another point on you not reading anything I've written; I didn't talk about WIllow being good, but fun. I guess you're not a Willow main so you wouldn't understand. 

On your statement on picking her for fire immunity. You NEVER pick a character solely for one perk. You don't pick Wicker ONLY for her science boost, you don't pick Wolfgang ONLY for his extra speed and you DON'T pick Wigfrid ONLY for her lifesteal.

End of my second rant, so to say.

[Raspberry Shake]

Klei: announces anything

 

Literally everyone, before even seeing the content ingame: REEEEEEEEEEEE

[cookiirookii]

46 minutes ago, FreyaMaluk said:

Ok.. So.. your only addition after than kinda long rant is that she gets fire immunity... That's it? 

I don't think fire immunity is gonna make her good per se. 

She is not helping the other survivors with that perk. she needs other perks that build her up on a level of relevance among other players... Even with fire immunity.. Why would anyone pick her for it? 

I think that's the question that we should be answering. 

Fire immunity can actually be used for quite a few things, in fact we even already have it in the game in the form of scalemail. (And no, scaled armour doesn't negate the fact that willow automatically can't have fire immunity, that's like removing Wigfrid's health perk because of the existence of the bat-bat, or removing Wortox's soul hop ability because the lazy explorer exists.) This fire immunity could be used for a range of things, such as the likes of:

- Making the dragonfly fight easier, same with Klaus, get some scales for your team, etc.

- Helping Willow gain heat and sanity without having to worry about existing near a burning object for too long, use lava pools to regenerate sanity.

- Negate fire damage from such as the likes of Fire Hounds, Lavae, etc.

- Switch between your lighter/weapon to run down any flammable larger-pool health mobs in DST, give them hell. (Ones that won't instantly die, of course.)

Of course, like Nikki mentioned in his second rant, this perk alone wouldn't work, and willow's other perks do help with that. And likewise, having fire immunity back can just be fun, people can come up with unique ways to utilise it, and if this combines with some of the other minor perks Joe mentioned, then even more can be achieved, and like it has been said before, fire immunity does not equal griefing, anyone is capable of picking up two twigs and two grass and setting your alchemy engine ablaze.

[FreyaMaluk]

3 hours ago, Nikki Darks said:

And I think you clearly didn't read anything. Wolfgang has a movement speed buff which only affects him, Woodie has his beard perk which only affects him, Wigfrid has her lifesteal and sanity heal perk which only affects her. No matter what game you're playing every character will have perks which affect them solely. 

And another point on you not reading anything I've written; I didn't talk about WIllow being good, but fun. I guess you're not a Willow main so you wouldn't understand. 

On your statement on picking her for fire immunity. You NEVER pick a character solely for one perk. You don't pick Wicker ONLY for her science boost, you don't pick Wolfgang ONLY for his extra speed and you DON'T pick Wigfrid ONLY for her lifesteal.

End of my second rant, so to say.

OH I did read it. 

U alluded to fun and "fantasy" .. Which I understand.. Not making decisions about griefing.. 

Look even if she gets this... There needs to be more to elevate her.. 

More outside fire.. That's my take on it.. And that's why I suggested myself am idea for craftables that can also benefit the group. 

It's cool the fantasy but in a multiplayer game.. She needs more perks useful for the group.. Outside fire 

3 hours ago, R00KIE said:

Fire immunity can actually be used for quite a few things, in fact we even already have it in the game in the form of scalemail. (And no, scaled armour doesn't negate the fact that willow automatically can't have fire immunity, that's like removing Wigfrid's health perk because of the existence of the bat-bat, or removing Wortox's soul hop ability because the lazy explorer exists.) This fire immunity could be used for a range of things, such as the likes of:

- Making the dragonfly fight easier, same with Klaus, get some scales for your team, etc.

- Helping Willow gain heat and sanity without having to worry about existing near a burning object for too long, use lava pools to regenerate sanity.

- Negate fire damage from such as the likes of Fire Hounds, Lavae, etc.

- Switch between your lighter/weapon to run down any flammable larger-pool health mobs in DST, give them hell. (Ones that won't instantly die, of course.)

Of course, like Nikki mentioned in his second rant, this perk alone wouldn't work, and willow's other perks do help with that. And likewise, having fire immunity back can just be fun, people can come up with unique ways to utilise it, and if this combines with some of the other minor perks Joe mentioned, then even more can be achieved, and like it has been said before, fire immunity does not equal griefing, anyone is capable of picking up two twigs and two grass and setting your alchemy engine ablaze.

Dfly and fire no eye deer can be dealt with regardless of her immunity.. This is again a bit of a misconception.. 

