blash365 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 I hate to be the person making this post and i hope that you (klei) are already aware of it. With the release of the Space Industry Update the normal release schedule was changed from 4+2 weeks to 5+3 weeks to concentrate more on polishing - and most likely to create some breathing space for DS: Hamlet and MotN: Remastered to be released out. This is all good and fine by me. You delivered solid work so far and i concur with your roadmap. However it is pretty noticable that the Space Industry Update has quite a few instabilities in it. The game crashes alot more often than it used to. There are quite a few quirks when it comes to rockets (you want your pilot back? nope!). And some stuff is not even usable without sandbox (e.g. Super Coolant). However hotfixes stopped being released almost 3 weeks ago. I know it is a pain in the ass to maintain several branches of software, but with the changed update schedule, we have at least 1 more week to go for a preview release and another 3 (!) weeks to go for the live release. So while some of us might get the benefit of bug fixes (which i suspect are already implemented) in the next week, quite a few might not even play the preview. Delaying the needed fixes for them for another 3 weeks. I am not sure how the others feel about it, but it seems like a stretch for me. I started struggling with crashes ~2 weeks ago and have been waiting for a hotfix since. Now i am at a point where i am completely blocked by several bugs. I would love to continue playing, but there are just too many bumps on the road to enjoy it at the moment. And i am sure others are in a similar situation. I am hoping that the current reluctance of releasing hotfixes will revert back to the "old days", when we would get updates until the live version was stable enough to make it to the next preview build. Disclaimer: I write this all with the deepest respect for the development team. This EA has truly been a joy to participate in and the current difficulties can hardly make a dent in what was already accomplished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oozinator Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 1 hour ago, blash365 said: .. I am not sure how the others feel about it,.. similar.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitroturtle Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 1 hour ago, blash365 said: some stuff is not even usable without sandbox (e.g. Super Coolant). Not that I disagree.. but what's this all about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blash365 Posted November 16, 2018 Author Share Posted November 16, 2018 20 minutes ago, Oozinator said: similar.. Sorry, didnt see that poll. I think klei deserves a bit more text though.;) 13 minutes ago, Nitroturtle said: Not that I disagree.. but what's this all about? What do you mean? What is super coolant all about and why doesnt it work? or What am i (blash) all about when referring to stuff that is only halfway included? Subtext: i should be happy with stuff being forshadowed so that it can be fleshed out better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 19 minutes ago, Nitroturtle said: Not that I disagree.. but what's this all about? The game currently feels abandoned and has felt so for some weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitroturtle Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Sorry, I meant specifically the text I quoted. You stated that super coolant cannot be used outside sandbox mode, which is 100% false and I'm not sure where the claim originated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 I agree with @Nitroturtle super coolant is avalable without sandbox so it's odd you used that as an example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blash365 Posted November 16, 2018 Author Share Posted November 16, 2018 13 minutes ago, Nitroturtle said: Sorry, I meant specifically the text I quoted. You stated that super coolant cannot be used outside sandbox mode, which is 100% false and I'm not sure where the claim originated. 9 minutes ago, Neotuck said: I agree with @Nitroturtle super coolant is avalable without sandbox so it's odd you used that as an example I thought we need mercury for that and its not available at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 1 minute ago, blash365 said: I thought we need mercury for that and its not available at the moment. I never heard that before, where did you get that info? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitroturtle Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 1 minute ago, blash365 said: I thought we need mercury for that and its not available at the moment. It does not require mercury. I have like 7 tons of it in my current playthrough, no debug/sandbox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 1 minute ago, blash365 said: I thought we need mercury for that and its not available at the moment. I think that was only in the preview Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blash365 Posted November 16, 2018 Author Share Posted November 16, 2018 I read it on the interweb and it made sense, cause my molecular forge doesnt show me the super coolant recipe. So which ingredient am i missing then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordAizen Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 13 minutes ago, blash365 said: So which ingredient am i missing then? Fullerene. usually available in one of the 10k planets. Forge recipe also requires petroleum if i remember correctly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blash365 Posted November 16, 2018 Author Share Posted November 16, 2018 Just now, LordAizen