Cytrynozaur Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 (edited) Ooo, I haven't played in a while, but this new character looks interesting. I need to try them out. Edited February 9, 2019 by Cytrynozaur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deerclops Mika Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeW Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 Ultimately we felt Warbucks was both culturally problematic and not also very interesting to play so we decided to start over. We understand some people may like aspects of him, and perhaps we will bring some of those aspects back one day. In the meantime, we've decided to move on. In general, we throw away a lot of our work in order to make something we're happy with, but generally that's before it gets released even in Beta. All the appropriate files are still in the game in his 'retired' state and he can be played through mods, by design. 11 7 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkylordElberich Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, JoeW said: Ultimately we felt Warbucks was both culturally problematic and not also very interesting to play so we decided to start over. We understand some people may like aspects of him, and perhaps we will bring some of those aspects back one day. In the meantime, we've decided to move on. In general, we throw away a lot of our work in order to make something we're happy with, but generally that's before it gets released even in Beta. All the appropriate files are still in the game in his 'retired' state and he can be played through mods, by design. I can't thank you, not for this... but, it is refreshing to finally hear Klei speak on the matter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeW Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 Just now, SkylordElberich said: I can't thank you, not for this... but, it is refreshing to finally hear Klei speak on the matter. If you think about it like this, it's not like we enjoy scrapping our work. But we do it all the time. It's part of the creative process. We do very much try to avoid inconveniencing the players with this process, but it happens. We've had, what 5 or 6 different characters in the DS universe that were scrapped so far? I don't recall. It might do us some good some time to kind of peel back the curtain a bit about how iterative we are as a studio. But we're always so busy that gets a tough. But, thanks for the feedback. 8 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izuku_Midoriya Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, JoeW said: If you think about it like this, it's not like we enjoy scrapping our work. But we do it all the time. It's part of the creative process. We do very much try to avoid inconveniencing the players with this process, but it happens. We've had, what 5 or 6 different characters in the DS universe that were scrapped so far? I don't recall. It might do us some good some time to kind of peel back the curtain a bit about how iterative we are as a studio. But we're always so busy that gets a tough. But, thanks for the feedback. That’s not the same as gutting an entire character you already released that people enjoyed. Your inability to make him “interesting” by your standards doesn’t mean you should just say “welp, bye bye!” the trailers and banners including him still are basically false advertising at this point. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandvichSpy Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 13 minutes ago, JoeW said: If you think about it like this, it's not like we enjoy scrapping our work. But we do it all the time. It's part of the creative process. We do very much try to avoid inconveniencing the players with this process, but it happens. We've had, what 5 or 6 different characters in the DS universe that were scrapped so far? I don't recall. It might do us some good some time to kind of peel back the curtain a bit about how iterative we are as a studio. But we're always so busy that gets a tough. But, thanks for the feedback. A shame to be honest as I believe Warbucks would have been a fine character if he had gotten a proper backstory/perk rework. He didn't have to be culturally problematic yet he was written that way. Why do Walani and Winona both being arguably uninteresting characters to play get a pass (With Winona even getting a rework down the line) while the Ol' chap gets thrown to the trash. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izuku_Midoriya Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 1 minute ago, SandvichSpy said: A shame to be honest as I believe Warbucks would have been a fine character if he had gotten a proper backstory/perk rework. He didn't have to be culturally problematic yet he was written that way. Why do Walani and Winona both being arguably uninteresting characters to play get a pass (With Winona even getting a rework down the line) while the Ol' chap gets thrown to the trash. Probably because Walani is universally loved and Winona is lore important 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeNniX Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 It's there any news regarding future update of Hamlet or early access? What comes next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeW Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 9 minutes ago, FeNniX said: It's there any news regarding future update of Hamlet or early access? What comes next? We're going to have a new roadmap post coming up soon for Hamlet Early Access. 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minespatch Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 3 hours ago, Rellimarual said: DS also doesn’t include Werther, the fun-loving Nazi, or Wizard, the satirical KKK leader, but that doesn’t make Klei Holocaust deniers or Civil Rights revaunchists. Er... Maybe if Klei was doing a Don't Starve style mod of "I have no mouth and I must scream"? 