Enraged Dfly? Panflute..BTW.. Even if Willow has immunity there.. The main problem is her enraged dmg.. Not only to her but to the team... Larvae? Walls.. Playing with other people, you don't want to deal with larvae with the whole group anyways. Fire eye deer? In multiplayer fight.. Standing for a few seconds there is not a huge issue specially cuz you don't seek to stand next to the deers in the first place cuz they melee u and the fire circles can be completely avoided by moving through the fire eye deer side while it is casting the fire or freezing the fire deer, which is the sensible way when u play in a large group unless all Willows xD. I mean these aren't things that are gonna make Willow better at all.. She can already do this stuff or don't really combine well for the multiplayer experience .. 

She will have 6 seconds of fire immunity.. U can even do this rn with 3 seconds U can kill a lot of hounds with 6 seconds fire immunity. 

The fire + attacking while burning tactic will be improved with 6 seconds too.. And she can do this even now.. Just not for that long.. 

My problem with fire immunity mainly outside of the whole griefing is this and I've seen it many times already from other Willow's threads: people asking for fire immunity also want that loot from mobs dying by fire don't turn into ash and tbh that's just nonsense. She doesn't even has that in DS

She likes to see things burn.. She has countless quotes alluding her fascination with burning items and wanting specifically to see things burn to ash (edit) 

Eye Bone (ashes)- "I bet that eye thing was quite a sight wreathed in fire!"

Glommer's Flower (ashes)- "I wish I saw the way that weird flower burned."

Ashes- "Leftovers from a fire. I wish it was still here."

Ashes of item- "I wish this thing was still burning, whatever it was."

she doesn't care about the item really .. she cares about that it's not still burning xD

If you want to be immune then accept the consequences of playing with fire... Making her magically not burn loot cuz reasons is from a lore standpoint total bs. 

And for sanity u can use burning ropes + balloons or ice staff. That gives tons of sanity even now with 3 seconds. 

Even less of a problem with Bernie.. 

Look.. I get that fire immunity is fun... I'm not goona oppose it if klei puts that back (kindly reminder this was in multiplayer before and was taken out)... I get that flashing things are cool. 

But I also want to play her moving past the fire thing.. And giving something useful that builds her up to the level of cooperation of other characters like max or Winona. 

[PuffinBy]

"Willow can hold her Burney."

This is like a dream come true.

[Rellimarual]

3 hours ago, Dynamix_Roxx said:

That’s exactly what I want. I’d like to see all players receive the content at the same time. Amazing, isn’t it?

How do you even know you’re waiting if they don’t announce a date? You’re waiting the same way we are. I’d love to see a poll, I don’t think many console players even visit the forums though.

We could all wait weeks longer than we have to for the new content or you could just play on PC. There is literally no reason why PC players should have to pay for a choice they didn’t make.

[Stonetribe]

2 hours ago, FreyaMaluk said:

My problem with fire immunity mainly outside of the whole griefing is this and I've seen it many times already from other Willow's threads: people asking for fire immunity also want that loot from mobs dying by fire don't turn into ash and tbh that's just nonsense. She doesn't even has that in DS

She likes to see things burn.. She has countless quotes alluding her fascination with burning items and wanting specifically to see things burn to ash.

If you want to be immune then accept the consequences of playing with fire... Making her magically not burn loot cuz reasons is from a lore standpoint total bs. 

I really don't see why Willow can't both enjoy burning stuff and getting useful loot at the same time, it's a win win scenario. I guess I can't specifically vouch for pyros since I'm not one myself, but I think it's more the actual fire and burning part that they like, not the ashes afterwards. Any fondness of ash probably comes from being associated with fire, not the ashes themselves. I decided to search through her quotes on the wiki, and I could only find a single quote where she specifically says she wants to burn something to ashes.

[FreyaMaluk]

18 minutes ago, Stonetribe said:

I really don't see why Willow can't both enjoy burning stuff and getting useful loot at the same time, it's a win win scenario. I guess I can't specifically vouch for pyros since I'm not one myself, but I think it's more the actual fire and burning part that they like, not the ashes afterwards. Any fondness of ash probably comes from being associated with fire, not the ashes themselves. I decided to search through her quotes on the wiki, and I could only find a single quote where she specifically says she wants to burn something to ashes.

Eye Bone (ashes)- "I bet that eye thing was quite a sight wreathed in fire!"

Glommer's Flower (ashes)- "I wish I saw the way that weird flower burned."

Ashes- "Leftovers from a fire. I wish it was still here."

Ashes of item- "I wish this thing was still burning, whatever it was."

 

she talks about ashes saying she wants to see the process of burning that happened before the ashes.. soo

again.. if you look at her quotes.. she has a lot of them saying she likes to see things burn.. she talks about ashes as a shame that it's not burning anymore... she doesn't care about the item really .. she cares about that it's not burning still xD

[Ali Bun]

I just want the mega update... and the new trailer. But I can wait, I kinda figured the team would need more time because of the silence as the up coming date approached. I personally do think that these changes were okay, not bad not good just okay. Giving her complete immunity can make interesting game play ,but its a bit unnecessary so yeah. I can totally see using the 6 seconds for the fire Gem deer during Klaus fight though.