said: Fullerene. usually available in one of the 10k planets. Forge recipe also requires petroleum if i remember correctly I have fullerene already. Still no recipe. I think fullerene + petroleum is visco-gel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordAizen Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Just now, blash365 said: I have fullerene already. Still no recipe. Do you have bottleable petroleum? or some of it in bottles? the dupes may need to deliver it to the forge for the recipe to become available? still weird though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SakuraKoi Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, blash365 said: I read it on the interweb The best of all sources... So to actually have up-to-date info in one place (might as well update the wikii), Mol-Fo Recipes are: Niobium->Thermium = 5 kg Niobium +95 kg Tungsten => 100 kg Thermium Isoresin->Visco Gel = 35 kg Isoresin + 65 kg Petroleum => 100 kg Visco Gel Fullerene to Super Coolant = 1 kg Fulelrene + 49.5 kg Gold + 49.5 kg Petroleum => 100 kg Super Coolant Isoresin to Insulator = 15kg Isoresin + 80 kg Abyssalite + 5 kg (units) Reed Fiber => 100 kg Insulator by the by, Thermium to Niobium = 100kg Thermium => 100 kg Niobium (Metal Refinery) or 50kg Niobium + 50kg Sand (Rock Granulator) All hail debug mode-sama! And regarding the topic: Impatience is NG. Even while I have my rockets error the game, this is EA and the schedule is already set and kept. Asking for more is just greedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blash365 Posted November 16, 2018 Author Share Posted November 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, SakuraKoi said: Fullerene to Super Coolant = 1 kg Fulelrene + 49.5 kg Gold + 49.5 kg Petroleum => 100 kg Super Coolant Then this is definitely bugged for me. I have all those elements and no super collant recipe. 2 minutes ago, SakuraKoi said: And regarding the topic: Impatience is NG. Even while I have my rockets error the game, this is EA and the schedule is already set and kept. Asking for more is just greedy. I am not asking for more. I was patient. But after 3 weeks without a patch for crashes it has to be able to raise the topic. I think i made it pretty clear that i understand that there are other projects in the pipeline. But the bugs are starting to lock down the game. I have an astronaut who hasnt left his rocket for 600 cycles, because the game crashes when he leaves the rocket (by whichever mean i could think of). Every few times i start/land/use a rocket or when i wrangle a shove vole or drecko, the game crashes. Whenever i click my rocket, it loses all its fuel and drops it to the ground. My rocket is so heavy that it can no longer take off,because it gets 2700 kg oxylite instead of the marked 500 kg. I cannot produce super coolant (as mentioned above). My SPOMs do not work without external power because of random gas deletion. This is just the most prominent stuff. And in my opinion CtDs should always be hotfixed if there is more than a week towards the next release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 17 minutes ago, blash365 said: Then this is definitely bugged for me. I have all those elements and no super collant recipe. do you have a pitcher pump in petroleum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blash365 Posted November 16, 2018 Author Share Posted November 16, 2018 Just now, Neotuck said: do you have a pitcher pump in petroleum? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemie Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 rockets are still very buggy so waiting for 8 weeks for a fix there kind of sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariilyn Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 19 minutes ago, blash365 said: Then this is definitely bugged for me. I have all those elements and no super collant recipe. Quote Are all these ingredients accessible for delivery to the molecular forge? For example, is fullerene sitting in a conveyor receptacle that does not allow for manual use? Is there a pitcher pump that can bottle up petroleum ? Nvm it was already asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 I seem to remember steal production was buggy for some players too when it was first added, sometimes the recipe didn't show up even with all 3 ingredients Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blash365 Posted November 16, 2018 Author Share Posted November 16, 2018 Ok, this one is actually on me. I didnt refine any gold yet. i got the super coolant recipe now. Thanks everybody! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasza22 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 I expected them to hotfix the rocket related crashes and adress the buggy behaviour when loading a game with rockets in space. This is pretty gamebreaking for somebody who doesn`t know how to avoid it happening. It can break you a 1000 cycle save if you don`t have a backup. Well i guess the casual player won`t get to rockets before the next patch hits if he started a new game with Space Industry. I just hope the most gamebreaking bugs will get fixed with the next patch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goboking Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 I suspect most of the developers working on ONI have been reassigned to other projects and the skeleton crew left behind won't be able to bang out hotfixes as often as they used to. We'll find out next Thursday how much of their time they're allocating to expanding upon existing systems and how much of it they're dedicating to polish, bug fixes, and balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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