40 minutes ago, JoeW said: We've had, what 5 or 6 different characters in the DS universe that were scrapped so far? I don't recall. It might do us some good some time to kind of peel back the curtain a bit about how iterative we are as a studio. But we're always so busy that gets a tough. But, thanks for the feedback. Thanks so much, sheriff Joe(not being sarcastic, you really are one to me). You brought the peace once again with a calm and leveled explanation. Maybe those scrapped characters can be in the background of Griftlands if that ever happens. Again, thanks for being such a great dev and miod! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeW Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 21 minutes ago, SandvichSpy said: A shame to be honest as I believe Warbucks would have been a fine character if he had gotten a proper backstory/perk rework. He didn't have to be culturally problematic yet he was written that way. Why do Walani and Winona both being arguably uninteresting characters to play get a pass (With Winona even getting a rework down the line) while the Ol' chap gets thrown to the trash. Walani and the other SW characters are in a released game that does not have an active team working on it and there would be a lot of work involved in rebalancing her. Winona is in a game that already has consistent changes and would not come as a severe shock to people to be rebalanced. 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izuku_Midoriya Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 Just now, JoeW said: Walani and the other SW characters are in a released game that does not have an active team working on it and there would be a lot of work involved in rebalancing her. Winona is in a game that already has consistent changes and would not come as a severe shock to people to be rebalanced. And yet you let Walani stay update after update in her unbalanced form and gut Warbucks without so much as trying? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Szczuku Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Izuku_Midoriya said: And yet you let Walani stay update after update in her unbalanced form and gut Warbucks without so much as trying? 3 minutes ago, JoeW said: Walani and the other SW characters are in a released game that does not have an active team working on it and there would be a lot of work involved in rebalancing her. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkylordElberich Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Izuku_Midoriya said: And yet you let Walani stay update after update in her unbalanced form and gut Warbucks without so much as trying? I think what Joe's trying to get at is that they did try. Anyways, too late now. Pack up, kid, dream's dead. Gotta let it go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izuku_Midoriya Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, SkylordElberich said: I think what Joe's trying to get at is that they did try. Anyways, too late now. Pack up, kid, dream's dead. Gotta let it go. If they really won’t add him back, I want a refund tbh. I bought the DLC mostly because I thought he looked enjoyable to play. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seero Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 8 minutes ago, JoeW said: Walani and the other SW characters are in a released game that does not have an active team working on it and there would be a lot of work involved in rebalancing her. Winona is in a game that already has consistent changes and would not come as a severe shock to people to be rebalanced. Hey, speaking of rebalances is WX going to be rebalanced? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandvichSpy Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, JoeW said: Walani and the other SW characters are in a released game that does not have an active team working on it and there would be a lot of work involved in rebalancing her. Winona is in a game that already has consistent changes and would not come as a severe shock to people to be rebalanced. Yeah, I figured as much. Thanks for putting and end to all this madness tho, I'll be looking forward for the future of Hamlet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkylordElberich Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 Just now, SuperDavid said: Warbucks may have been abandoned by Klei, but he will not be abandoned by us true dedicated fans. So, do not worry my fellow Warbucks supporters I'm sure there will be a modder one day who will make Warbucks better than Klei ever could and give him what he truly deserved, but for now let us let him rest in peace until such a day comes. ...There already is, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkylordElberich Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 Just now, SuperDavid said: I mean as in making him not boring to play as, not just making him playable again. Oh. Right. Yeah, one can only hope. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 guys, anyone ever mentioned, that name Warbucks itself is kinda edgy? like, war+bucks, making money on weaponized conflicts, eh?.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 1 minute ago, SuperDavid said: I'm guessing it's because he was originally supposed to be a big game hunter and he loves money is where the name came from. I would like to see a real war between him with an army of robots and pig society 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minespatch Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 17 minutes ago, Dalek said: ike, war+bucks, making money on weaponized conflicts, eh?. Big UNCLE Warbucks? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukanur Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 no offense 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ucw Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 @JoeW Serious question: What about the trailers? Will you re-do them? I'm just curious. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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