[Stonetribe]

21 minutes ago, FreyaMaluk said:

Eye Bone (ashes)- "I bet that eye thing was quite a sight wreathed in fire!"

Glommer's Flower (ashes)- "I wish I saw the way that weird flower burned."

Ashes- "Leftovers from a fire. I wish it was still here."

Ashes of item- "I wish this thing was still burning, whatever it was."

 

she talks about ashes saying she wants to see the process of burning that happened before the ashes.. soo

again.. if you look at her quotes.. she has a lot of them saying she likes to see things burn.. she talks about ashes as a shame that it's not burning anymore... she doesn't care about the item really .. she cares about that it's not burning still xD

Exactly, that's what I said. She likes the actual fire and burning part, ashes are just the aftermath. There's no doubt that she doesn't like seeing stuff burn, and if she can get useful stuff in the process, then it's a win win! Also, there's nothing stopping her from setting loot on fire after the mob they dropped from is gone. ^_^

[FreyaMaluk]

15 minutes ago, Stonetribe said:

Exactly, that's what I said. She likes the actual fire and burning part, ashes are just the aftermath. There's no doubt that she doesn't like seeing stuff burn, and if she can get useful stuff in the process, then it's a win win! Also, there's nothing stopping her from setting loot on fire after the mob they dropped from is gone. ^_^

not exactly... again she doesn't care what is burning... as long as it's burning... if she kills by fire loot should burn.. that was even in normal ds

let's say she kills bearger using fire.. why the should the loot don't turn to ash? cuz... reasons?? again--- 

Ashes of item- "I wish this thing was still burning, whatever it was."

WHATEVER  IT WAS

[blacknight7890]

Good lord, people are still arguing about the fire immunity? If you all think it's that damn good, then just get scalemail. It's literally the same thing, and anyone can wear it. Just wear it as Willow and all those "cool fun things" y'all say she should be able to do can be done.

In fact, let's go down some of the suggestions I have seen and try to find what scalemail can do for you without Willow full immunity to fire.

"Reasons" that Willow should be fully immune again:

• Make bosses and enemies that use fire easier to fight: Scalemail can do that.
• Protecting yourself when using fire in combat: Scalemail can do that.
• Gaining a lot of sanity as Willow very quickly: Scalemail can do that.
• Running through forest fires with ease: Scalemail can do that.
• Anything within 100 square miles of relation to fire damage: Scalemail can do that.

And if getting the scales are that hard, then Willow has this very special perk unique to her that makes the fight easier, even without a lot of prep. In the upcoming rework, Willow will get a special perk that can help you greatly, this unique perk makes her completely immune to fire for several seconds when exposed to flame and you will take far less damage from fire after the timer is up. With this unique and balanced perk, you will have a much easier time dealing with the fire as Willow than any other character, and should be able to get those scales much easier than any other character. Luckily you won't be exposed to the flame long enough that your immunity runs out, and even if it does, you will take far less damage than others would, which is compounded with the time you took no damage at all, adding up to a conclusion that the fire in the fight is almost a non issue. All you need is enough defensive, offensive, and healing items to beat the boss, and the scales are as good as yours. With them you can do all the things you all wanted to use the immunity for as Willow.

 Hell, she can do all the things listed above even without the current rework. Yes, everything you all want her immunity for can be done right now in the most recent released version of the game, and even long before that, with scalemail. 

So please stop arguing about it, because you can do all the things you all desperately want to do, so long as you are able to kill one boss, that is available year round, and can be cheesed to hell and back. I hope that's not too much to ask from you all.

tl;dr: Use Scalemail.

[Stonetribe]

18 minutes ago, FreyaMaluk said:

not exactly... again she doesn't care what is burning... as long as it's burning... if she kills by fire loot should burn.. that was even in normal ds

let's say she kills bearger using fire.. why the should the loot don't turn to ash? cuz... reasons?? again--- 

Ashes of item- "I wish this thing was still burning, whatever it was."

WHATEVER  IT WAS

Well like we discussed in the other thread, it's not like Willow burns every single thing she possibly can. I'm sure that in her perfect world she would, but the Constant is pretty much the opposite of a paradise. As much as she loves to burn stuff, I think that it's safe to say that she enjoys living as well and that it's probably just a little higher on her priority list. And considering what sort of a place that the constant is, every little bit helps.

As for exactly how she'd be able to kill a mob with fire while keeping the loot in tact, the best explanation that I can come up with is that over the course of her pyro career, she's learned how to light fires in such a way that she can predict how it spreads and keep certain things in tact while burning the rest at the same time. It's far from a full proof explanation, but I mean this is a game with literal magic and monsters so how she accomplishes it doesn't really have to be entirely logical. I mean heck she's already resistant to fire and has a teddy bear that that comes to life when folks are losing their minds, being able to kill something with fire without all of it burning to ash would probably be her most logical skill.

[FreyaMaluk]

4 minutes ago, Stonetribe said:

Well like we discussed in the other thread, it's not like Willow burns every single thing she possibly can. I'm sure that in her perfect world she would, but the Constant is pretty much the opposite of a paradise. As much as she loves to burn stuff, I think that it's safe to say that she enjoys living as well and that it's probably just a little higher on her priority list. And considering what sort of a place that the constant is, every little bit helps.

As for exactly how she'd be able to kill a mob with fire while keeping the loot in tact, the best explanation that I can come up with is that over the course of her pyro career, she's learned how to light fires in such a way that she can predict how it spreads and keep certain things in tact while burning the rest at the same time. It's far from a full proof explanation, but I mean this is a game with literal magic and monsters so how she accomplishes it doesn't really have to be entirely logical. I mean heck she's already resistant to fire and has a teddy bear that that comes to life when folks are losing their minds, being able to kill something with fire without all of it burning to ash would probably be her most logical skill.

Sorry but this is speculation. 

4 hours ago, Osbalop said:

Explosives would be a cool way for Willow to help her team

Sure.. To get killed by them xD

[Stonetribe]

Just now, FreyaMaluk said:

Sorry but this is speculation. 

True, but it still makes sense doesn't it? That Willow would rather live and continue setting plenty of fires rather than set fires non-stop even when it's starting to kill her.

[FreyaMaluk]

Just now, Stonetribe said:

True, but it still makes sense doesn't it? That Willow would rather live and continue setting plenty of fires rather than set fires non-stop even when it's starting to kill her.

No it doesn't.. Logic for her isn't that logic for Wicker. Or Max .. She clearly doesn't care what burns whatever it is.. Other characters might find that horrible... Specially woodie.. But that not Willow.. Sorry

[blacknight7890]

1 minute ago, Stonetribe said:

True, but it still makes sense doesn't it? That Willow would rather live and continue setting plenty of fires rather than set fires non-stop even when it's starting to kill her.

Yes but she isn't a fire bender. how do you kill something by burning it without it suffering the effects of being burned? Even by Don't Starve magic, it's still illogical.

[Stonetribe]

1 minute ago, FreyaMaluk said:

No it doesn't.. Logic for her isn't that logic for Wicker. Or Max .. She clearly doesn't care what burns whatever it is.. Other characters might find that horrible... Specially woodie.. But that not Willow.. Sorry

I'm not saying that she's picky about what she burns, I'm sure that she'll gladly burn anything. That doesn't mean she would burn every single thing in sight though, because before long she would die that way. Do you really think that she's so insane that she doesn't care about actually surviving at all?

[FreyaMaluk]

23 minutes ago, Stonetribe said:

I'm not saying that she's picky about what she burns, I'm sure that she'll gladly burn anything. That doesn't mean she would burn every single thing in sight though, because before long she would die that way. Do you really think that she's so insane that she doesn't care about actually surviving at all?

 

47 minutes ago, Stonetribe said:

. It's far from a full proof explanation,

 

1 hour ago, FreyaMaluk said:

 Ashes of item- "I wish this thing was still burning, whatever it was."

WHATEVER  IT WAS

 

[Stonetribe]

4 hours ago, FreyaMaluk said:

 

 

 

You're taking that out of context. When I said it's far from a full proof explanation, I was talking about the actual process of killing a mob with fire while keeping the loot from turning into ashes. But I do think that Willow preferring to stay alive and keep setting fires than setting fire to every single thing and getting herself killed wouldn't be such a hard thing to believe.

 

Edit: Sorry, I should have used the @ thing instead of trying to quote a quote

[Stonetribe]

1 hour ago, blacknight7890 said:

Yes but she isn't a fire bender. how do you kill something by burning it without it suffering the effects of being burned? Even by Don't Starve magic, it's still illogical.

I didn't say it was magic in my explanation, I was just saying that this is a game and logic is already stretched awfully far even in the more mundane things. We also have a walking cane that makes you move faster, a rain coat that requires bones, and a rock that can retain enough heat to keep you from freezing in the dead of winter without any other warm clothing.

[Masked_Misery]

I suddenly realized. I just want to point out that this "refresh" turns Willow into an alternate Wendy. Willow's lesser perks are almost all forgettable and don't actually effect her main gameplay. The only significant change is Bernie is now a combat companion.

So Willow's gimmick is now the same as Wendy's, just slightly different. Willow's gimmick is now also similar to Winona's, as their main feature is that they can make things that are interesting instead of they themselves being interesting. So that's three characters who themselves are not interesting, but have companions/objects that are interesting.

Variety.